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The easiest way to tell that the opposition is acting in bad faith by boycotting national elections is that they'll still participate in local elections.
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Fast Luck posted:Here's Juan Guaido, who declared himself president and demanded elections within 30 days, taking a strong stance... against holding elections! "as we're not acknowledged by the outside world" What the gently caress? Does he mean outside world as in "outside his own party structure" or "outside Venezuela (the international community)". Cause if it's the latter then lol
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Fast Luck posted:Here's Juan Guaido, who declared himself president and demanded elections within 30 days, taking a strong stance... against holding elections! poo poo like this was the breaking point for me assuming any good faith out of the pro-coup opposition. flat out telling election observers not to watch doesn’t help them at all unless they knew they’d lose fairly. the “we don’t want to validate this fixed election” argument doesn’t make sense. the election somehow simultaneously so corrupt there’s no point running but also impossible for outside election observers to notice?
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30.5 Days posted:I actually think it'd be really funny if they let guaido come back and campaign unmolested, but he never would because he knows he'd lose. he was allowed to go back and hold protests and nothing happened to him
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uninterrupted posted:poo poo like this was the breaking point for me assuming any good faith out of the pro-coup opposition. flat out telling election observers not to watch doesn’t help them at all unless they knew they’d lose fairly. venezuelan goons keep insisting that they were all banned from taking part so the observers don't matter
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Jose posted:venezuelan goons keep insisting that they were all banned from taking part so the observers don't matter Weren't only a few candidates banned because they took part in a coup attempt?
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Aug 15, 2019 21:08
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Captain Billy Pissboy posted:Weren't only a few candidates banned because they took part in a coup attempt? a handful of others didn’t register on time/tripped on some other procedural rule I think
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uninterrupted posted:a handful of others didn’t register on time/tripped on some other procedural rule I think didn't bother collecting signatures that they had to as a result of boycotting an earlier election
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30.5 Days posted:I actually think it'd be really funny if they let guaido come back and campaign unmolested, but he never would because he knows he'd lose. that just goes to show the election was rigged
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Aug 15, 2019 22:05
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Venezuela elections: about as rigged as America lol
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Lightning Knight posted:Venezuela elections: about as rigged as America lol They are probably 90% rigged but I doubt they are 99% like USA
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Aug 16, 2019 00:15
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Corky Romanovsky posted:The current price fixing scheme seems to have been around since the mid 90s at the least. It may be an unfortunate case if not thinking outside the box, and/or the thought of alternatives had conflicts with different schemes in other parts of the economy. They could have implemented some insane means testing... the US was literally paying farmers to destroy food during the great depression during a mass hunger crisis lol maduro is already doing what he should be doing which is to literally deliver food directly to people who need it to try to prevent subversion from private capitalists who want to see poor people starve to death to result in maduro's overthrow
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Aug 16, 2019 01:00
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Tollymain posted:lmao importing thread drama 536 posts in this thread bitch
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like it is beyond parody. the onion cannot satire it. the AP is literally writing articles on how maduro giving people food who need food during a food crisis as evil dictator control it's why showing private grocery stores stocked full of food that poor people cannot access because they do not have the money is important and contrary to the AP narrative
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Tollymain posted:lmao
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If a political figure gains mass support by helping provide for the material needs of peoples it's bribery or oppression. The US is a true democracy because citizens get to choose between political parties who do not promise to improve people's lives.
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buying peoples' votes by promising them stuff is undemocratic. true democracy is buying the politicians
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comedyblissoption posted:buying peoples' votes by promising them stuff is undemocratic. true democracy is buying the politicians Or buying foreign armies to install those politicians.
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Aug 16, 2019 03:15
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536 posted:They are probably 90% rigged but I doubt they are 99% like USA Lol at even you accepting this they had a right meltdown when I said the us is basically the same as Venezuela
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Aug 16, 2019 10:05
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Posting as part of the unironic cspam maduro caucus
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cspam is well known for being the most serious subforum of all subfora
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they have to cloak everything they say in layers and layers of bullshit to not be immediately pegged for the revolting ghouls they are what a tiresome way to live
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Salean posted:Posting as part of the unironic cspam maduro caucus
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Aug 16, 2019 23:03
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Salean posted:Posting as part of the unironic cspam maduro caucus
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Salean posted:Posting as part of the unironic cspam maduro empanada pocket fanclub
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Aug 16, 2019 23:07
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See, maduro working with the Russians and Chinese is the same as guaido selling mineral rights and enacting devastating austerity.
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Aug 16, 2019 23:08
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has guaido even passed his ghoulish amnesty law yet?
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Aug 16, 2019 23:09
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uninterrupted posted:has guaido even passed his ghoulish amnesty law yet? Guaido cannot pass laws in Venezuela because he is not the legitimate ruler.
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Aug 16, 2019 23:13
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the only thing Juan can really do is legitimize stuff the US has already done
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Aug 16, 2019 23:14
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Fiend posted:Guaido cannot pass laws in Venezuela because he is not the legitimate ruler. yeah but he’s still (I think?) head of the NA and was trying to push through blanket amnesty for basically anything the military or individual soldiers have done as long as they support guaido https://www.yahoo.com/news/guaido-amnesty-venezuelan-army-stalls-110000257.html
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an anonymous source has informed me that maduro posts on something awful, and if you empty quote this post for 5 pages he will bestow the sword of bolivar upon c-spam
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Aug 16, 2019 23:21
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Corky Romanovsky posted:See, maduro working with the Russians and Chinese is the same as guaido selling mineral rights and enacting devastating austerity.
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*venezuela sells oil for decades with a nationalized oil company* drat they don't understand how to properly drill for oil they really need to hand it over to people who do - john bolton, totally not salivating with a raging hard-on
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Aug 16, 2019 23:29
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Salean posted:Posting as part of the unironic cspam maduro caucus 
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uninterrupted posted:yeah but he’s still (I think?) head of the NA and was trying to push through blanket amnesty for basically anything the military or individual soldiers have done as long as they support guaido oh i have a simple answer for that one too: the NA is not a legitimate legislative body
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Condiv posted:an anonymous source has informed me that maduro posts on something awful, and if you empty quote this post for 5 pages he will bestow the sword of bolivar upon c-spam Stay safe bolivar's ghost
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Aug 17, 2019 03:19
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Condiv posted:an anonymous source has informed me that maduro posts on something awful, and if you empty quote this post for 5 pages he will bestow the sword of bolivar upon c-spam *opens mouth excitedly and extends hand to Oh, to be blumenthal for a day.
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uninterrupted posted:yeah but he’s still (I think?) head of the NA and was trying to push through blanket amnesty for basically anything the military or individual soldiers have done as long as they support guaido They only ever "promised" amnesty. No effort has been made to pass any laws.
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536 posted:*opens mouth excitedly and extends hand to Did Max Blumenthal steal your girlfriend?
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