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| Joe Biden, the Klansman |
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| Bernie Sanders, the Hand Flailer |
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578 | 65.76% |
| Elizabeth Warren, the Plan Maker |
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185 | 21.05% |
| Kamala Harris, the Cop Lord |
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| Cory Booker, the Super Hero Wannabe |
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| Julian Castro, the Twin |
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| Kirsten Gillibrand, the Franken Killer |
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| Pete Buttigieg, the Troop Sociopath |
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9 | 1.02% |
| Robert Francis O'Rourke, the Fake Latino |
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2 | 0.23% |
| Jay Inslee, the Climate Alarmist |
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4 | 0.46% |
| Marianne Williamson, the Crystal Queen |
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19 | 2.16% |
| Andrew Yang, the $1000 Fool |
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19 | 2.16% |
| Tulsi Gabbard, the Muslim Hater |
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8 | 0.91% |
| Amy Klobuchar, the Comb Enthusiast |
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1 | 0.11% |
| Just like in real life, nobody voted for Hickenlooper |
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2 | 0.23% |
| Jeffrey Epstein, the MCC Most Hated |
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9 | 1.02% |
| KKKillary KKKlinton |
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16 | 1.82% |
| Some other idiot not in this list |
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9 | 1.02% |
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Raskolnikov38 posted:i mean i would like to think i could pull strings and get ppj to ban anyone i wanted but there's months of chat logs between us that prove the opposite Nonsense, you'd never have that sort of power. SA's moderation is top tier among all other online spaces, and I'm not kidding. It's pretty loving bad out there. As a young, hip, and trendy person who is as a result of demographics the perfect target for recruitment for alt-right chuds like the Proud Boys, the epic Gamers :tm:, and all the other assorted nazi subtypes online right now, it becomes really apparent just how much the rest of the internet is hosed every other space is trying to funnel people into being nazis, but you guys actually prevent that and it's rad
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Iamgoofball posted:Mhm. You guys are locked to the subforum, that's true. yeah this whole thread is a psyop to get you banned you're getting high off your own farts, nobody gves that much of a poo poo about you
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Aug 19, 2019 17:25
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Some good old-fashioned helldumping a-brewing
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OJ MIST 2 THE DICK posted:this would ring true if you didnt have a history of probating people for how they post in d&d by using their old posts in cspam true but again i can only do that for posts inside cspam so if you dont have posts there i'm powerless! i'm also powerless if you can't annoy me enough to bother searching for a post in cspam and i promise the people capable of reaching that bar are currently serving month probes from the latest purge round
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Aug 19, 2019 17:26
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A lot of voters who know jack poo poo and don't care about policy just like a president who projects that he's in charge and knows what he's doing. Hammering him as a baby who is whining on twitter all day is a way to reach those voters.
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Aug 19, 2019 17:26
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mcmagic posted:You are still bringing in specific policy issues that are irrelevant in this framing. You can attack Trump for his unpopular policies, and I'm sure D's will, and also attack him for being a moron who watches fox news and tweets at it all day. Ok I see the problem, you didn't read the CAP proposal that you're defending because they specifically said attacking Trump for his bad policies would be a mistake quote:Those who have worked on the messaging say that going after Trump for being a racist and for being distracted by Twitter to the point of ineffectiveness is not an either-or. But, they argue, the former comes with the risk of turning off his supporters by suggesting that they are comfortable with his worst traits, while the latter emphasizes a characteristic of Trump that virtually no one finds flattering. "We can call Trump bad and ineffective, btdubs it's too risky to call him bad because that suggests to his voters that they are bad so don't do that part"
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Aug 19, 2019 17:28
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Iamgoofball posted:Nonsense, you'd never have that sort of power. SA's moderation is top tier among all other online spaces, and I'm not kidding. It's pretty loving bad out there. As a young, hip, and trendy person who is as a result of demographics the perfect target for recruitment for alt-right chuds like the Proud Boys, the epic Gamers :tm:, and all the other assorted nazi subtypes online right now, it becomes really apparent just how much the rest of the internet is hosed Good morning thread. You, specifically, and anyone else who feels like they want to continue this asinine strain of discussion, should stfu. we clearly are mall cops, not even unfit to be true pigs Also don’t drag offsite drama onto here and think I won’t kill you here and there.
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VitalSigns posted:Ok I see the problem, you didn't read the CAP proposal that you're defending because they specifically said attacking Trump for his bad policies would be a mistake I think you can target different attacks at different groups of voters. I also do have the feeling that anyone who could be swayed to not vote for Trump because he's a racist, already isn't voting for him....
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mcmagic posted:Why don't you think that "the president is a lazy, ineffective moron who can't deliver on anything he promises you" is an effective attack? You are bringing in a bunch of other arguments that I don't think are relevant.... They aren't arguing that running the government like a business is good.... It's useless to suggest that building a coalition with voters who value different things (competence in the basic executive function instead of Bernie's exact policy platform) so that progressive goals can ultimately be achieved. The Bernie-fan mainstream is not interested in that kind of strategic thinking.
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Lightning Knight posted:Also don’t drag offsite drama onto here and think I won’t kill you here and there. but its so funny how much chaos guyovich moving a single thread has caused
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Pinky Artichoke posted:It's useless to suggest that building a coalition with voters who value different things (competence in the basic executive function instead of Bernie's exact policy platform) so that progressive goals can ultimately be achieved. The Bernie-fan mainstream is not interested in that kind of strategic thinking. I'm a mainstream Bernie fan.
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Main Paineframe posted:The headline's a bit misleading, as usual. They didn't poll on "Trump tweets bad", they polled "[Trump is] more focused on his Twitter account than on delivering on his promises". Similarly, they also ran polling about whether Trump voters felt he was delivering on his campaign promises, and found that a lot of people thought he was neglecting his campaign platform because he was "distracted by other unimportant priorities like petty disagreements and Twitter". The headline being a uhh... stereotypical headline is why I posted the quote about the CPAC trying to say we should attack trump on his ineffectiveness. I just feel like attacking the pseudofascist president on the grounds of him not being effective enough in his fascistic tendencies is maybe not the best or brightest move. Iamgoofball posted:yep, it's a healthy forum culture held together by a strong and stable administration and moderator class, where every moderator is clearly marked and accountable to the community, other online communities have huge issues with corruption in their ranks and abuse of the community when it suits the whims of their administration, SA is a nice shining light of leftist thought in forums when all the other major social platforms have succumbed to internet nazis I assure you, I am not a forums mod/IK. Otherwise you'd see people get FYAD chain probed for the occasional "White Man's Burden" wokelib posts that crop up from time to time.
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Aug 19, 2019 17:33
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for real though anyone got info on the DNC Candidate statements re: the nazis in portland, as thats a thing that directly impacts me and other portlanders, because the only thing I'm getting out of google is trump making GBS threads all over twitter like he usually does and i like to start my week off with non-trump news
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Aug 19, 2019 17:35
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mcmagic posted:I think you can target different attacks at different groups of voters. I also do have the feeling that anyone who could be swayed to not vote for Trump because he's a racist, already isn't voting for him.... You need to get your keyboard fixed, your period key is repeating. And no in the age of mass media you can't target different attacks at different groups of voters, anything you say to one group of voters that would help Republicans if another group of voters hears it, will be repeated nonstop to that other group. So either -The CAP is full of poo poo like they constantly are about everything, all the time or -They are correct that criticizing Trump's policies will backfire and therefore we must only message that orange man makes bad tweets VitalSigns fucked around with this message at 17:38 on Aug 19, 2019 |
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Raskolnikov38 posted:but its so funny how much chaos guyovich moving a single thread has caused 
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Pinky Artichoke posted:It's useless to suggest that building a coalition with voters who value different things (competence in the basic executive function instead of Bernie's exact policy platform) so that progressive goals can ultimately be achieved. The Bernie-fan mainstream is not interested in that kind of strategic thinking. If that coalition existed Hillary would be president right now.
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Lightning Knight posted:Good morning thread. You, specifically, and anyone else who feels like they want to continue this asinine strain of discussion, should stfu. The offsite drama was literally posted itt by a mod lol
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Aug 19, 2019 17:42
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i'm not a mod goddamnit, if i was i'd have a cool icon next to the name instead of the grenade
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Aug 19, 2019 17:43
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That's exactly what an undercover mod would say, mod
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VitalSigns posted:You need to get your keyboard fixed, your period key is repeating. You really are being myopic.
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ross perot in hell posted:That's exactly what an undercover mod would say, mod *whispers into lapel* i'm blown i need an exit
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mcmagic posted:You really are being myopic. oh ok good argument
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mcmagic posted:I think it's one line of attack that might reach voters that others wouldn't. Not THE ONLY line of attack that D's should use against Trump. I think painting him as feckless and ineffective is very damaging to him. The problem - and a hint at the underlying flaws in the foundation of this message - is that Trump being feckless and ineffective is a good thing. We want his policies to fail, because his policies are the opposite of what we want. In fact, a big part of the reason why his policies are failing is because Dems are largely refusing to cooperate. Condemning Trump as a failure who was unable to pass most of his policies might drive down GOP turnout, sure. But having Dem candidates talking about Trump's failure to implement his campaign promises like it's a bad thing might not be so great for Dem turnout either. And it's unlikely to convince many Trump devotees to vote for a party that's spent the last couple years rebuilding their political identity around opposition to Trump's main platform. mcmagic posted:IDK why you're tying him being a lazy moron who is only interested in Twitter to specific policies.... Because the article that was posted, and the polling within, did. They didn't get their good numbers just by portraying him as a lazy Twitter addict - they did so by proposing that his Twitter addiction was so strong that it was preventing him from implementing his policies. The identity of mcmagic posted:Why don't you think that "the president is a lazy, ineffective moron who can't deliver on anything he promises you" is an effective attack? You are bringing in a bunch of other arguments that I don't think are relevant.... They aren't arguing that running the government like a business is good.... An effective attack, maybe, but effective at what? It might drive down Trump's approval rating even more, but "Trump can't keep his promises" is unlikely to flip right-leaning votes to the party that openly opposes those promises, and any attempt to reassure the right on that point will drive off every other group. The strong, polarizing nature of Trump's promises makes it difficult to successfully abstract away the specifics as unimportant. And it's not like the right doesn't have responses ready for that. "No matter how bad Trump is, a Democrat would be worse" worked well enough in 2016.
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Raskolnikov38 posted:true but again i can only do that for posts inside cspam so if you dont have posts there i'm powerless! i'm also powerless if you can't annoy me enough to bother searching for a post in cspam and i promise the people capable of reaching that bar are currently serving month probes from the latest purge round This is so funny, because recently you've been inviting people to join the debate in the CSPAM primary thread. Clearly you're some sort of reverse vampire.
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Raskolnikov38 posted:*whispers into lapel* i'm blown i need an exit Extraction assets inbound.
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https://twitter.com/davidsirota/status/1163443758823661568 Kamala Harris’ m4a status: I’ll update the thread tomorrow when she loves m4a again
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Aug 19, 2019 18:13
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That seemed like a very sincere apology from Warren at the Native American forum. I think she can win this thing.
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Condiv posted:https://twitter.com/davidsirota/status/1163443758823661568 Harris is clearly trying to carve out her niche in the field, and that niche is lazy Biden supporters and neoconservatives. She's not even my drat 3rd choice anymore.
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mcmagic posted:I think you can target different attacks at different groups of voters. I also do have the feeling that anyone who could be swayed to not vote for Trump because he's a racist, already isn't voting for him.... Trump is indeed going to take the racist vote and the noseholder_GOP vote. Your strategy for beating him though should have more to do with the 100 million voters that are not going to the ballot box. Including the democratic voters that stayed home in 2016. The apparent problem with this one is that most Democratic candidates cannot inspire or mobilize said voters.
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Main Paineframe posted:The problem - and a hint at the underlying flaws in the foundation of this message - is that Trump being feckless and ineffective is a good thing. We want his policies to fail, because his policies are the opposite of what we want. In fact, a big part of the reason why his policies are failing is because Dems are largely refusing to cooperate. The article even includes an example: don't focus on the racism of Trump tweeting "send her back". Instead point out that tweeting is much less effective at illegally deporting recalcitrant legislators than an unaccountable secret police with expanded powers and no due process or oversight with a free hand to operate concentration camps and effectively deport US citizens. This is the perfect opportunity to segue into how a savvy Democrat was able get bipartisan support for empowering ICE while Trump can't even get rid of Ilhan Omar VitalSigns fucked around with this message at 18:30 on Aug 19, 2019 |
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i think people have trouble wrapping their heads around the fact trump got the votes a generic republican got. if you plug romney he gets that same numbers of voters (maybe even more since he got a larger share of the vote). trump being so obviously incompetent and stupid broke everyone's brains. hillary probably would've lost to romney in 2012 does that mean we would've had to appeal to republican voters going forward?
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Main Paineframe posted:The problem - and a hint at the underlying flaws in the foundation of this message - is that Trump being feckless and ineffective is a good thing. We want his policies to fail, because his policies are the opposite of what we want. In fact, a big part of the reason why his policies are failing is because Dems are largely refusing to cooperate. I get that you can make the logical assumption from Trump is an ineffective moron to, we wish he was more effective so that he his policies would pass, but I REALLY don't think voters think like that. I think there are lots of voters who like competence and dislike incompetence.
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Groovelord Neato posted:i think people have trouble wrapping their heads around the fact trump got the votes a generic republican got. if you plug romney he gets that same numbers of voters (maybe even more since he got a larger share of the vote). trump being so obviously incompetent and stupid broke everyone's brains. hillary probably would've lost to romney in 2012 does that mean we would've had to appeal to republican voters going forward? idk, I think you may be underestimating the number of democrat voters that only vote that way because they were indoctrinated by pro-labor families, but are otherwise christian conservatives.
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mcmagic posted:I get that you can make the logical assumption from Trump is an ineffective moron to, we wish he was more effective so that he his policies would pass, but I REALLY don't think voters think like that. I think there are lots of voters who like competence and dislike incompetence. Yeah that's what the people behind "Hillary is the most qualified candidate ever" campaign thought too. They didn't learn anything either.
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Chilichimp posted:idk, I think you may be underestimating the number of democrat voters that only vote that way because they were indoctrinated by pro-labor families, but are otherwise christian conservatives. i'm afraid your point has gone over my head.
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mcmagic posted:You really are being myopic. please stop being so myopic and maybe try being ouropic?????? have you considered that????? VitalSigns posted:Yeah that's what the people behind "Hillary is the most qualified candidate ever" campaign thought too. as one the only candidate to have managed actual slaves, i really don't know who else would be more qualified to run the carceral states of america which is also one of kamala's strengths this time around
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Groovelord Neato posted:i'm afraid your point has gone over my head. maybe he's saying that trump was able to peel off some traditional dem voters cause hillary supported nafta and only halfway walked back support of the TPP after it ended up being an issue for her, while trump was railing against both in his campaign?
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but he still got a smaller share of the vote than romney. if he did peel away conservative democrats that means he pushed away some type of republican that just sat out the election. there's no reason to appeal to either group in order to win.
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