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| Joe Biden, the Klansman |
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8 | 0.91% |
| Bernie Sanders, the Hand Flailer |
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578 | 65.76% |
| Elizabeth Warren, the Plan Maker |
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185 | 21.05% |
| Kamala Harris, the Cop Lord |
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4 | 0.46% |
| Cory Booker, the Super Hero Wannabe |
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0 | 0% |
| Julian Castro, the Twin |
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3 | 0.34% |
| Kirsten Gillibrand, the Franken Killer |
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3 | 0.34% |
| Pete Buttigieg, the Troop Sociopath |
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9 | 1.02% |
| Robert Francis O'Rourke, the Fake Latino |
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2 | 0.23% |
| Jay Inslee, the Climate Alarmist |
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4 | 0.46% |
| Marianne Williamson, the Crystal Queen |
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19 | 2.16% |
| Andrew Yang, the $1000 Fool |
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19 | 2.16% |
| Tulsi Gabbard, the Muslim Hater |
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8 | 0.91% |
| Amy Klobuchar, the Comb Enthusiast |
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1 | 0.11% |
| Just like in real life, nobody voted for Hickenlooper |
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2 | 0.23% |
| Jeffrey Epstein, the MCC Most Hated |
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9 | 1.02% |
| KKKillary KKKlinton |
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16 | 1.82% |
| Some other idiot not in this list |
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9 | 1.02% |
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Wicked Them Beats posted:A bunch of the centrist succ brigade is hitting up the Hamptons right now: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-08-19/no-corn-dogs-in-sight-kamala-harris-scoops-cash-in-the-hamptons Oh. Yeah, that's, uh...that's pretty fuckin lame.
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Aug 19, 2019 21:46
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Haha, that's the most emotion I've seen from robo-Pete.
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Aug 19, 2019 21:58
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There really needs to be a  but for Pete
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Aug 19, 2019 21:59
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Aug 19, 2019 22:04
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Aug 19, 2019 22:12
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It seems like a number of the candidates are hitting up a Native American voting conference today and tomorrow. https://mobile.twitter.com/4directionsvote/status/1162311683982970882 Warren's appearance today was by far the most covered, given her previous stumbles on Native issues. She's made it the climax of a sustained push to charm Native American groups that she's been on for some time, and she released her positions and plans for Native issues on Friday. The reception seems a little mixed. The mainstream media has enthusiastically cheered her appearance, especially since she started it with an apology, but I've noticed a lot of Native advocates complaining about it being a generic apology that didn't really indicate what she was apologizing for or why. https://mobile.twitter.com/indianz/status/1163475153730359297 She took a lot of good policy positions, including canceling Keystone XL and the Dakota Access Pipeline, but the question of trust still seems to be looming on Twitter (though she doesn't seem to have faced any challenges in person today). As for the others so far... Williamson went up there and said mostly very good things. https://mobile.twitter.com/Kevin_Abourezk/status/1163458755482333184 Klobuchar promised to host a state dinner with food from by the Sioux Chef (a Native-owned Minneapolis catering company specializing in Native American cuisine), and said the opioid companies don't own her. She also talked about respecting treaties and expanding tribal sovereignty, but every other candidate said those things too. Bullock called in via Skype instead of showing up in person, and mainly appears to have talked about the judicial system and justice on reservations.
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Aug 19, 2019 22:16
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Is this yet another event that Biden is completely skipping? Is he making any appearances that aren't large-donor fundraisers anymore?
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Aug 19, 2019 22:19
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lmao even Biden’s wife knows Joe sucks
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Aug 19, 2019 22:21
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Wicked Them Beats posted:Is this yet another event that Biden is completely skipping? Is he making any appearances that aren't large-donor fundraisers anymore? You know he just wanted to do a whole speech in an Injun Joe voice and his staffers had to cancel
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Aug 19, 2019 22:22
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Chilichimp posted:lol, my personal struggles made meme This is true...I am a dingus. Pembroke Fuse posted:Counterpoint: heat death of the universe / Boltzmann's interpretation of the Second Law of Thermodynamics. Right, in the end it can be considered a distraction. Though I'd like to think man's ability to create and build can cut through "Death" in some fashion. Death in terms of Oblivion and then there's Death in terms of Transition. If Mankind had its poo poo together it'd be something to work towards and grow, to fill the spaces of the Universe that have grown too far apart with Stars and Life and even thought is should the Universe be too far apart to visit, create/go to another dimension/universe. If there is Oblivion after Death then there's nothing to worry about. If there's a Transition to another life then it can be dealt with once you get there, e.g. If God is Unjust then it is not God and you don't have to worship and challenge the fucker. In the end, a person is on this Earth, do as much good as you can and realize your potential.
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Aug 19, 2019 22:29
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Wicked Them Beats posted:Is this yet another event that Biden is completely skipping? Is he making any appearances that aren't large-donor fundraisers anymore? When reporters started reaching out to major candidates' campaigns a couple days ago to find out why they weren't attending, Biden and Buttigieg claimed schedule conflicts. Harris, on the other hand, was suddenly added to the event literally the day before it started. I'm not sure which one is funnier - making excuses to skip the event, or panicking when you realize the press noticed it and rushing to squeeze yourself in at the last minute. https://mobile.twitter.com/4directionsvote/status/1163123939524132865
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Aug 19, 2019 22:30
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https://twitter.com/AlxThomp/status/1163422811165286405 She's desperately trying to out-unpleasant Biden. 
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Aug 19, 2019 22:42
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Aug 19, 2019 22:43
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Fritz Coldcockin posted:I think you're confusing Warren with Harris, bud. There is no way even all (or most) Democrats would support M4A, or Warren's decent stuff (though they might be cool with her more hosed up stuff like that weird No Hospitals Left Behind thing). This is precisely why Sanders' whole "theory for change" of focusing on building a movement is necessary, and that simply having "plans" won't cut it (because any decent plan has zero chance of getting passed even if you only require Democratic votes). Fritz Coldcockin posted:Also, using Trump's Twitter addiction against him isn't worthy of a chief strategy for a campaign, but it might not hurt to slip some digs in about it during the campaign. Every so often, tell crowds that if you're President you'll stop using Twitter as a platform to insult private citizens. The bad thing about this is that using Twitter a lot isn't even a bad thing. It's actually very good for a president to frequently communicate with the population in a way that isn't filtered through mass media. AOC does this, and it's good. What makes Trump bad is the things he says, which would be the case regardless of whether he said them through twitter or on CNN. eke out posted:Capital loves Warren so much that they got republicans to oppose and threaten to filibuster her nomination to run the consumer protection agency that she was responsible for until Obama backed down and appointed someone else. All rich people are not unified, as demonstrated by the fact that Republicans and Democrats are different in various ways but both have the backing of wealthy people. Warren, at the very least, is acceptable to the Democratic-leaning faction of wealthy people. They might prefer a Buttigieg, but they're also sure she doesn't pose a threat to the status quo they benefit from.
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Aug 19, 2019 22:56
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I don't go to the Hamptons to raise money from billionaires. I go there to relax in my 4th vacation home
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Aug 19, 2019 23:04
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Hmmm. It appears Kamala wasn't on our side at all. gently caress you, sick people.
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Aug 19, 2019 23:13
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Mind_Taker posted:Even though Bernie is a very experienced public servant I don't think I've ever heard him or his supporters talk about how being "experienced" or "qualified" makes him a better candidate. He just lays out his positions and his vision and criticizes others' positions and that's why he's so good. There's zero bullshit with Bernie. It's because when other people talk about being "experienced/qualified" they're not talking about actual experience or qualifications. They're talking about the subjective impression that someone is competent, which itself almost always stems from classism (and sometimes also sexism/racism depending upon who you're talking to). Even if Sanders has waaaay more actual experience in executive positions and the government, Warren was at Harvard and talks in a way that sounds "smart" to them, which to a lot of people is a sign of general, universally applicable competence. Pinky Artichoke posted:It's useless to suggest that building a coalition with voters who value different things (competence in the basic executive function instead of Bernie's exact policy platform) so that progressive goals can ultimately be achieved. The Bernie-fan mainstream is not interested in that kind of strategic thinking. And how are you determining "competence in basic executive function"? Because more often than not, when people claim to be basing their decisions off of vague/subjective things like this, they're actually just reflecting the opinions they've absorbed from media (or from their own biases). Like in this case, you obviously do not have a very informed understanding of Sanders' own history. If someone were comparing resumes, Sanders unquestionably comes out looking better than Warren (and as Mind_Tanker says above, you never see Sanders supporters using this same point, even though they have a stronger argument in favor of it). This is part of why it's important to stick to issues and the candidates' histories. No one is capable of accurately subjectively evaluating competence; there's almost always a bunch of cultural baggage built into that sort of evaluation.
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Aug 19, 2019 23:25
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Ytlaya posted:Realistically, neither M4A nor any of the better Warren plans (like the wealth tax or college debt forgiveness) will actually be able to pass under either of their hypothetical presidencies (though having a strong advocate for a policy like that might push forward the timetable on it by many years). This is why Sanders' approach to politics is so important; he's the only one focusing on mobilizing a large movement to continue beyond his election (and even if he isn't elected). Achieving these things will require not just a president who supports them, but constant pressure from the bottom. Sanders has also repeatedly shown his willingness to directly involve himself in various labor/social movements across the nation, so that's another front where he can help accomplish things aside from passing legislation through Congress. The other thing is that a world where Bernie is the Democratic Nominee is also a world where the primaries for lower office are held in the most lefty environment possible. Those who come out of that pressure to be more left will then be more likely to go on and be elected because they're on the ballot with Bernie, who is the most likely to energize and turn out previously unengaged voters. Which means that President Sanders and the political movement will have the highest chance of actually pushing through an agenda of M4A, Free College, Debt Relief, Minimum Wage increases, the GND, etc.
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Aug 19, 2019 23:34
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https://twitter.com/BernieSanders/status/1163579338392047618 I'm really glad he's addressing more specific issues AND managing to tie them to his larger message of capitalism being the overarching problem.
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Aug 19, 2019 23:40
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VitalSigns posted:
Trump said different things to different groups in 2016 all the time and had no problem.
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Aug 20, 2019 00:10
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Charlz Guybon posted:Trump said different things to different groups in 2016 all the time and had no problem. He told comforting lies to different groups of people who wanted to be lied to.
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Aug 20, 2019 00:29
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Majorian posted:https://twitter.com/AlxThomp/status/1163422811165286405 She's such a loving bullshit artist. She's been on like 12 different sides of the health care issue.
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Aug 20, 2019 00:33
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Pinky Artichoke posted:It's useless to suggest that building a coalition with voters who value different things (competence in the basic executive function instead of Bernie's exact policy platform) so that progressive goals can ultimately be achieved. The Bernie-fan mainstream is not interested in that kind of strategic thinking. "When we build the wall, we will do it without interrupting your brunch"
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Aug 20, 2019 00:36
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Ytlaya posted:
You have a serious reading comprehension problem if you think I was talking about a specific candidate rather than VOTERS. Yeowch!!! My Balls!!! posted:"When we build the wall, we will do it without interrupting your brunch" Look, it's great if you people don't want voters who value things you don't give a poo poo about to vote for your candidate. Just accept that you're leaving votes on the table for Harris or Boots, and you won't get the things you want when that candidate is president.
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Aug 20, 2019 00:48
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Pinky Artichoke posted:It's useless to suggest that building a coalition with voters who value different things (competence in the basic executive function instead of Bernie's exact policy platform) so that progressive goals can ultimately be achieved. The Bernie-fan mainstream is not interested in that kind of strategic thinking. Such a perfectly self contradictory post. Punching right is being a purist, punching left is coalition building.
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Aug 20, 2019 00:50
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Pinky Artichoke posted:You have a serious reading comprehension problem if you think I was talking about a specific candidate rather than VOTERS. David Brooks does not vote in the Democratic primary, friend. Why debase yourself on his behalf.
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Aug 20, 2019 00:58
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Pinky Artichoke posted:Look, it's great if you people don't want voters who value things you don't give a poo poo about to vote for your candidate. Just accept that you're leaving votes on the table for Harris or Boots, and you won't get the things you want when that candidate is president. Okay fine don't support the Final Solution, you're just leaving votes on the table
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Aug 20, 2019 01:03
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Mind_Taker posted:lmao even Biden’s wife knows Joe sucks I'm rather surprised she was that candid about it all. Glad she was honest!
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Aug 20, 2019 01:06
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https://www.greenpeace.org/usa/climate2020/ Sen. Sanders has championed bold climate action for years. In Congress, Sen. Sanders co-sponsored the “100 by ‘50 Act” and “Keep It In the Ground Act” to cut off federal support for coal, oil, and gas while ushering in 100% clean energy by 2050. He also introduced legislation to support coal workers and communities. Sen. Sanders co-sponsored the Green New Deal resolution and has pledged to halt new federal fossil fuel projects if elected — but has yet to call for a full, managed phase-out of the fossil fuel industry. He also has yet to put forth a detailed plan to tackle the climate crisis. Keep it comin’, Sen. Sanders!
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Aug 20, 2019 01:48
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gohmak posted:https://www.greenpeace.org/usa/climate2020/ B+ Is this accurate?
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Pinky Artichoke posted:It's useless to suggest that building a coalition with voters who value different things (competence in the basic executive function instead of Bernie's exact policy platform) Which candidate do you think has more competence in the basic executive function than Bernie, and how are you quantifying that?
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Aug 20, 2019 02:17
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Pinky Artichoke posted:You have a serious reading comprehension problem if you think I was talking about a specific candidate rather than VOTERS. You were referring to voters who value those things, and you're very clearly implying that this is something that Sanders does not have or demonstrate, since you listed it as an example of a thing that would drive voters to support someone else. The real thing that is driving these people away from Sanders - a cultural distaste for the way he communicates and what he broadly represents - is something he has no control over (or is something that also helps him gain the preference of his supporters).
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Aug 20, 2019 02:18
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gohmak posted:B+ Is this accurate? Greenpeace is not a good organization to use on environmental policy or, uh, much else these days. Try the league of conservation voters, or wait for the climate debate on the 9th.
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Aug 20, 2019 04:03
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Lmao the Steyer ad blitz is actually working. God drat America. https://twitter.com/Politics_Polls/status/1163639018728361984
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Aug 20, 2019 04:09
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Lol at nearly all of Beto's supporters taking The Steyer Challenge Does Steyer even have a campaign infrastructure or is he hoping that Facebook ads will caucus for him in Iowa
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Aug 20, 2019 04:13
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gohmak posted:B+ Is this accurate? i was going to say "yes, because nuclear" but then went to the google docs thing showing greenpeace's reasoning for scoring and that wasn't why they gave him a B+ 
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Aug 20, 2019 04:21
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Gatts posted:Right, in the end it can be considered a distraction. Though I'd like to think man's ability to create and build can cut through "Death" in some fashion. Death in terms of Oblivion and then there's Death in terms of Transition. If Mankind had its poo poo together it'd be something to work towards and grow, to fill the spaces of the Universe that have grown too far apart with Stars and Life and even thought is should the Universe be too far apart to visit, create/go to another dimension/universe. If there is Oblivion after Death then there's nothing to worry about. If there's a Transition to another life then it can be dealt with once you get there, e.g. If God is Unjust then it is not God and you don't have to worship and challenge the fucker. In the end, a person is on this Earth, do as much good as you can and realize your potential. I think that's basically it. Create our own meaning and just plug away at being a better person and a better part of the community of humankind... and maybe we can forget the fact that we're sitting on a burning rock screaming through an empty void... and that's just twitter.
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Aug 20, 2019 04:50
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https://twitter.com/JRubinBlogger/status/1163502109331001345 Every time someone like Rubin posts something like this, I get more confident that Bernie will win.
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Aug 20, 2019 05:22
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Majorian posted:Which candidate do you think has more competence in the basic executive function than Bernie, and how are you quantifying that? uh anyone who has ever held an executive position more complex than "mayor of Burlington Vermont", or who has held an equivalent position more recently like, I think his experience is sufficient (albeit more having to do with a century in the Senate than his mayoral years), but it's not a criterion where he exactly leads the field - maybe not even the credible field, given that Mayor Butt is currently mayor of a city 2.5x the size of Burlington and Harris ran a DOJ larger than many actual countries'
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