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^burtle posted:Imagine being this invested in Gwenpool. Yeah, very cringe to like a character a lot For shame, Site, you have lost subscriber
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site posted:wasnt it just last page that you told someone they were wrong for not liking art you liked No, maybe try reading it again. I said I disagreed and liked it and then said sorry it wasn't that person's cup of tea. I didn't tell them they were weird for not liking it. I'm not sure why you think it's weird that someone might not be totally into something that's a bit more out there as a concept like Gwenpool. I've also always said that Hastings is a really good writer and I'm glad that people liked the book but that it wasn't for me. The only one that was being weird about anything was you with that comment.
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Aug 15, 2019 18:58
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site posted:i mean, theres that whole scene where she creates one so large it literally pushes her out of a window in hastings run. but like i said, if leah didnt intend to mean it that way , then ill eat being wrong on that. i dont know why else was she would point it out though I took it to mean that she can see them, and she knows the readers of the comic can see them, so she's embarrassed even if she will never interact with the readers. Which would probably be pretty funny or endearing if not for her purposefully acting wacky and meme-like. I think she's supposed to come off as trying too hard because it's part of her attempt to remain entertaining and relevant. Problem is, it has the same pitfalls as a writer trying too hard, so many of the jokes come off more annoying than funny. I don't know. I may give it another issue to see where the story is going, but I'm leaning towards dropping it.
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Aug 15, 2019 18:59
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glitchwraith posted:I took it to mean that she can see them, and she knows the readers of the comic can see them, so she's embarrassed even if she will never interact with the readers. yeah, i can go with that X-O posted:I'm not sure why you think it's weird that someone might not be totally into something that's a bit more out there as a concept like Gwenpool. sooo we're just pretending you didnt say this quote:I don't know about the jokes and language but pulling out a photo like a looney tunes character seems like something that would be part of her whole ridiculous meta powerset which is why I originally disliked the character which lead to my original statement yeah? okay just checking
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Aug 15, 2019 19:06
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site posted:yeah, i can go with that What are you even talking about at this point site?
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Aug 15, 2019 19:10
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If you're going to tell others to read correctly, you could at least do the same yourself because she didn't say it was weird that you disliked the character but that you make assumptions about her despite not having read the full comic.
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Aug 15, 2019 19:17
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^burtle posted:Imagine being this invested in Gwenpool. I too am invested but at this point I think I've accepted that nothing will match the original series (in my mind). I'm not mad, I'm just disappointed.
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Aug 15, 2019 19:22
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Roth posted:If you're going to tell others to read correctly, you could at least do the same yourself because she didn't say it was weird that you disliked the character but that you make assumptions about her despite not having read the full comic. Saying that I'm "consistently weird" about Gwenpool is not the same as just saying I don't understand how her power works. And I do know how her powers work. I'm not going off assumptions or guesses. I know how her power works because I've seen all the dozens of pages posted here and elsewhere that shows how her powers work. If she can literally walk between the panels of a her book, skip to the end of issues, throw characters off the page, know all the secret identities of the superheroes she comes across, fight her evil future storyline self, and see her own cancellation issue before it happens then I don't see how producing a picture out of thin air is something that would be out of the reach for someone with powers she's exhibited. I even said I can't speak for if the language or meme jokes were in character because all I know of Gwenpool's personality is what I saw in West Coast Avengers. Saying I know how her character was written would be an assumption on my part and is something I've never said. I've always said my issue with Gwenpool was the scope of her powers and how they functioned.
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Aug 15, 2019 19:34
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Soonmot posted:Wait, did you think her intrusive thought bubbles were visible to the other characters? I get where your coming from, but I'm pretty sure those bubbles are just visible to her and distracting her. I also agree with Archy, that this isn't as good as Hastings, but nothing will be. It was still enjoyable to me. I'd love to see Ryan North take a shot at writing her, I think some of the bottom-page gags in Squirrel-Girl have the right kind of playfulness about the form and I think he does a pretty good job writing believable college students (much like Wilson with Kamala Khan, I think he gets away with it by having Doreen be kind of a square-- endearing but a little out of step with her peers, which means there's less impetus to be super timely with the lingo and diction)
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Aug 15, 2019 19:37
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^burtle posted:Imagine being this invested in Gwenpool. I guess with D_T and american Dracula gone somebody had to step up to the plate.
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Aug 15, 2019 19:38
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This is getting pretty weird.
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Mr Hootington posted:I guess with D_T and american Dracula gone somebody had to step up to the plate. This was uncalled for.
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Mr Hootington posted:I guess with D_T and american Dracula gone somebody had to step up to the plate. Please don't compare anyone posting here to those gross assholes.
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Mr Hootington posted:I guess with D_T and american Dracula gone somebody had to step up to the plate. I don't think it's really the same thing. Hastings' Gwenpool was a really unique and fun book, and I think it's pretty reasonable that a fan of it would be disappointed when subsequent takes on the character succeed at some things but drop the ball on other important aspects of the main character. I think we all cathect onto certain characters and want to see them written the way we like-- eg. Squirrel Girl is undeniably one of the best books Marvel puts out but I remain vaguely cranky at how North wrote Taskmaster one time. It's a part of fandom that in most cases is totally healthy. I think it's the nature of the internet for things to escalate quickly and for tone to be read as pretty heated, but I don't think site's fondness for Gwenpool as she was written in her first series is at all weird or extreme, especially not in the way D_T and Dracula's personal fancies were extreme. Also site is from every interaction I've had with her a good and pleasant person whereas D_T was a homophobic rape fantasist and american dracula was some kind of lab-grown experiment to make the worst posts at the loudest volume, the main problem with them was far from being attached to particular characters, even if the Red Hood poo poo got extremely old. How Wonderful! fucked around with this message at 19:48 on Aug 15, 2019 |
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Aug 15, 2019 19:45
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Speaking of Red Hood, Punisher Kill Krew is the best kind of Punisher story
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Roth posted:Speaking of Red Hood, Punisher Kill Krew is the best kind of Punisher story He gets his dick kicked in by a child?
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Aug 15, 2019 19:51
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I have been informed there is some confusion. ^burtle is the bad guy in my post.
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Aug 15, 2019 19:52
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Archyduchess posted:He gets his dick kicked in by a child? No, but he does blow up a tree monster. Just make Frank Castle into the Doomguy from now on.
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Mr Hootington posted:I have been informed there is some confusion. ^burtle is the bad guy in my post. I guess that makes more sense because that comment was unwarranted. But it was very unclear. It looked more like you were agreeing with that comment. And even then as useless as that comment was it doesn't put that person on the level of of actual assholes who have been banned from this forum.
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Aug 15, 2019 20:05
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For me, what I loved most about Hastings' Gwenpool was Gwen's development. She's from the real world so she started as someone who just wanted to stand out and get paid. She also didn't care about harming or even killing mooks so others found her and her 4th wall jokes completely bizarre. But despite coming across as LOLRandom Deadpool to others, she's really just an ordinary person. And the more she spent time in 616, the more she got invested in the friends she made in her book. Her not taking things seriously had her gently caress up and caused her friends some trouble and that leads to her growing as a person. Hastings' book was more of a character study and the 4th wall jokes and powers are just one part of Gwen. It just sucks that that's what other writers seem to lean on when they're writing her.
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Aug 15, 2019 20:12
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Yeah I can completely understand all of the depth being wiped out as being annoying. I felt the same way about Deadpool when Daniel Way took over for Fabian Nicieza and when Skottie Young took over for Gerry Duggan. When a writer really comes on and gives a full three dimensional life to what some consider a joke character it's hard to go back to a two dimensional gimmick. I liked Gwenpool in WCA but yeah she was about as deep as a sheet of paper in that book which is a shame for those of you that really love the original run.
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amigolupus posted:For me, what I loved most about Hastings' Gwenpool was Gwen's development. She's from the real world so she started as someone who just wanted to stand out and get paid. She also didn't care about harming or even killing mooks so others found her and her 4th wall jokes completely bizarre. But despite coming across as LOLRandom Deadpool to others, she's really just an ordinary person. And the more she spent time in 616, the more she got invested in the friends she made in her book. Her not taking things seriously had her gently caress up and caused her friends some trouble and that leads to her growing as a person. 
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Hot Take time: I dislike Gwenpool and that's just as fine as people who like her.
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I haven't read Williams' Gwenpool but having read a bunch of her previous work in the X-Men area of Marvel, those panels strike me as the editorial equivalent of "Again, but louder and with your mouth more open"
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Having finally had the chance to read the new Gwenpool, yeah, it comes off as extremely frenetic and try hard in those first few pages, so I can see where people would be put off. I'll give it another issue because I like the character, but iffy start so far. In more positive news, I did really like the second issue of Loki.
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Archyduchess posted:I don't think it's really the same thing. Hastings' Gwenpool was a really unique and fun book, and I think it's pretty reasonable that a fan of it would be disappointed when subsequent takes on the character succeed at some things but drop the ball on other important aspects of the main character. I think we all cathect onto certain characters and want to see them written the way we like-- eg. Squirrel Girl is undeniably one of the best books Marvel puts out but I remain vaguely cranky at how North wrote Taskmaster one time. It's a part of fandom that in most cases is totally healthy. All of this. I'm not mad at Site for not liking the book, I'm not trying to convince her that she's wrong, I'm just putting out another opinion to get people to read it. Something I would never had done with all the weird poo poo DT got up to. Being invested in characters is good and cool. site posted:ironheart with the shuri teamup is real good too Oh hell yes, it was, very fun and I loved the initial frostiness. howe_sam posted:
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https://twitter.com/rainbowrowell/status/1163926926584623105?s=19
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So Doombot is taking over the Runaways and turning them into full on superheroes? I'm in.
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I made the mistake of reading the comments on this and woof. Anyway new sorta runaways looks ok.
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Chase looking like some sort of refugee from the 90's is pretty great.
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So I don't think I knew before today that Marvel brought Captain America into the MU before Avengers #4.. Strange Tales #114  He's actually The Acrobat posing as Cap in order to commit crimes, but it was published as a tryout to see if people wanted Captain America to join the MU for real. (as I understand it, the Timely/Atlas comics that predated Marvel and Fantastic Four #1 weren't technically part of the Marvel Universe at first, though eventually tons of it was later retconned in)  The origin of Johnny's famous catchphrase, "Nobody scoops mud up at The Human Torch!":  An amazing temper tantrum. Also.. why does his girlfriend Doris have such long legs?? 
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Aug 21, 2019 04:53
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That's Jim Hammond, he killed Hitler. Edit: I guess not, I just assumed.
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Skwirl posted:That's Jim Hammond, he killed Hitler. To be fair, I assume Jim Hammond also does not like having mud scooped up at him
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X-O posted:So Doombot is taking over the Runaways and turning them into full on superheroes? I'm in. Apparently it’s Doctor Justice, one of the Secret Warps fusions?
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It certainly could be, though that would be an especially weird pull given that Doctor Justice and Doc Justice don't really have similar costumes, and Doctor Justice isn't even technically from the Secret Warps Soul Gem universe, but from a neighboring one that merged Squadron Supreme and New Universe characters as part of the Secret Warps mash-up of the Incursion and like five other events. I'm still leaning toward the Doombot finding his own way, since DC has taught us that the opposite of Doom is Justice.
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The Newsarama article says he's a pre-existing Los Angeles superhero that Karolina gets the team a job working with.
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Blockhouse posted:The Newsarama article says he's a pre-existing Los Angeles superhero that Karolina gets the team a job working with. Hawkeye? (either one)
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Quick, where is Zemo these days?
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TwoPair posted:Quick, where is Zemo these days? Being hunted by Castle, I think.
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