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| Joe Biden, the Klansman |
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8 | 0.91% |
| Bernie Sanders, the Hand Flailer |
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578 | 65.76% |
| Elizabeth Warren, the Plan Maker |
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185 | 21.05% |
| Kamala Harris, the Cop Lord |
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4 | 0.46% |
| Cory Booker, the Super Hero Wannabe |
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| Julian Castro, the Twin |
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3 | 0.34% |
| Kirsten Gillibrand, the Franken Killer |
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3 | 0.34% |
| Pete Buttigieg, the Troop Sociopath |
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9 | 1.02% |
| Robert Francis O'Rourke, the Fake Latino |
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2 | 0.23% |
| Jay Inslee, the Climate Alarmist |
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4 | 0.46% |
| Marianne Williamson, the Crystal Queen |
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19 | 2.16% |
| Andrew Yang, the $1000 Fool |
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19 | 2.16% |
| Tulsi Gabbard, the Muslim Hater |
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8 | 0.91% |
| Amy Klobuchar, the Comb Enthusiast |
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1 | 0.11% |
| Just like in real life, nobody voted for Hickenlooper |
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2 | 0.23% |
| Jeffrey Epstein, the MCC Most Hated |
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9 | 1.02% |
| KKKillary KKKlinton |
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16 | 1.82% |
| Some other idiot not in this list |
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9 | 1.02% |
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Marxalot posted:I'm not positive this is the thread for it but... what the gently caress? The headline's a bit misleading, as usual. They didn't poll on "Trump tweets bad", they polled "[Trump is] more focused on his Twitter account than on delivering on his promises". Similarly, they also ran polling about whether Trump voters felt he was delivering on his campaign promises, and found that a lot of people thought he was neglecting his campaign platform because he was "distracted by other unimportant priorities like petty disagreements and Twitter". In other words, they want to base their 2020 message around the idea that Trump is ineffective as a president, too tied up in Twitter feuds and public slapfights to spend his time repealing Obamacare and build the wall. They want to stop criticizing Trump's ethics, Trump's corruption, and even Trump's policies and positions, and instead focus entirely on saying that he's not effectively delivering on those policies. They're not even really going to condemn the content of his tweets, just the fact that he's spending so much time on Twitter. It's the same old "Trump is spending all his time at golf courses instead of doing his presidential work" talking point with a couple words switched out. Why do they think that's a good idea? Because it wins over more Trump voters than criticizing Trump does, and that's the only thing these think-tanks care about. quote:Those who have worked on the messaging say that going after Trump for being a racist and for being distracted by Twitter to the point of ineffectiveness is not an either-or. But, they argue, the former comes with the risk of turning off his supporters by suggesting that they are comfortable with his worst traits, while the latter emphasizes a characteristic of Trump that virtually no one finds flattering.
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Main Paineframe posted:The headline's a bit misleading, as usual. They didn't poll on "Trump tweets bad", they polled "[Trump is] more focused on his Twitter account than on delivering on his promises". Similarly, they also ran polling about whether Trump voters felt he was delivering on his campaign promises, and found that a lot of people thought he was neglecting his campaign platform because he was "distracted by other unimportant priorities like petty disagreements and Twitter". can't recall that approach faceplanting any time in recent history
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Aug 19, 2019 16:45
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DNC leadership will be happy to lose because they’re basically Republicans whose donors will benefit from GOP policy while the Dems do nothing and grift off of it. They fear Bernie and Justice Dems more than doing what’s right or competence or whatever. I’m sure Pelosi will write a sternly worded letter as she’s basking in the millions from generous SF donors. It’s a rigged game. Because I refuse to believe they are genuinely that dumb. I’d rather think they’re malicious.
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Aug 19, 2019 16:46
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Gatts posted:DNC leadership will be happy to lose because they’re basically Republicans whose donors will benefit from GOP policy while the Dems do nothing and grift off of it. They fear Bernie and Justice Dems more than doing what’s right or competence or whatever. I’m sure Pelosi will write a sternly worded letter as she’s basking in the millions from generous SF donors. they are malicious AND dumb, op
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Aug 19, 2019 16:48
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Punk da Bundo posted:If you still want to vote for the white supremacist republican deep down to her bones Warren, by all means . She is not the one true leftist candidate . She’s a republican to her core . She’s beyond horrible and complete trash . going by your three page rap-sheet covered in racist garbage posts, shouldn't you love her
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Aug 19, 2019 16:49
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Marxalot posted:I'm not positive this is the thread for it but... what the gently caress? Democrats 2020: Build the Wall
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Iamgoofball posted:going by your three page rap-sheet covered in racist garbage posts, shouldn't you love her No you loving weirdo
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Unoriginal Name posted:Republican until her mid-40s. What is this supposed to mean? That she's going to change her mind on everything she ran on if she's elected and become Ronald Reagan 2.0? Marxalot posted:I'm not positive this is the thread for it but... what the gently caress? I don't really see the problem with this. I do think it's an effective line of attack that he's sitting on his fat loving rear end watching Fox News all day and tweeting about it when he should be governing the country.
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Punk da Bundo posted:No you loving weirdo  a true leftist, indeed on the off-chance you still legitimately think these things you've posted repeatedly over the years on these forums, and have taken multiple probes and bans for, you may be in the wrong thread (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST) (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Aug 19, 2019 16:53
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A return to normalcy, like the Bush years: barreling heedlessly toward total climate disaster, killing thousands of Americans in pointless wars for oil profits, and deregulating the economy until it blows up and kills everyone. But the president didn't get in twitter fights with Rosie O'Donnell so it's good
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VitalSigns posted:A return to normalcy, like the Bush years: barreling heedlessly toward total climate disaster, killing thousands of Americans in pointless wars for oil profits, and deregulating the economy until it blows up and kills everyone. A BIG part of the reason Trump won is that idiots thought he was the character he played on the apprentice. The fact that he's sitting on his rear end all day tweeting along with fox is damaging to that myth of him to people who don't care about the racism. I do think it would be persuasive to a block of voters.
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Aug 19, 2019 16:57
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mcmagic posted:What is this supposed to mean? That she's going to change her mind on everything she ran on if she's elected and become Ronald Reagan 2.0? I'm gonna go with a "historical lack of perspective" Or maybe just use my preffered term of "loving moron"
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mcmagic posted:I don't really see the problem with this. I do think it's an effective line of attack that he's sitting on his fat loving rear end watching Fox News all day and tweeting about it when he should be governing the country. You don't see the problem with Democrats saying the problem with Trump is that he hasn't repealed ACA and he isn't building the wall and he's too distracted by Twitter to round up every last Mexican in the country and start a war with Iran, like a competent and effective neoliberal technocrat would easily do?
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Aug 19, 2019 16:58
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Iamgoofball posted:You know, I think there's a word for this when pigs do it. After all, the friendly neighborhood narco agent is never the one slapping the cuffs on themselves after you try to buy your weed from them. lmao, gently caress i love this forum sometimes
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Aug 19, 2019 17:00
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VitalSigns posted:You don't see the problem with Democrats saying the problem with Trump is that he hasn't repealed ACA and he isn't building the wall and he's too distracted by Twitter to round up every last Mexican in the country and start a war with Iran, like a competent and effective neoliberal technocrat would easily do? I think it's one line of attack that might reach voters that others wouldn't. Not THE ONLY line of attack that D's should use against Trump. I think painting him as feckless and ineffective is very damaging to him. That cuts against every reason why idiots want to "run the government like a business." mcmagic fucked around with this message at 17:04 on Aug 19, 2019 |
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Aug 19, 2019 17:01
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ross perot in hell posted:they are malicious AND dumb, op Sigh yeah for some reason my brain has a hard time processing both can be true. It doesn’t have to be one or the other
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It's not surprising at all that the DNC wants to run on "Trump's twitter is keeping us from building the wall" because they agree with 100% of his platform and policies, they just need a way to sell those policies to brainworms-infested snotty liberals and they think they've finally hit on the perfect sales pitch. And they're probably right, you can get a lib to vote for some astonishingly regressive policy if you tell them they're smart boys for doing it. "Just wait for the expression on your racist uncle's face when President Harris build's Trump's precious wall where orangeman failed. Slay!" might be the best pitch Perez has come up with yet.
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Aug 19, 2019 17:03
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let’s pay for all this polling instead of stating the plain and obvious fact the the president is a lazy loving moron in over his head.
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Aug 19, 2019 17:04
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VitalSigns posted:It's not surprising at all that the DNC wants to run on "Trump's twitter is keeping us from building the wall" because they agree with 100% of his platform and policies, they just need a way to sell those policies to brainworms-infested snotty liberals and they think they've finally hit on the perfect sales pitch. IDK why you're tying him being a lazy moron who is only interested in Twitter to specific policies....
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Aug 19, 2019 17:06
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mcmagic posted:I think it's one line of attack that might reach voters that others wouldn't. Not THE ONLY line of attack that D's should use against Trump. I think painting him as feckless and ineffective is very damaging to him. That cuts against every reason why idiots want to "run the government like a business." Maybe the Democrats shouldn't be asserting that "running the government like a business" is good. Anyway Hillary already tried this strategy in 2016 and she snatched defeat from the >99% chance jaws of victory, so we don't even have to debate about this. "A man you can bait with a tweet shouldn't have the nuclear button" was tried and empirically proven to be a complete failure of messaging.
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Raskolnikov38 posted:lmao, gently caress i love this forum sometimes yep, it's a healthy forum culture held together by a strong and stable administration and moderator class, where every moderator is clearly marked and accountable to the community, other online communities have huge issues with corruption in their ranks and abuse of the community when it suits the whims of their administration, SA is a nice shining light of leftist thought in forums when all the other major social platforms have succumbed to internet nazis anyways, speaking of police hiding themselves among the community and taking advantage of the fact that they're only under honor code with zero oversight outside of themselves to not break their own rules on entrapping and creating excuses for police over-reach, entrapment, abuse, and brutality to occur: if someone could provide me with info on Bernie or other candidate's responses to the Portland Nazi rallies and how the pigs sent in plainclothes pigs to throw stuff at the cops while encouraging nearby people to do the same so that they could use it as an excuse to beat up Portland's innocent peaceful protesters, that would be great, because im having issues finding Bernie's but I know he talked about it and I want to send it to a few of the left discords im in, thanks comrades in advance Iamgoofball fucked around with this message at 17:13 on Aug 19, 2019 |
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VitalSigns posted:Maybe the Democrats shouldn't be asserting that "running the government like a business" is good. Why don't you think that "the president is a lazy, ineffective moron who can't deliver on anything he promises you" is an effective attack? You are bringing in a bunch of other arguments that I don't think are relevant.... They aren't arguing that running the government like a business is good....
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VitalSigns posted:You don't see the problem with Democrats saying the problem with Trump is that he hasn't repealed ACA and he isn't building the wall and he's too distracted by Twitter to round up every last Mexican in the country and start a war with Iran, like a competent and effective neoliberal technocrat would easily do? I'm all for running on policies, but the fact is that left wing policies won't reach the voters that wanted Trump to all do that, or who are fine with him doing that as long as he also gets the fiscal policies they want pushed through. Convincing them to stay home is the only route, and the best route to that is convincing them that even voting for Trump won't get them what they want. It's not like it's a sole strategy. Not every ad has to be for you. It's gonna upset the goldfish brains who reacted to every anti-Trump ad in 2018 with "Oh no, the DNC has committed to running on nothing but Trump Bad forever!" but they'll do that regardless of the facts.
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The president is an idiot and can’t run the government for poo poo but warren is not the person to deliver that message , it’s Bernie (USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST)
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mcmagic posted:Why don't you think that "the president is a lazy, ineffective moron who can't deliver on anything he promises you" is an effective attack? You are bringing in a bunch of other arguments that I don't think are relevant.... They aren't arguing that running the government like a business is good.... trump got a smaller share of the vote than romney - you need literally zero of the people that were conned by a reality show to switch their votes to you in order to win.
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Punk da Bundo posted:The president is an idiot and can’t run the government for poo poo but warren is not the person to deliver that message , it’s Bernie Any D candidate can really deliver that message effectively.
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mcmagic posted:Any D candidate can really deliver that message effectively. Joe Biden ?????? Come on now . He can barely speak
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lmao okay first: cspam IKs only have power in the subform CSPAM, they have no power in the parent forum second: please enlarge your skulls so that i may actually take advantage of living rent free in them third: that person's posts were totally fine for the rules of d&d and would not have gotten them probated by ppj or anyone else (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST) (USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST) (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Punk da Bundo posted:Joe Biden ?????? Come on now . He can barely speak I don't want this to be taken as an endorsement of Biden because I loving despise him and his candidacy but OF COURSE he can say that he was part of an administration that wasn't moronic or ineffective for 8 years and contrast that with Trump.
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Punk da Bundo posted:The president is an idiot and can’t run the government for poo poo but warren is not the person to deliver that message , it’s Bernie yeah but isn't he Jewish, that group of people you've repeatedly called "parasites", and supported the killing of, and got banned for hating, multiple times?   i mean idk bro you're just kinda sending mixed messages here, is this the thing your fellow alt-righters call "supporting the good ones"? i'm not hip and trendy with the epic alt right slang but you might be
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mcmagic posted:Why don't you think that "the president is a lazy, ineffective moron who can't deliver on anything he promises you" is an effective attack? You are bringing in a bunch of other arguments that I don't think are relevant.... They aren't arguing that running the government like a business is good.... Is your period key stuck. Yes if your attack is "well Trump is bad because he's bad at building the wall or running the government like a business" you're implying both of those things are good. That is in fact why CAP wants to run on that because they are conservatives who believe those things are good and want an effective technocrat in office to do it. Try instantiating literally anyone else other than orange man. "Well the problem with Charles Manson is his plan failed to ignite the race war, so you should follow someone who knows what he is doing instead"
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mcmagic posted:I don't want this to be taken as an endorsement of Biden because I loving despise him and his candidacy but OF COURSE he can say that he was part of an administration that wasn't moronic or ineffective for 8 years and contrast that with Trump. But ...the Obama administration was moronic and ineffectual ??? That’s the curtain we are trying to lift . What part of the Obama administration was good for the average American?
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VitalSigns posted:Maybe the Democrats shouldn't be asserting that "running the government like a business" is good. SUBSCRIBE|LOG IN FEATURE ‘I’m the Last Thing Standing Between You and the Apocalypse’ Inside the final weeks of Hillary Clinton’s cautious — and surprisingly risky — campaign. Hillary ClintonCreditBenjamin Lowy for The New York Times By Mark Leibovich Oct. 11, 2016
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VitalSigns posted:Is your period key stuck. You are still bringing in specific policy issues that are irrelevant in this framing. You can attack Trump for his unpopular policies, and I'm sure D's will, and also attack him for being a moron who watches fox news and tweets at it all day. Punk da Bundo posted:But ...the Obama administration was moronic and ineffectual ??? That’s the curtain we are trying to lift . What part of the Obama administration was good for the average American? I might agree with this but no one is going to make this argument in either the primary or the general.
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Aug 19, 2019 17:20
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Raskolnikov38 posted:lmao okay first: cspam IKs only have power in the subform CSPAM, they have no power in the parent forum Mhm. You guys are locked to the subforum, that's true. Much better than the police, who will have people who are undercover pigs bait people into committing crimes, for someone else with jurisdiction in that case to just happen to observe. So, once again, Something Awful's moderation setup with just one easy fix does what the cops can't ever pull off: be legit and not corrupt. I support Bernie and his work to fix our hosed up justice system. poo poo sucks, yo. I trust in him to fix it.
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Killer robot posted:I'm all for running on policies, but the fact is that left wing policies won't reach the voters that wanted Trump to all do that, or who are fine with him doing that as long as he also gets the fiscal policies they want pushed through. Convincing them to stay home is the only route, and the best route to that is convincing them that even voting for Trump won't get them what they want. Yeah Hillary did that in 2016, she successfully achieved the lowest turn-out presidential election in modern US history and lost, turns out suppressing the vote helps Republicans. "Trump is bad at twitter" aint going to bring back the millions of votes Democrats shed from 2008 to 2016, and that's what matters, not whether you can get a few more suburban racists to leave the top of the ticket blank while voting straight R downballot.
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Aug 19, 2019 17:21
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Iamgoofball posted:Mhm. You guys are locked to the subforum, that's true. i mean i would like to think i could pull strings and get ppj to ban anyone i wanted but there's months of chat logs between us that prove the opposite
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Aug 19, 2019 17:22
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VitalSigns posted:Yeah Hillary did that in 2016, she successfully achieved the lowest turn-out presidential election in modern US history and lost, turns out suppressing the vote helps Republicans. It's not THE ONLY argument. It's one of a number of arguments that D's can use against Trump in 2020.
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Raskolnikov38 posted:lmao okay first: cspam IKs only have power in the subform CSPAM, they have no power in the parent forum this would ring true if you didnt have a history of probating people for how they post in d&d by using their old posts in cspam Somebody fucked around with this message at 19:56 on Aug 19, 2019 |
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whoever that is should get probated for "maple grandpa cult".mcmagic posted:It's not THE ONLY argument. It's one of a number of arguments that D's can use against Trump in 2020. you don't need to poll to realize "trump is a moron that melts down on twitter constantly because he's a whiny baby" is part of what you should hammer him on.
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