UKMT August 2019 - we (UK) should simply invade Ireland peacefully

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Ms Adequate: Oct 30, 2011; Baby even when I'm dead and gone
You will always be my only one, my only one
When the night is calling
No matter who I become
You will always be my only one, my only one, my only one
When the night is calling

ShaneMacGowansTeeth posted:

lol no

https://twitter.com/LamentablyAwake/status/1161767378704900097

We won't support Corbyn because he can't command a majority because we won't support Corbyn because he can't command a majority because we...

Also "Corbyn can't get a majority in the Commons without a GE, but we don't want to support a GE so that the arithmetic changes".

Lol that the LDs were trying so hard to reclaim credibility and get some new seats, and now are showing they'll happily ensure a no deal if the alternative is Corbyn. Then again they're so untrustworthy that maybe this should be interpreted as a full throated commitment to a Corbyn government. :clegg:

# ? Aug 15, 2019 07:42

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# ? May 25, 2024 12:38

Vlex: Aug 4, 2006; I'd rather be a climbing ape than a big titty angel.

Watch all the centrists start sweating and tugging their collars over No Deal versus anti-Semitic Corbyn. This will be a thing.

# ? Aug 15, 2019 07:52

Aphex-: Jan 29, 2006; Dinosaur Gum

They'll still blame him whatever happens. It'll always be his fault and there's nothing you can do to change their minds about that.

# ? Aug 15, 2019 07:55

Guavanaut: Nov 27, 2009; Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998; Toilet Rascal

Samovar posted:

"A nonsense"?

That's what Prince Andrew's butler is called now.

# ? Aug 15, 2019 07:58

AceOfFlames: Oct 9, 2012

Azza Bamboo posted:

I think you're all overthinking it. We can't have a serious discussion because we're not entirely serious beings. We have an emotional, perhaps even animal, element to us that needs to be acknowledged and utilised.

Tired: look how sensible my policies are.
Wired: guillotine kills the capitalists.

Just think how easy it is to derail a smart conversation with chest beating and memes vs how it is to try and get someone hellbent on shitposting to have an opinion. Yes on a "civilised" level it's morally wrong but this isn't ethics class, it's how to get as many apes as possible to get off their rear end and put a pencil cross in a box.

And this is why our species is doomed.

# ? Aug 15, 2019 08:04

Rumda: Nov 4, 2009; Moth Lesbian Comrade

Julio Cruz posted:

yeah the person not promoting fat-shaming is definitely the disgusting one

Regardless of anything else your are an annoying gently caress oval office.

# ? Aug 15, 2019 08:04

Jaeluni Asjil: Apr 18, 2018; Sorry I thought you were a landlord when I gave you your old avatar!

https://dorseteye.com/i-wonder-how-many-labour-members-after-reading-this-report-will-still-think-watson-belongs-in-the-labour-party/

quote:

I wonder how many Labour members, after reading this report, will still think Watson belongs in the Labour Party?

As this was an extensive study covering Watson�s record over a period of 2 decades, I�ve taken the liberty of condensing it down to all the examples where he�s either voted against, or abstained from voting for, Labour policies. From my findings, this approximates to about 30% of all votes.

Key areas of deviance�

� Frequently abstains on funding & support for public services and social care
� Frequently abstains on proposals to combat violence against women
� Appears not to support Women�s equality issues
� Abstained on proposals to write off child support arrears
� Abstained from supporting measures to address the concerns of WASPI women
� Repeatedly demonstrates a lack of support for Trade Unions
� Supports foreign wars
� Does not supporting investigations into illegal wars
� Does not support favouring jobs for public sector operators
� Does not support refugee family reunion and abstained to support refugee children being brought over on the Dubs scheme
� Abstained on most matters concerning Tax Avoidance & proposals to investigate banking industries
� Generally abstains on proposals to increase taxes on banks
� Abstained from supporting an increase in central government finance for councils.
� Abstained on a proposal to increase taxation of Private Finance Initiative Companies deemed to be making Excess Profits
� Tends to abstain on most measures to address inequalities experience by people with different levels of income or who belong to a minority grouping.
� Abstains on proposals to investigate Real Estate Investment Trusts
� Frequently abstains on any proposals to increase tax on high income earners.
� Abstains on bills that�s aim to address serious issues concerning mental health patients
� Abstained on a vote to reverse reductions to the work allowance element of universal credit and employment & support allowance
� Abstained on a motion calling on the Government to reverse its decision to cut tax credits
� Abstained on a proposal to increase certain benefits, payments and tax credits so that they would be in line with inflation.
� Demonstrates a lack of interest in attempts to reform the Health and Social Care act or in attempts to reveal the effect of outsourcing and privatisation in the NHS.
� Abstains on proposals to produce reports on the sufficiency of social care funding or even to call on MPs to reflect official treasury spending statistics when making public statements on health spending.
� Didn�t support allowing Clinical Commissioning Groups having an input in arrangements offered by health service providers.
� Abstained on a vote to drop the 2012 Health and Social Care Bill
� Abstains on a significant number of Brexit motions including a number that outline post Brexit arrangements with (and regulation of) financial services organisations, employment rights, investment fund regulation and UK Immigration Controls for EU Citizens for example.
� Watson did not vote to remain in the EU during the parliamentary vote in June 2016
� Watson abstained from supporting restrictions on the Ivory trade.
� He consistently avoids voting on any proposal to bring in taxation and other remedial measures that would benefit British businesses
� He consistently avoids voting on any proposals to tackle dodgy Landlords and abstains from voting on any measures that could address homelessness and rough sleeping.
� He recently abstained from supporting a bill that required UK secondary legislation to extend same-sex marriage to Northern Ireland.
� Watson also abstained on a vote to ban MPs Holding Paid Directorships and Consultancies.

Full report below�

https://www.dropbox.com/%85/Watson%20v%20Corbyn%20differences%85

Koser Saeed

# ? Aug 15, 2019 08:34

Jedit: Dec 10, 2011; Proudly supporting vanilla legends 1994-2014

Jaeluni Asjil posted:

https://dorseteye.com/i-wonder-how-many-labour-members-after-reading-this-report-will-still-think-watson-belongs-in-the-labour-party/

We already know that Corbyn keeps Watson around because he can hardly complain about someone not following the party line.

# ? Aug 15, 2019 08:39

Jaeluni Asjil: Apr 18, 2018; Sorry I thought you were a landlord when I gave you your old avatar!

Jedit posted:

We already know that Corbyn keeps Watson around because he can hardly complain about someone not following the party line.

Corbyn followed the party line over 85% of the time. In the oft quoted time period where he voted against the whip about 500 times, he voted WITH it over 3100 times. (I did download all his votes for about 20 years and do the exact calculation a couple of years ago but have since lost the spreadsheet).

Ed. Also it's not within Corbyn's gift to get rid of Watson. There needs to be a formal challenge and a procedure involving a certain % of votes which I can't recall off hand - but similar to leadership challenges.

Jaeluni Asjil fucked around with this message at 08:48 on Aug 15, 2019

# ? Aug 15, 2019 08:46

Josef bugman: Nov 17, 2011; Pictured: Poster prepares to celebrate Holy Communion (probablY)

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It does seem odd how little Watson seems to do.

# ? Aug 15, 2019 08:57

NotJustANumber99: Feb 15, 2012; somehow that last av was even worse than your posting

Is he sort of what John Prescott used to be? Because there would be precedent for being not entirely politically congruent with the leadership of the party and also being visible but out of the way and doing nothing at the same time.

# ? Aug 15, 2019 09:01

Josef bugman: Nov 17, 2011; Pictured: Poster prepares to celebrate Holy Communion (probablY)

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NotJustANumber99 posted:

Is he sort of what John Prescott used to be? Because there would be precedent for being not entirely politically congruent with the leadership of the party and also being visible but out of the way and doing nothing at the same time.

I don't think Prescott was continually briefing against Blair (though I wish he had been)

# ? Aug 15, 2019 09:03

NotJustANumber99: Feb 15, 2012; somehow that last av was even worse than your posting

Yeah I suppose not.

# ? Aug 15, 2019 09:04

Jose: Jul 24, 2007; Adrian Chiles is a broadcaster and writer

Lol

https://twitter.com/alexwickham/status/1161912696062840832?s=19

# ? Aug 15, 2019 09:10

Drone_Fragger: May 9, 2007

Ms Adequate posted:

We won't support Corbyn because he can't command a majority because we won't support Corbyn because he can't command a majority because we...

Also "Corbyn can't get a majority in the Commons without a GE, but we don't want to support a GE so that the arithmetic changes".

Lol that the LDs were trying so hard to reclaim credibility and get some new seats, and now are showing they'll happily ensure a no deal if the alternative is Corbyn. Then again they're so untrustworthy that maybe this should be interpreted as a full throated commitment to a Corbyn government.

Lib dems are against a GE because they have like 10 MPs now who defected from other parties are are nearly certain to lose their seat next election.

# ? Aug 15, 2019 09:35

BizarroAzrael: Apr 6, 2006; "That must weigh heavily on your soul. Let me purge it for you."

It's like a dozen MPs, for all the noise they make getting the SNP is much more important.

Also;
https://twitter.com/TheTrashiesUK/status/1161892721986027521?s=19

I love you, byline monkey.

# ? Aug 15, 2019 09:36

Drone_Fragger: May 9, 2007

Josef bugman posted:

It does seem odd how little Watson seems to do.

He�s busy wasting police time by giving credence to the stories of a pedophile fantasists while also peering through history trying to find times Corbyn said �Hitler was right � out loud rather than just in his head so that Tom Watson can personally solve the antisemitism crisis.

# ? Aug 15, 2019 09:38

radmonger: Jun 6, 2011

Drone_Fragger posted:

He�s busy wasting police time by giving credence to the stories of a pedophile fantasists

Not sure that�s the hill you want to die on right now.

# ? Aug 15, 2019 09:44

Jakabite: Jul 31, 2010

God I wish the Lib Dems would just gently caress off. They're just so... Annoying. In a way that even the lunatic fringe of the Brexit camp just aren't. I'd genuinely rather go for a drink with a kipper than a lib dem. Ugh

# ? Aug 15, 2019 09:45

Filboid Studge: Oct 1, 2010; And while they debated the matter among themselves, Conradin made himself another piece of toast.

I don�t want to reignite nonsense, but Julio, you need to step away from the vampire castle, big time.

# ? Aug 15, 2019 09:50

CGI Stardust: Nov 7, 2010; Brexit is but a door,
election time is but a window.

I'll be back

Josef bugman posted:

It does seem odd how little Watson seems to do.

This is violence against gamers, the true oppressed class

# ? Aug 15, 2019 09:51

Vlex: Aug 4, 2006; I'd rather be a climbing ape than a big titty angel.

Jakabite posted:

God I wish the Lib Dems would just gently caress off. They're just so... Annoying. In a way that even the lunatic fringe of the Brexit camp just aren't. I'd genuinely rather go for a drink with a kipper than a lib dem. Ugh

Not sure about that last one, champ.

# ? Aug 15, 2019 09:58

Gonzo McFee: Jun 19, 2010

It's a nonsense premise anyway, Lib Dems don't go to pubs. They have dinner parties where they can talk about how they "didn't like Thatcher but she saved the country" without getting glassed.

# ? Aug 15, 2019 10:04

Samovar: Jun 4, 2011; I'm 😤 not a 🦸🏻‍♂️hero...🧜🏻

Jakabite posted:

God I wish the Lib Dems would just gently caress off. They're just so... Annoying. In a way that even the lunatic fringe of the Brexit camp just aren't. I'd genuinely rather go for a drink with a kipper than a lib dem. Ugh

Me too.

If only so one could accidentally do a Socrates with their drink.

# ? Aug 15, 2019 10:06

Aphex-: Jan 29, 2006; Dinosaur Gum

https://twitter.com/EmmaKennedy/status/1161902442247852032?s=19

Hahahahaha

# ? Aug 15, 2019 10:09

Gonzo McFee: Jun 19, 2010

https://twitter.com/Anna_Soubry/status/1161752950571708416

lol they forgot the CUKs.

# ? Aug 15, 2019 10:10

BizarroAzrael: Apr 6, 2006; "That must weigh heavily on your soul. Let me purge it for you."

https://twitter.com/Orwell_Fan/status/1161924659459371009?s=19

# ? Aug 15, 2019 10:15

StarkingBarfish: Jun 25, 2006; Novus Ordo Seclorum

Gonzo McFee posted:

https://twitter.com/Anna_Soubry/status/1161752950571708416

lol they forgot the CUKs.

'forgot'

# ? Aug 15, 2019 10:24

HJB: Feb 16, 2011; I can't get enough of are Dan

The feeling when I see things like this and realise my brain is irreparably broken.

# ? Aug 15, 2019 10:25

Sanitary Naptime: May 29, 2006; MIWK!

StarkingBarfish posted:

'forgot'

Imagine forgetting about Miwky Mike Gapes

# ? Aug 15, 2019 10:27

StarkingBarfish: Jun 25, 2006; Novus Ordo Seclorum

Apraxin posted:

https://mobile.twitter.com/BrandyLJensen/status/1161767206956490752
https://mobile.twitter.com/Arron_banks/status/1161755511148208129
Just saying it would be really funny and cool if this child i don�t like died, now the humourless lefties are attacking me.

It wasn't a very good joke since yachting accidents often happen in june

# ? Aug 15, 2019 10:28

Jose: Jul 24, 2007; Adrian Chiles is a broadcaster and writer

Lmao the us is trying to block the release of the Iranian tanker we seized

# ? Aug 15, 2019 10:30

Superterranean: May 3, 2005; after we lit this one, nothing was ever the same

Samovar posted:

Me too.

If only so one could accidentally do a Socrates with their drink.

Luv too wish death on political opponents

# ? Aug 15, 2019 10:31

XMNN: Apr 26, 2008; I am incredibly stupid

same, it's cathartic and let's be honest they deserve it

# ? Aug 15, 2019 10:34

NotJustANumber99: Feb 15, 2012; somehow that last av was even worse than your posting

Are we talking about the little girl on the boat?

# ? Aug 15, 2019 10:36

feedmegin: Jul 30, 2008

StarkingBarfish posted:

It wasn't a very good joke since yachting accidents often happen in june

'Accidents'

# ? Aug 15, 2019 10:36

Jakabite: Jul 31, 2010

Vlex posted:

Not sure about that last one, champ.

Kippers are probably worse people but they're not quite as irritating as Lib Dems

# ? Aug 15, 2019 10:37

Drone_Fragger: May 9, 2007

radmonger posted:

Not sure that�s the hill you want to die on right now.

I mean, politicians are not elected to, and it�s not their job to, involve themselves with criminal investigations. Regardless of the guys claims and later eventual guilt due to his own crimes, it�s the police job to investigate and determine the credibility of the claims... not Tom Watson.

# ? Aug 15, 2019 10:39

Vlex: Aug 4, 2006; I'd rather be a climbing ape than a big titty angel.

Jakabite posted:

Kippers are probably worse people but they're not quite as irritating as Lib Dems

I'm still not with you on this one, but then I'm a brash and outspoken person IRL, so I (metaphorically) bowl over your average chino-and-fleece wearing LD. Brexiteers I'm far more likely to get into a shouting match with, and despite my personality, I'm actually conflict-averse.

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# ? May 25, 2024 12:38

CancerCakes: Jan 10, 2006

Vlex posted:

I'm still not with you on this one, but then I'm a brash and outspoken person IRL, so I (metaphorically) bowl over your average chino-and-fleece wearing LD. Brexiteers I'm far more likely to get into a shouting match with, and despite my personality, I'm actually conflict-averse.

My my aren't you a little pixie dream girl - brash and outspoken and conflict averse?

For a lot of people brexiteers are family members who they do go to the pub and have a drink with, who agree that there are problems but disagree on causes and solutions. While LD voters are elites who want status quo at all costs

# ? Aug 15, 2019 10:54

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