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| Joe Biden, the Klansman |
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8 | 0.91% |
| Bernie Sanders, the Hand Flailer |
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578 | 65.76% |
| Elizabeth Warren, the Plan Maker |
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185 | 21.05% |
| Kamala Harris, the Cop Lord |
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| Cory Booker, the Super Hero Wannabe |
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| Julian Castro, the Twin |
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| Kirsten Gillibrand, the Franken Killer |
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| Pete Buttigieg, the Troop Sociopath |
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9 | 1.02% |
| Robert Francis O'Rourke, the Fake Latino |
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2 | 0.23% |
| Jay Inslee, the Climate Alarmist |
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4 | 0.46% |
| Marianne Williamson, the Crystal Queen |
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19 | 2.16% |
| Andrew Yang, the $1000 Fool |
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19 | 2.16% |
| Tulsi Gabbard, the Muslim Hater |
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8 | 0.91% |
| Amy Klobuchar, the Comb Enthusiast |
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1 | 0.11% |
| Just like in real life, nobody voted for Hickenlooper |
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2 | 0.23% |
| Jeffrey Epstein, the MCC Most Hated |
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9 | 1.02% |
| KKKillary KKKlinton |
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16 | 1.82% |
| Some other idiot not in this list |
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9 | 1.02% |
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Warren gave a standing ovation to Trump. Bernie didn't. If you really care about unseating Trump, what else is there to say? She's a Trump Democrat.
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eke out in one of the lovely trump threads posted:this thread is full of gangs of berniebros who want to punch clinton-voters, but only if they are women or PoC https://twitter.com/racismfactory/status/1098445846205661184?lang=en make sure you watch the whole thing eke out e: to whatever mod reads this after eke out reports it please understand this is a comedic way of calling him out for being a disingenuous liar Raskolnikov38 fucked around with this message at 15:51 on Aug 19, 2019 |
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Ghost Leviathan posted:Warren gave a standing ovation to Trump. Bernie didn't. If you really care about unseating Trump, what else is there to say? She's a Trump Democrat. yeah whenever someone asks why you're voting sanders over warren you just gotta post that pic.
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e: Not loving worth it; no one in here argues in good faith.
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Aug 19, 2019 15:51
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Fritz Coldcockin posted:Gee, I can't imagine why anyone supporting Warren in this thread might think y'all were arguing in bad faith when you say things like "Elizabeth Warren is a Trump Democrat". Well done. Why the gently caress else would she stand up and clap with a huge grin on her face for Donald Trump? Answer the question.
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Aug 19, 2019 15:52
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Groovelord Neato posted:it's comical that obama thought he could work with the gop when they fought tooth and nail against any regulation after the loving global economy collapsed. I still vividly remember in spring 2009 sitting in my car on the way home from work, David Brooks on All Things Considered saying, "it was a lack of regulation that got us into this. Now people want to use regulation to prevent it in the future. You can't use the same thing that caused something to happen to prevent it!" and the Very Serious Progressive interviewers treating this like some sort of profound logical insight. Then the next day they were interviewing someone from Obama's admin or Fed and brought this very soundbite up like they had summoned Economics Einstein, and the admin person endorsing the objection and using it as a point to pivot into a bunch of FUD about market regulation and talking about how we need to make sure the finance sector still had room to ~~innovate~~. I think that was the very moment I realized liberalism was facile garbage.
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Aug 19, 2019 15:54
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Tbf Warren has, at most, a half-smile in that pic. The one with the huge, poo poo-eating grin on their face is Tim Kaine. He's just so damned happy to be clapping for his president.
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Raskolnikov38 posted:make sure you watch the whole thing eke out you literally posted a joke i made two years ago in response to a person saying he was discriminated against for being a centrist? but you didn't link it bc in context it's far more obviously a joke surely you can try harder next time when you attempt to own me for old posts eke out fucked around with this message at 15:57 on Aug 19, 2019 |
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Raskolnikov38 posted:every senator sees a president looking at them in the mirror Same but it's Taft
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Fritz Coldcockin posted:*some nonsense about her only clapping for Rx drug prices* https://twitter.com/sunraysunray/status/1094740520994246663?lang=en
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eke out posted:you literally posted a joke i made two years ago in response to a person saying he was discriminated against for being a centrist? but you link it bc in context it's far more obviously a joke ah gently caress i didnt even think of using the rapsheet link to set up the quote link
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Dude, Bernie. This is the democratic presidential primary, not the C-SPAM thread.
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ross perot in hell posted:Dude, Bernie. This is the democratic presidential primary, not the C-SPAM thread. [gesticulating wildly] "people don't want me saying it but the president is a cspam mod."
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look she wasn't visibly chanting USA USA USA so Fritz Coldcockin posted:Call me when Bernie finally realizes that a spirit bomb made of decorum is not going to get M4A through Congress. When he finally realizes that abolishing the filibuster is literally the only way, I'll be back on his side. Neither will compromising on even moderate reforms before the primary election for the job in which you promise to use to enact said moderate reforms. How in the loving gently caress do you think Warren would get anything passed? Best case we get the privilege of paying cigna $400/mo to not get dinged by the IRS at the end of the year. Maybe some tax credits for veteran single mothers who establish >200MW solar farms for more than 3 years.
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Condiv posted:imo, president nina turner elected in 2020 would be way more effective than obama at achieving progressive change, but that's because she's actually willing to fight She’s not gonna get there though, because racists. Obama played politics aligned with the wealthy white establishment, and with a few exceptions lived a clean life, which only served to make it more evident that if you were offended that there’s only one real thing you could be offended about. Another black president is in practical politics unlikely until more boomers die off. Though props for Booker for at least raising his voice and getting passionate, because that’s another double standard.
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Aug 19, 2019 16:02
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Marxalot posted:look she wasn't visibly chanting USA USA USA so I think you're confusing Warren with Harris, bud.
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Aug 19, 2019 16:02
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Fritz Coldcockin posted:I think you're confusing Warren with Harris, bud. Harris would abolish section 8 and EBT. Also possibly use federal resources to enforce federal ~weedlaw~ in California, where she lobbied to keep the poo poo illegal. I base the marijuana enforcement thing off nothing more than her past record and how loving petty most wealthy liberals are. Warren, from the jump, has been signaling that she's not exactly pro M4A. Hence all the talk about private insurers and the many options for affordable access to public private employee funded healthcare solutions. Marxalot fucked around with this message at 16:06 on Aug 19, 2019 |
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Aug 19, 2019 16:04
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Kamala Harris: climate change? I .. uhhhhhhh ... gotta busy day.quote:Citing a scheduling conflict, Senator Kamala Harris will not participate in a CNN “climate town hall” for presidential hopefuls next month, the network says.
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Fritz Coldcockin posted:E: Not even remotely worth it. i dunno what this was but have some confidence my dude, you're not posting anything worth of a probation
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eke out posted:It's actually not hard to go find the many news articles about how Obama only backed down from Warren when people convinced him that she, in particular, was unconfirmable. That they also opposed Cordray, the proposed moderate alternative to Warren, has nothing to do with the former fact. Funny, your argument was that: eke out posted:Capital loves Warren so much that they got republicans to oppose and threaten to filibuster her nomination to run the consumer protection agency that she was responsible for until Obama backed down and appointed someone else. I mean, this is the funny thing, how absolutely resistant to evidence people like you are. So you start out by arguing that Warren is so threatening to capital that republicans threatened to filibuster her if she was nominated. But hey, it turns out that they also filibustered the supposedly less threatening guy. Well, no matter, there were stories that republican would super double plus filibuster her if she was selected. Of course, those stories on background are to be taken as complete gospel, even if it makes no sense with what we know regarding what ended up happening. Meanwhile, we have numerous people, on record, under their own name, saying that, as representatives of institutions that are funded by capital to block change, they are actually fine with Warren. So we have to trust those stories on background that said that Warren was a huge threat to capital in 2011, despite the fact that it made no sense with how things actually played out. But statements current statements by people saying "hell yeah, we're fine with her" are meaningless. You are picking and choosing what to believe, despite actual evidence of behavior to the contrary. And then claiming it's everyone else who is resistant to changing their minds. Here, let me make this easy for you. Are these people stupid? Uninformed? And why hasn't the Warren campaign answered them in any ways? quote:To those who spoke at the Third Way conference like Stephanie Schriock, president of the Democratic group EMILY’s List, that distinction is critical. quote:“The thing about Warren is that she is staying within the lines of what is manageable,” said Matt Bennett, co-founder of the center-left group Third Way, who also praised Warren’s recent visit in South Carolina as “very impressive.” “She believes in capitalism, amazingly we have to say this, but that matters. What she’s offering is not a rejection of capitalism.” quote:Bennett noted that when he saw Warren speak recently, she didn’t mention her support for single-payer health care. It was a sign, he hoped, that the senator wasn’t as fixated on the sweeping proposal — one considered an anathema to many center-left Democrats who see it as politically and substantively impractical — as Sanders is. quote:“I think there’s lots of exciting candidates,” said Jen Psaki, a former spokeswoman for Barack Obama, who spoke at the gathering’s final event. “And if we don’t nominate a self-avowed socialist, … we’ll probably be OK. Or I hope so.” Hell, here's a few more: https://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-warren-wall-street-respect-20190705-story.html quote:“If she ends up being the nominee, I’d have no trouble supporting her at all,” said David Schamis, chief investment officer of Atlas Merchant Capital, where he’s a founding partner alongside former Barclays Plc head Bob Diamond. While Warren isn’t Schamis’ top choice, he said: “I think she is smart, hardworking, responsible and thoughtful. And I think she thinks markets are important.” quote:Some who like Warren might find that their backing isn’t welcome. Former hedge fund manager Whitney Tilson recounted a 2016 episode in which she criticized him on Facebook for being a Wall Street insider who stood to gain from Trump’s policies. The attack surprised Tilson and his wife, who had previously made small donations to Warren and followed her career. She later apologized.
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I'm not positive this is the thread for it but... what the gently caress? https://twitter.com/samstein/status/1163437493938741250?s=20 quote:About two months ago, the Center for American Progress Action Fund commissioned the firm Civis to test messaging that framed Trump not as corrupt or unethical but as “ineffective”—and to attribute that ineffectiveness to his being absorbed by his Twitter feed. Raskolnikov38 posted:i dunno what this was but have some confidence my dude, you're not posting anything worth of a probation Rask has no power here so feel free to call him severely cspam-modded if you want, stop deleting your posts
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Marxalot posted:Are we about to lose the general if we don't get Bernard through the primary holy poo poo 100% iron-clad lock also a nice lol at this article unambiguously adopting the framing that you start with a position you want to push, you commission a poll, you smash your genitals into the keyboard until the numbers come out the way you want it, you call it a "likely voter screen", and then you use your extremely scientific and serious poll that only cranks and loons would doubt as a cudgel to campaign for whatever hosed up garbage policy you started with
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Oh dear God. Yes let's all listen to the Center for American Progress. They've never let us down before.
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Marxalot posted:Rask has no power here so feel free to call him severely cspam-modded if you want, stop deleting your posts I had no intention of insulting someone with mod ability here or anywhere else, but hey, if that's what you wanna believe I was doing, knock yourself out. Also, using Trump's Twitter addiction against him isn't worthy of a chief strategy for a campaign, but it might not hurt to slip some digs in about it during the campaign. Every so often, tell crowds that if you're President you'll stop using Twitter as a platform to insult private citizens. A lot of people cite Trump's terminal Tweeting as one of the main reasons they're so uncomfortable with him as President. It couldn't hurt to try and communicate them. If you get them to vote for you, great, if not, then you haven't spent much time or capital on it anyway. Fritz Coldcockin fucked around with this message at 16:22 on Aug 19, 2019 |
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Wait how did Warren even get filibustered, why didn't she spend her bottomless reserves of ~political capital~ to get on the CFPB. Oh well I'm sure this time around Republicans will be bowled over by her dragon hoard of political capital and vote for smart regulation and Medicare for Most for America Plus Extra Extra or whatever. joepinetree posted:They didn't prefer someone else at CFPB. They preferred no one. Richard Cordray was also filibustered and had to be recess appointed. So the only reason she didn't end up at CFPB was because Obama didn't want her there, not the republicans. Ah then the logical conclusion is that Richard Cordray too is exactly the same as Bernie Sanders
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I think we should try to make the CFPB more independent like the fed, and then put the FTC and FCC under it, maybe rename it to the death to capitalism office. I'm only kinda joking
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Fritz Coldcockin posted:A lot of people cite Trump's terminal Tweeting as one of the main reasons they're so uncomfortable with him as President. It couldn't hurt to try and communicate them. If you get them to vote for you, great, if not, then you haven't spent much time or capital on it anyway. Unsubstantiated claim, unless you mean "a large percentage of the people on CNN" by "a lot of people". It can hurt to communicate because of opportunity cost. When you're talking avout trump's tweeting instead of climate change or health care or any of the million other crippling emergency situations the next administration will have to address, you're not convincing anybody of anything.
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Breakfast All Day posted:I still vividly remember in spring 2009 sitting in my car on the way home from work, David Brooks on All Things Considered saying, "it was a lack of regulation that got us into this. Now people want to use regulation to prevent it in the future. You can't use the same thing that caused something to happen to prevent it!" and the Very Serious Progressive interviewers treating this like some sort of profound logical insight. how appalling do their reasoning skills have to be to think that quote makes any sense, brooks is a complete idiot, and NPR may be worse for using it as a soundbite later Doktor Avalanche fucked around with this message at 16:32 on Aug 19, 2019 |
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Raskolnikov38 posted:i dunno what this was but have some confidence my dude, you're not posting anything worth of a probation Marxalot posted:Rask has no power here so feel free to call him severely cspam-modded if you want, stop deleting your posts You know, I think there's a word for this when pigs do it. After all, the friendly neighborhood narco agent is never the one slapping the cuffs on themselves after you try to buy your weed from them. But of course, mods aren't pigs, they're a totally different ballpark of authority figures who enforce guidelines. No correlation, so clearly this is legit and above board. Speaking of the police though, have any of the candidates commented on the nazis in Portland the other day and how the cops were, once again, totally in on it? I don't think anyone has yet, or I'm just blind. Iamgoofball fucked around with this message at 16:32 on Aug 19, 2019 |
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ross perot in hell posted:Unsubstantiated claim, unless you mean "a large percentage of the people on CNN" by "a lot of people". I'm not talking about devoting entire speeches or even cutting campaign ads. It's one or two lines in a stump speech or a closer at a debate. It would not subtract anything significant from real issues. If it ends up like that, then yeah, you've hosed up--but there is a way to use Trump's Twitter account against him.
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I’ll repeat what I said in a video gamer chud thread: Twitter is a plague on society. The public’s been feeling it more and more. Just say, “my campaign uses social media, but as President I plan to on scheduled remarks and prepared statements over off the cuff online proclamations at two in the morning.” Yes, it’s a decorum battle and you shouldn’t stake a whole campaign on it, but people want this because it ends that “wake up and see how the world is ending today” feeling, and the media likes it because the role of the news is not reduced to collecting tweets that you could go read yourself without their analysis. There’s this very “hear ye, hear ye” aspect to Trump’s tweets that annoys the poo poo out of people, and it’s become his favorite way of doing things because nobody has to take questions and it fits that emperor/king vibe he wants.
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Craptacular! posted:I’ll repeat what I said in a video gamer chud thread: Twitter is a plague on society. The public’s been feeling it more and more. Just say, “my campaign uses social media, but as President I plan to on scheduled remarks and prepared statements over off the cuff online proclamations at two in the morning.” Thank you. This is what I was trying to aim for. If you can sell a return to normalcy first, then people will listen to the rest of what you have to say too. "Hey, Candidate X won't make me wanna throw up when I turn on the news...maybe I should check out the other things they believe too." Although maybe I'm biased; I've been banned from Twitter for telling too many chuds to go drink concrete. E: Found this poll. It's two years old, but apparently people were sick of Trump's tweeting back in 2017. It's not just "the media". https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/politics/wp/2017/09/27/most-americans-still-want-trump-to-stop-tweeting-and-think-hes-unfit-for-office/ Fritz Coldcockin fucked around with this message at 16:37 on Aug 19, 2019 |
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Craptacular! posted:She’s not gonna get there though, because racists. Obama played politics aligned with the wealthy white establishment, and with a few exceptions lived a clean life, which only served to make it more evident that if you were offended that there’s only one real thing you could be offended about. While the Republicans are very racist, and were very successful at using that racism to energize their own voter base in 2010-2016 as turnout cratered from every other constituency (sometimes with hilarious-but-horrifying results when establishment Republicans started losing primaries to crazy Tea Party racists, and of course Trump), I don't think racism is the sole reason the Obama Administration was largely a failure. It's not as though if Obama had been a white dude Republicans would have gone back to being the reasonable people who *checks notes* impeached Bill Clinton for a blowjob and shut down the entire government because the House Speaker didn't like his seat in Air Force One. It's not as if Joe Lieberman would have voted for a public option if Obama had been white, or Manchin and Tester and the loser Blue Dogs would have voted for the DREAM Act or Cap And Trade for President Robert Francis O'Rourke. Maybe without the rabid racist turnout the losses wouldn't have been as bad, maybe Democrats might have regained the House in 2012 and not lost the Senate in 2014 and thereby gotten another Supreme Court Seat. But ultimately the white-Obama administration still would have passed worthless unpopular neolib policy like ACA because that's what Obama believed in. Wall Street still would have made bank off the recession while the rest of America became disillusioned, because if Obama had a mandate for anything in 2009 it was to go after the crooks who wrecked the economy, and instead he nominated all the criminals to the Treasury Department, "foamed the runways" for the banks, and to mix my metaphors a bit threw his body between the bankers and the pitchforks and let his presidency die so Goldman Sachs might live. E: lol I forgot even in the face of Republicans brazenly stealing 2000 and 2004, his one voting-related initiative was to cut all public funding for a community organization that registered poor people and minorities to vote. Oh and he shuttered the grassroots campaign organization that helped him get elected because he assumed he didn't need the people anymore now that he was among America's natural ruling elite, actually the people would probably be a hindrance to good governance because they had unreasonable demands like wanting social security to exist and thinking white collar crime shouldn't be rewarded with trillions in bailouts and corporate welfare. E2: So basically, we can pretty safely say the idea that Obama's moderation only failed because he wasn't white is false. But even if it were true, it certainly doesn't mean Warren would succeed at working with Republicans where Obama failed because guess what they're extremely sexist too! VitalSigns fucked around with this message at 16:46 on Aug 19, 2019 |
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If you still want to vote for the white supremacist republican deep down to her bones Warren, by all means . She is not the one true leftist candidate . She’s a republican to her core . She’s beyond horrible and complete trash .
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If you will buy "a return to normalcy" as a remotely plausible promise in TYOOL 2000&19 you are a Biden voter. Good luck convincing people such a thing is achievable or even desirable. You know another way to say "a return to normalcy"? "Make America Great Again". If what you want is more of the way things used to be, congratulations on the comfortable life you were privileged to lead for a while. Non white non het non cis non-"middle class" persons have been out here suffering and dying while you've been fine with netflix and chill so long as there's no upsetting tweets, sir.
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