UKMT August 2019 - we (UK) should simply invade Ireland peacefully

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Jaeluni Asjil: Apr 18, 2018; Sorry I thought you were a landlord when I gave you your old avatar!

Guavanaut posted:

I know a couple of small adult daughters who get away with hardly ever paying VAT on clothing because of loopholes in that.

I'm sure some journalist somewhere is furious.

And some 5ft9in 11 year old girls with 40" busts and adult size 10 feet who have to get adult clothing.
Dear reader, I was that child.

catte tax:

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Jaeluni Asjil fucked around with this message at 18:19 on Aug 21, 2019

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OwlFancier: Aug 22, 2013

A Buttery Pastry posted:

I don't disagree with that, but stratification and specialization isn't the same thing, even if the latter is a requirement for the former. Like, instead of attacking specialization, just go directly for stratification. Whichever specialization you end up getting rid off as you remove stratification is specialization you definitely didn't want.

They aren't the same thing but I would suggest that stratification is a subset of specialization, a perfectly specialized society would be just as, if not even more incapable of operating collectively. Stratification is, if anything, when people of a specialization get together to lord it over other people. They are both instances of alienation but one is, you might say, the alienation of classes rather than individuals.

# ? Aug 21, 2019 18:11

Sanitary Naptime: May 29, 2006; MIWK!

Jaeluni Asjil posted:

And some 5ft9in 11 year old girls with 40" busts and adult size 10 feet who have to get adult clothing.
Dear reader, I was that child.

The public notice for kids clothing literally states the maximum bra size allowable for zero rating the vat.

Doing it by size is a really dumb way to do it, but alas, VAT.

E: kids clothing in general, not bra sizes specifically lmao

Sanitary Naptime fucked around with this message at 18:17 on Aug 21, 2019

# ? Aug 21, 2019 18:14

NotJustANumber99: Feb 15, 2012; somehow that last av was even worse than your posting

Failed Imagineer posted:

Cheap construction is simple:

Inflate house-shaped balloon.
Spray with concrete.
Concrete dries into house shape
Deflate balloon.
Move and repeat.

This was suggested by a small child some years ago and I stand behind it

This is what we're gonna do on the moon and mars. Where everyone will be a super science expert, able to turn their hand expertly to each and every task like elon can, so getting rid of stratification.

# ? Aug 21, 2019 18:20

Sanitary Naptime: May 29, 2006; MIWK!

NotJustANumber99 posted:

This is what we're gonna do on the moon and mars. Where everyone will be a super science expert, able to turn their hand expertly to each and every task like elon can, so getting rid of stratification.

Colonising europa so everyone can build their own innovative submarine

# ? Aug 21, 2019 18:21

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Jaeluni Asjil posted:

And some 5ft9in 11 year old girls with 40" busts and adult size 10 feet who have to get adult clothing.
Dear reader, I was that child.

Yeah I'm 6'4" and if the first year of his life is any indication my son is going to beat that so I had some personal stakes in choosing that example.

It's an interesting example of having to go with a "good enough" measure in legislation, because while the fairest way to apply VAT on children's clothes would be by age, applying that in practice would turn any clothes shopping trip into some Numbers Fuckstein affair. Size is a good enough proxy even if it means some small adults are unfairly advantaged and Large Not Quite Adult Sons and Daughters are unfairly disadvantaged. But we get to reach high shelves unassisted so there are upsides.

# ? Aug 21, 2019 18:31

Firos: Apr 30, 2007; Staying abreast of the latest developments in jam communism

It me, the 8 year old with clown feet.

# ? Aug 21, 2019 18:32

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Sanitary Naptime posted:

The public notice for kids clothing literally states the maximum bra size allowable for zero rating the vat.

Doing it by size is a really dumb way to do it, but alas, VAT.

E: kids clothing in general, not bra sizes specifically lmao

Clothing for kids and small adults isn't a luxury. Clothing for adults and large kids is a luxury because they can just walk around naked without arousing lust in MPs.

Necessity:

Luxury:

NotJustANumber99 posted:

This is what we're gonna do on the moon and mars. Where everyone will be a super science expert, able to turn their hand expertly to each and every task like elon can, so getting rid of stratification.

Elon Musk is a perfect example of the difference between specialization and stratification.

e:

Party Boat posted:

It's an interesting example of having to go with a "good enough" measure in legislation, because while the fairest way to apply VAT on children's clothes would be by age, applying that in practice would turn any clothes shopping trip into some Numbers Fuckstein affair. Size is a good enough proxy even if it means some small adults are unfairly advantaged and Large Not Quite Adult Sons and Daughters are unfairly disadvantaged. But we get to reach high shelves unassisted so there are upsides.

Do it by price. If you're buying luxury designer clothes for a 6 year old then pay VAT, if you're buying a �15 shirt for work then no VAT, regardless of whether it's covered by 'work wear' or not.

# ? Aug 21, 2019 18:33

Cerv: Sep 14, 2004; This is a silly post with little news value.

Fairest would just be to get rid of the VAT exemption on kids clothes.
You�ve got the child tax credit to pay for that.

But some things are too ingrained to be worth the effort changing. Can you imagine the headlines

# ? Aug 21, 2019 18:35

A Buttery Pastry: Sep 4, 2011; Delicious and Informative!

OwlFancier posted:

They aren't the same thing but I would suggest that stratification is a subset of specialization

I mean, that's why I said one was a requirement for the other.

OwlFancier posted:

a perfectly specialized society would be just as, if not even more incapable of operating collectively. Stratification is, if anything, when people of a specialization get together to lord it over other people. They are both instances of alienation but one is, you might say, the alienation of classes rather than individuals.

What do you mean, exactly, with operating collectively? A pretty crucial aspect of specialization is that you need other people, your daily life would basically fall apart in no time at all if other people weren't doing their part to maintain society. Conversely, in a completely non-specialized society, no one actually needs anyone, they can just do whatever themselves. Obviously in a class war kind of sense it's useful to have a huge class of people who're essentially clones of your self if you want to join together to beat up your bosses, but I don't see why you couldn't connect people through other things than their jobs. I mean, nationalism does a pretty good job at getting people to operate collectively, for admittedly largely bad ends. If we're imagining an ideal society of sorts though, where everyone has far more free time, what your job is should also matter far less than it does today. Doesn't matter if there are ten times as many professions, if your identity is just as bound up in your hobby that you share with thousands or millions of other people as your job.

Sanitary Naptime posted:

The public notice for kids clothing literally states the maximum bra size allowable for zero rating the vat.

Doing it by size is a really dumb way to do it, but alas, VAT.

E: kids clothing in general, not bra sizes specifically lmao

I'm surprised no one has argued that if your breasts are larger than the maximum bra size allowed for something to be consider kids clothing, then you're legally an adult no matter you age. Or maybe they have.

# ? Aug 21, 2019 18:40

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Cerv posted:

Fairest would just be to get rid of the VAT exemption on kids clothes.
You’ve got the child tax credit to pay for that.

But some things are too ingrained to be worth the effort changing. Can you imagine the headlines

Isn't the point of the zero rating is that kids' clothes are a necessity, like uncatered food and soft drinks, animals, animal feed, plants and seeds, helicopters, antique jade statues, that sort of thing.

So unless we're going to allow public nudity, non-luxury clothes for people of all ages should be VAT exempt or zero rated, and the fashion labels can have their Jaffa cake moment trying to prove that they're not luxury while telling all their target market that they are.

# ? Aug 21, 2019 18:43

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Guavanaut posted:

I know a couple of small adult daughters who get away with hardly ever paying VAT on clothing because of loopholes in that.

I'm sure some journalist somewhere is furious.

Clothing has loopholes, who'da thunk it.

# ? Aug 21, 2019 18:44

OwlFancier: Aug 22, 2013

A Buttery Pastry posted:

I mean, that's why I said one was a requirement for the other.

What do you mean, exactly, with operating collectively? A pretty crucial aspect of specialization is that you need other people, your daily life would basically fall apart in no time at all if other people weren't doing their part to maintain society. Conversely, in a completely non-specialized society, no one actually needs anyone, they can just do whatever themselves. Obviously in a class war kind of sense it's useful to have a huge class of people who're essentially clones of your self if you want to join together to beat up your bosses, but I don't see why you couldn't connect people through other things than their jobs. I mean, nationalism does a pretty good job at getting people to operate collectively, for admittedly largely bad ends. If we're imagining an ideal society of sorts though, where everyone has far more free time, what your job is should also matter far less than it does today. Doesn't matter if there are ten times as many professions, if your identity is just as bound up in your hobby that you share with thousands or millions of other people as your job.

I would probably characterise less time working and more time being around other people as working to reduce specialization, because most of who you are and what you do is in the same sphere as everyone else.

Whereas someone who spends most of their time working, in an environment defined by specialist practice, with minimal connection to other people, that person probably isn't going to be able to easily organize with others outside their environment. Or at least they are operating at a disadvantage when doing so. The effect of that alienation is to harm their sense of collective being. This is further exacerbated when their work comes with an attendant social circle separated from the common one, and so on.

But I would point out that you're describing a society where people do less specialized work, just less per person rather than fewer people doing it.

Like necessarily this is still gonna involve eliminating a lot of specialist labour on the grounds that it's unneccessary and people should be doing other things with their time.

OwlFancier fucked around with this message at 18:57 on Aug 21, 2019

# ? Aug 21, 2019 18:45

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Cerv posted:

Fairest would just be to get rid of the VAT exemption on kids clothes.
You’ve got the child tax credit to pay for that.

But some things are too ingrained to be worth the effort changing. Can you imagine the headlines

Not any more lol it's all Universal Credit

# ? Aug 21, 2019 18:45

Plasmafountain: Jun 17, 2008

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# ? Aug 21, 2019 18:47

Alan G: Dec 27, 2003

Cerv posted:

Fairest would just be to get rid of the VAT on everything.

Can you imagine the headlines

# ? Aug 21, 2019 18:54

A Buttery Pastry: Sep 4, 2011; Delicious and Informative!

OwlFancier posted:

I would probably characterise less time working and more time being around other people as working to reduce specialization, because most of who you are and what you do is in the same sphere as everyone else.

Then your focus on specialization makes even less sense, given that you can get around it by giving people more free time.

OwlFancier posted:

But I would point out that you're describing a society where people do less specialized work, just less per person rather than fewer people doing it.

The actual proportion of specialized work is constant (or likely increased), so the average individual is more atomized in their work. Though this goes back to the "just give people more free time" solution, which again, makes the focus on specialization seem real weird.

OwlFancier posted:

Like necessarily this is still gonna involve eliminating a lot of specialist labour on the grounds that it's unneccessary and people should be doing other things with their time.

What does "a lot" mean in this context? In absolute terms, sure, but I'm not sure about in relative terms. Actually, even if you eliminate a lot of unnecessary specialist labour, you just free up people to do necessary specialist labour.

A Buttery Pastry fucked around with this message at 19:10 on Aug 21, 2019

# ? Aug 21, 2019 19:06

Josef bugman: Nov 17, 2011; Pictured: Poster prepares to celebrate Holy Communion (probablY)

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As a quick thing, how are we supposed to prevent folks taking money out of the country if we start putting up more taxes on things?

Alongside that, why has no one ever thought about plonking a battalion in the Camen Islands and going "this is ours now"?

# ? Aug 21, 2019 19:08

OwlFancier: Aug 22, 2013

I would suggest that if you're proposing making people spend, say, most of their time not working and also eliminating work-related social groupings, economic and otherwise, that's a pretty radical change away from the current effects of specialized labour which are to divide people both economically and socially.

And while it would likely help to promote people caring about each other, that itself is still a bit of a patch over the material lack of accountability between different groups. Possibly a sufficient one and certainly a model I would suggest trying where specialist labour is necessary, to mitigate its downsides, but it doesn't really get rid of the downsides.

OwlFancier fucked around with this message at 19:12 on Aug 21, 2019

# ? Aug 21, 2019 19:10

Firos: Apr 30, 2007; Staying abreast of the latest developments in jam communism

Josef bugman posted:

As a quick thing, how are we supposed to prevent folks taking money out of the country if we start putting up more taxes on things?

Alongside that, why has no one ever thought about plonking a battalion in the Camen Islands and going "this is ours now"?

Well the obvious answer is "capital controls".

# ? Aug 21, 2019 19:10

Junior G-man: Sep 15, 2004; Wrapped in a mystery, inside an enigma

Josef bugman posted:

As a quick thing, how are we supposed to prevent folks taking money out of the country if we start putting up more taxes on things?

Alongside that, why has no one ever thought about plonking a battalion in the Camen Islands and going "this is ours now"?

Capital controls would do it and also spook the City into a terminal(?) heart attack.

And we've never sent our divisions to the tax havens because the people in charge of the divisions have their money there. The only way they'd send them is to defend the islands.

# ? Aug 21, 2019 19:11

Josef bugman: Nov 17, 2011; Pictured: Poster prepares to celebrate Holy Communion (probablY)

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I more mean in general. It seems so strange to me that if/when the world catches on fire all of these loving moronic people who believe themselves to be titans of industry or Randian Ubermensch think that money and coin are going to be useful. Or that the heavily armed personal guards will not hesitate to execute them and live in the palaces they build for themselves.

I just don't get it at all.

# ? Aug 21, 2019 19:14

Cerv: Sep 14, 2004; This is a silly post with little news value.

Guavanaut posted:

Isn't the point of the zero rating is that kids' clothes are a necessity, like uncatered food and soft drinks, animals, animal feed, plants and seeds, helicopters, antique jade statues, that sort of thing.

So unless we're going to allow public nudity, non-luxury clothes for people of all ages should be VAT exempt or zero rated, and the fashion labels can have their Jaffa cake moment trying to prove that they're not luxury while telling all their target market that they are.

every other EU country has VAT on kids clothes as well as adult. It�ll be fine.
The idea of VAT as a �luxury� tax is a complete fiction btw

# ? Aug 21, 2019 19:18

Jaeluni Asjil: Apr 18, 2018; Sorry I thought you were a landlord when I gave you your old avatar!

Guavanaut posted:

Isn't the point of the zero rating is that kids' clothes are a necessity, like uncatered food and soft drinks, animals, animal feed, plants and seeds, helicopters, antique jade statues, that sort of thing.

So unless we're going to allow public nudity, non-luxury clothes for people of all ages should be VAT exempt or zero rated, and the fashion labels can have their Jaffa cake moment trying to prove that they're not luxury while telling all their target market that they are.

Adults can just wear colour-coded uniforms:

quote:

* Alphas are society's intellectuals, like college professors, scientists, and leaders and wear gray
* Betas are skilled workers who support the Alphas' efforts in roles that require intelligence but perhaps not critical thought and wear mulberry
* Gammas are semi-skilled workers and wear green
* Deltas are low-skill workers, such as packaging employees and machinists and are dressed in khaki
* Epsilons are the very bottom of the hierarchy - carriers, sewage workers and so forth - and wear black
Each caste also wears their designation on their chest, followed by a plus or minus sign, except for the Epsilons who are divided into subcastes. The use of clothing to divide castes in Brave New World is a criticism of European society in Huxley's time, when lower-classes were prohibited from dressing like the upper-class.

source: https://study.com/academy/lesson/5-caste-colors-in-brave-new-world.html

(I didn't know that last bit about Europe!)
Actually reminds me of what happened to my nan during WW2. Family was from large midlands city that got bombed to heck in WW2 and she and my dad and uncles (who were young kids) were evacuated to an army camp in Devon somewhere while grandad was off fighting. Nan spoke and dressed well and the army commissioned officers' wives 'allowed' her to socialize with them until the day grandad came home on leave and - horrors - was just a sergeant at which point they cut her dead.

Jaeluni Asjil fucked around with this message at 19:27 on Aug 21, 2019

# ? Aug 21, 2019 19:24

Junior G-man: Sep 15, 2004; Wrapped in a mystery, inside an enigma

Josef bugman posted:

I more mean in general. It seems so strange to me that if/when the world catches on fire all of these loving moronic people who believe themselves to be titans of industry or Randian Ubermensch think that money and coin are going to be useful. Or that the heavily armed personal guards will not hesitate to execute them and live in the palaces they build for themselves.

I just don't get it at all.

It's all just a giant fantasy that works well because the world itself still sorta/kinda works OK to support the infrastructure etc. that these bozos depend on. The moment the poo poo really hits the fan, as you say, the armed guards are gonna take their dragon hoard and shoot these people. But this is like when you're a kid building a 'fort' in the woods and then running around with a stick that's your rifle.

# ? Aug 21, 2019 19:24

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Josef bugman posted:

Alongside that, why has no one ever thought about plonking a battalion in the Camen Islands and going "this is ours now"?

We did in about 1794, but our Crown likes theft and tax evasion.

Cerv posted:

every other EU country has VAT on kids clothes as well as adult. It’ll be fine.
The idea of VAT as a “luxury” tax is a complete fiction btw

If the rest of the white supremacist liberalism club wants regressive taxes on necessities then that's their bad decision. We shouldn't do that.

# ? Aug 21, 2019 19:26

OwlFancier: Aug 22, 2013

smh if your fort doesn't include revetments and ravelins and interlocking fields of fire.

# ? Aug 21, 2019 19:26

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EAT. SHIT.

Yeah VAT is one of the more problematic parts of the EU, at it's most charitable the VAT rules are a necessary evil to prevent cross-border shenanigans. Though it's been around on the continent for a long time to the point where it would be an uphill struggle to abolish it. Maybe, possibly, just about, one could get away with arguing for a lower mandatory rate, but you'd still have to convince people to have higher income taxes and the elites to accept higher capital gains taxes to compensate.

# ? Aug 21, 2019 19:29

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UKMT August 2019 - we (UK) should simply invade the Cayman Islands peacefully

# ? Aug 21, 2019 19:33

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Jaeluni Asjil posted:

Adults can just wear colour-coded uniforms:

source: https://study.com/academy/lesson/5-caste-colors-in-brave-new-world.html

(I didn't know that last bit about Europe!)
Actually reminds me of what happened to my nan during WW2. Family was from large midlands city that got bombed to heck in WW2 and she and my dad and uncles (who were young kids) were evacuated to an army camp in Devon somewhere while grandad was off fighting. Nan spoke and dressed well and the army commissioned officers' wives 'allowed' her to socialize with them until the day grandad came home on leave and - horrors - was just a sergeant at which point they cut her dead.

Sumptuary laws existed in England until the Georgian era, and it was basically lobbying from the new clothing industry that got rid of them.

# ? Aug 21, 2019 19:35

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Party Boat posted:

UKMT August 2019 - we (UK) should simply invade the Cayman Islands peacefully

HA!

Also, sorry for misspelling "Cayman"!

Gonna be honest here folks, not feeling my best atm. I am still on the waiting list for therapy but have been for about a year. Alongside that, does anyone else think about killing themselves every day? It's become such a regular drum beat inside my head that I barely even notice it, but then I'm around normal folks and suddenly realise "Oh nooo, this isn't how folks usually feel"

# ? Aug 21, 2019 19:36

OwlFancier: Aug 22, 2013

It's gotten less pronounced of late but yes, once you get into the habit it's hard to get out of.

# ? Aug 21, 2019 19:38

A Buttery Pastry: Sep 4, 2011; Delicious and Informative!

OwlFancier posted:

I would suggest that if you're proposing making people spend, say, most of their time not working and also eliminating work-related social groupings, economic and otherwise, that's a pretty radical change away from the current effects of specialized labour which are to divide people both economically and socially.

And while it would likely help to promote people caring about each other, that itself is still a bit of a patch over the material lack of accountability between different groups. Possibly a sufficient one and certainly a model I would suggest trying where specialist labour is necessary, to mitigate its downsides, but it doesn't really get rid of the downsides.

I think my issue with your position is that it basically seems to be "specialist labour is only required for a few key tasks where society has judged that the benefits outweigh the downsides" - despite like every bit of civilization being a result of specialization - and modern technology requiring specialist knowledge every step of the way. And you can't just hand-wave technology as unnecessary consumer products, because society would still need to be just as specialized to create and maintain medical and other technology that you've identified as an important part of your ideal society.

I don't really disagree as such with the idea that it has downsides, but I think you're severely underestimating the upsides. (For a given value of upsides, given that someone might argue quite convincingly that human civilization is a blight upon the universe.)

# ? Aug 21, 2019 19:39

Junior G-man: Sep 15, 2004; Wrapped in a mystery, inside an enigma

Josef bugman posted:

Gonna be honest here folks, not feeling my best atm. I am still on the waiting list for therapy but have been for about a year. Alongside that, does anyone else think about killing themselves every day? It's become such a regular drum beat inside my head that I barely even notice it, but then I'm around normal folks and suddenly realise "Oh nooo, this isn't how folks usually feel"

I used to have it about once a day or so, mainly when standing on tube or train platforms. It's a terrible loving feeling.

Wish I had anything better or more sensible to say than it really does get better. My best advice I can give is to spend as much time as you can outside - I used to walk at least 10-20km a day in the park or something and the fresh air and seeing biodiversity and life really kept me sane.

Feel better man.

# ? Aug 21, 2019 19:40

Chuka Umana: Apr 30, 2019; by sebmojo

Josef bugman posted:

HA!

Also, sorry for misspelling "Cayman"!

Gonna be honest here folks, not feeling my best atm. I am still on the waiting list for therapy but have been for about a year. Alongside that, does anyone else think about killing themselves every day? It's become such a regular drum beat inside my head that I barely even notice it, but then I'm around normal folks and suddenly realise "Oh nooo, this isn't how folks usually feel"

Try seeing someone who can prescribe medication. It won�t fix everything, but it may put you on a good footing until you get into seeing a therapist.

# ? Aug 21, 2019 19:44

OwlFancier: Aug 22, 2013

A Buttery Pastry posted:

I think my issue with your position is that it basically seems to be "specialist labour is only required for a few key tasks where society has judged that the benefits outweigh the downsides" - despite like every bit of civilization being a result of specialization - and modern technology requiring specialist knowledge every step of the way. And you can't just hand-wave technology as unnecessary consumer products, because society would still need to be just as specialized to create and maintain medical and other technology that you've identified as an important part of your ideal society.

I don't really disagree as such with the idea that it has downsides, but I think you're severely underestimating the upsides. (For a given value of upsides, given that someone might argue quite convincingly that human civilization is a blight upon the universe.)

I think I would agree more that it has very good upsides when modern society is not on course to kill millions of people because people barely notice it's happening, because through nations and classes and the atomization of labour we are sequestered from one another.

I don't take the view that human civilization is inherently bad, I take the view that it's the only thing capable of making value judgements so that question is kind of nonsensical, but I also take the view that it's rather hard to say that it, at present, is either good or sustainable.

# ? Aug 21, 2019 19:45

Jose: Jul 24, 2007; Adrian Chiles is a broadcaster and writer

lol

https://twitter.com/tnewtondunn/status/1164246937543028737?s=20

# ? Aug 21, 2019 19:45

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Chuka Umana posted:

Try seeing someone who can prescribe medication. It won�t fix everything, but it may put you on a good footing until you get into seeing a therapist.

Oh I am already on meds. 100 mg of sertraline per day. I swear London goes through so much of the stuff that the fish in the Thames must be perpetually blissed out.

# ? Aug 21, 2019 19:46

Chuka Umana: Apr 30, 2019; by sebmojo

Also I should ask, is there any confirmation that�d there be a shortage of psychiatric medicines in a no deal Brexit?

# ? Aug 21, 2019 19:48

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# ? Aug 21, 2019 19:54

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