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Sab669 posted:I've always loved Ogre Magi, long before he was good/popular and now while watching games this morning I just learned Multicast effects items since I last played -- HOLY poo poo that's amazing. Midas is a trap, multicasting Guardian Greaves is for big-brain players.
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Cuntellectual posted:Yeah. To add to that, note some of the best carries: Juggernaut (spins people to death), Naga Siren (her illusions are insanely good for contesting farm and trading), Ursa/Slark (can be very deadly to trade hits from early on). Slark is maybe the worst laner in the game. He is just garbage against a lot of matchups and gets frozen out by competent opponents
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Aug 15, 2019 22:33
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In brief: OoV, regen, support items You like aggressive carries/offlaners like MK, CK, or Ursa Don't buy midas You want to right click whoever you're laning against when they have ignite on them, but be careful to not upset the lane equilibrium too much.
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Aug 15, 2019 22:37
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RazzleDazzleHour posted:Midas is a trap, multicasting Guardian Greaves is for big-brain players. I think if you do the math it says "always buy Midas".
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Aug 15, 2019 22:42
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Sab669 posted:I've always loved Ogre Magi, long before he was good/popular and now while watching games this morning I just learned Multicast effects items since I last played -- HOLY poo poo that's amazing. I usually play him pos4 and bully lane and try to rush brown boots to Midas, then arcanes and dagon/euls/atos. If I want to play him more responsibly, I'd probably go arcane into euls/atos and essentially be done. Shield + tangos + mangos still seems to be the opening play. Maybe grab an armor ring quickly too, as you could work an urn into either of those builds.
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Aug 16, 2019 00:09
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brown boots midas force hex is best
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Aug 16, 2019 03:46
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RazzleDazzleHour posted:Midas is a trap, multicasting Guardian Greaves is for big-brain players. I know you don't get multiple hp heals out of this, but you do get the mana. Does it do the self dispel x times every .5s or whatever?
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Aug 16, 2019 03:55
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Glory to Italia!
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ILL Machina posted:I know you don't get multiple hp heals out of this, but you do get the mana. Does it do the self dispel x times every .5s or whatever? Self dispel is only on the active https://dota2.gamepedia.com/Guardian_Greaves
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Lady Galaga posted:Self dispel is only on the active https://dota2.gamepedia.com/Guardian_Greaves Yes... We're talking about multicast with gg boots, friend. You can't stack the mek and/or gg hp heal and I'm wondering if the dispel applies more than once. ILL Machina fucked around with this message at 05:09 on Aug 16, 2019 |
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Aug 16, 2019 05:06
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90% sure they cant be multi cast? as it procs from offensive cd's e: in fact im 100% sure it doesn't multicast wtf are you on about queef anxiety fucked around with this message at 05:20 on Aug 16, 2019 |
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Aug 16, 2019 05:15
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ILL Machina posted:Yes... We're talking about multicast with gg boots, friend. You can't stack the mek and/or gg hp heal and I'm wondering if the dispel applies more than once. The dispel would only apply to yourself, but since the active effect that restores mana is tied to the dispel, and you mentioned you can multicast the mana restoration part, maybe there is a chance of multi casting the dispel component unless it has been specifically coded to avoid that affect, but it's a very niche situation.
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queef anxiety posted:90% sure they cant be multi cast? as it procs from offensive cd's Yah, I was quoting someone else who might've just been trolling. I could very well be dumb. Not sure how to set up multiple heroes in a demo or I'd test it. Console commands in a custom lobby with cheats on? Lady Galaga posted:...(if) you can multicast the mana restoration part, maybe there is a chance of multi casting the dispel component unless it has been specifically coded to avoid that affect, but it's a very niche situation. Yah this was what I was on about but it doesn't matter cause it's not targeted. Was thinking about it being similar to the rolling dispel that Oracle ult applied before 6.86. ILL Machina fucked around with this message at 05:34 on Aug 16, 2019 |
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Aug 16, 2019 05:28
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ILL Machina posted:Yah, I was quoting someone else who might've just been trolling. I could very well be dumb. Not sure how to set up multiple heroes in a demo or I'd test it. Console commands in a custom lobby with cheats on? https://dota2.gamepedia.com/Cheats#Cheat_Commands
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Sab669 posted:What items do you start with Midas, because for some reason multicast works on it. How much farm you have on Ogre is now based entirely on how lucky you are proccing multicast on Midas, which you rush as early as you can possibly get away with. Then if you get good procs you can afford to buy whatever stupid poo poo you want that'll work with multicast, like Hex or Orchid. I saw a dude buy an Abyssal Blade and a blink dagger and basically be Tidehunter. If you get unlucky and have no money then you just play old-style ogre. also multicast only applies to single target items that you're using on enemies and always works by casting them on different nearby targets. So you can't get a Shiva's and do 800 aoe damage, but you can get a Dagon and do 800 aoe damage, and you can't multicast Glimmer Cape on your whole team and be Discount Mirana.
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Aug 16, 2019 08:09
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However bloodthorn does work and its truly something to see
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All offensive, single-target items work. Solar Crest (enemy) Orchid Midas Nullifier Euls Sheepstick Dagon This excludes: Glimmer Lotus Orb Solar Crest (ally) Euls (self) Pipe Mek Greaves etc
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Aug 16, 2019 14:19
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Greaves Ogre has a 60%+ winrate and if that's not motivation enough to buy it I don't know what is
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If you buy Midas on ogre you are either A) so much better than the other team you might as well just go rapier first or B) completely retarded and lost the game by not buying an item that actually does something. (it's probably B) Scenario C is it's a reasonable buy, but that is so rare it's not even worth mentioning. If you're snowballing in farm with ogre, what you want is to buy items that will let you keep killing people. If you're a dota player chances are you spend enough time sitting around being useless in real life, you don't need to do it in the game too! Cuntellectual fucked around with this message at 20:37 on Aug 16, 2019 |
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Aug 16, 2019 20:35
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literally every ogre at TI is buying midas
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Aug 16, 2019 20:40
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Kild posted:literally every ogre at TI is buying midas Pro strats virtually never apply to pubs. The level of coordination, skill, etc. between an immortal pub and even a tier 2 pro team is vast enough that it's practically two different games. Like, back in the day some teams like Alliance would get things like Dagon 5 on CM because they're so efficient at getting resources out of the map that they can afford to do things like that. Even if you, personally, are that good at maximizing your farm, it's very rarely a good idea to do that because you need to take the rest of your team into consideration. Another example is meepo; I haven't seen any pro meepo games lately, but generally at that level supports are going to be on the ball to protect his jungle. At a lot of other levels, as a 4-5 you can just drop a sentry in every one of his camps and for six minutes he's not going to get any farm out of that.
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Cuntellectual posted:Pro strats virtually never apply to pubs. The level of coordination, skill, etc. between an immortal pub and even a tier 2 pro team is vast enough that it's practically two different games. this is a really bad post and im on mobile or id really explain why but dont be a goon hipster, just buy the ridiculously stupid efficient item that creates gold out of thin air on the ogre hero
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Midas is stronger on Ogre and he benefits a lot from both the xp and the gold. Pub games can definitely stall out sometimes, and in that case having his insane level 25 talent and some powerful multicasting items will massively increase your impact.
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The problem with getting midas on Ogre is that it has a really bad build-up, and unless you have someone on your team who is willing to go HARD 5, it's gonna constantly get delayed. Kild posted:literally every ogre at TI is buying midas Literally incorrect, it's a 50/50 pickup in pro games yesterday and the hero has lost several games buying midas and won several without it. The games where the ogre got midas are games where the Ogre absolutely pops off and can get the item really quickly (notable examples are one of OG's games, not even they get midas every game, and Alliance getting it in that first game vs Secret). If you can get it very very quickly it's good, sure, but that won't happen most games, especially when you need to pick up the slack on wards.
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The key to ogre midas first is to pick him along side a core like bloodseeker who wants the lane farm but is also good at farming the enemy leshrac/CM/insert squishy hero camp every minute. If you can get 5 kills or assists in 5 minutes its suddenly not stupid to rush. That said I'd still get soul ring and brown boots first
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Ambivalent posted:this is a really bad post and im on mobile or id really explain why but dont be a goon hipster, just buy the ridiculously stupid efficient item that creates gold out of thin air on the ogre hero I'm in tryhard tier, I am incapable of assesing dota in terms of what might be fun and only in what is effective. 
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I feel like Midas ogre’s pretty legit. It’s not too hard to meander into it even while solo buying wards and full-time supporting because he’s got a 90gpm talent at 10. As other posters mentioned, it’s really valuable for the experience, and let’s you scale quite dangerously into the midgame.
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DNK posted:I feel like Midas ogre’s pretty legit. It’s not too hard to meander into it even while solo buying wards and full-time supporting because he’s got a 90gpm talent at 10. ahhhhh don't get the GPM talent
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DNK posted:I feel like Midas ogre’s pretty legit. It’s not too hard to meander into it even while solo buying wards and full-time supporting because he’s got a 90gpm talent at 10. RazzleDazzleHour posted:ahhhhh don't get the GPM talent This. Also, Midas has the same pacing as things like blink, etc on heroes like Earthshaker. Except when you get it, you immediately get somewhere between 160 and 480 gold back, but gain nothing in team fight and you still don't have any mobility. I don't know the answer, as it's a real tossup if you ask me. If feel a lot better about it if I'm roaming and banking and look up and have 1200 gold banked because some core has been dragging me around running rough over supports and hard carries, but if that's happening, it feels like there's no wrong move.
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Don’t get GPM and don’t get Midas? What, you people hate money? 
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Cuntellectual posted:Pro strats virtually never apply to pubs. The level of coordination, skill, etc. between an immortal pub and even a tier 2 pro team is vast enough that it's practically two different games. while I agree with this I would not characterize "buying a midas" as a pro strat. it's just a thing you do on the hero because he gets like, at least double value out of it. If anything the lack of coordination on the other team makes it easier to get away with buying an item that does not actually do anything beyond give you gold, because they're less likely to recognize this and punish you for it and will most likely be very surprised when you convert that midas into a 15 minute hex stick and gently caress up their whole team with it.
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RazzleDazzleHour posted:Greaves Ogre has a 60%+ winrate and if that's not motivation enough to buy it I don't know what is Yea but Rapier Ogre has an 87% win rate  I can definitely understand both sides of the arguments for & against Ogre Midas though. I'll just have to play and give both a shot.
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Aug 17, 2019 12:13
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Does anyone actually play All Random?
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IronicDongz posted:Does anyone actually play All Random? Single draft is my favorite format.
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cock hero flux posted:while I agree with this I would not characterize "buying a midas" as a pro strat. it's just a thing you do on the hero because he gets like, at least double value out of it. If anything the lack of coordination on the other team makes it easier to get away with buying an item that does not actually do anything beyond give you gold, because they're less likely to recognize this and punish you for it and will most likely be very surprised when you convert that midas into a 15 minute hex stick and gently caress up their whole team with it. You might as well buy a dagon instead and just zap supports or something at that point.
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IronicDongz posted:Does anyone actually play All Random? these are truly dark times
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Dark Willow aghs is still insanely strong. I killed a Medusa that had a networth of like 50,000. I did take the attack speed talent but it's a little weird killing their position 1 & 2 at the 60min mark as pos 5.
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Related: willow is insanely OP in overthrow
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i aint played for a long time but willow was insanely op in general. the ghost thing kills everything instantly l;ol
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u see the ghost thing come out, then there's some kind of poo poo on the floor, then ur dead
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ElGroucho posted:wow very insightful i didn't think you were actually culpable for said lost lane until you said this lol ElGroucho posted:I am you shouldn't think like this if you actually want to win. at least 40% of your team will usually be complete gently caress-ups so it's generally bad to think "well i wasn't as bad as THIS dude". of course they're bad, you're supposed to carry them Minorkos fucked around with this message at 17:45 on Aug 18, 2019 |
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