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Boris Johnson turns up at the EU Council and declares that he has made a legitimate and peaceful request for cheddar cheese and pineapple on a stick.
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Boris, Oct 18th, Brussels: Righty-ho chaps, I've got a brand new mandate and a majority of a full six seats, so let's get down to brass tacks and negotiate a new withdrawal agreement! We've got *checks calendar* two weeks. Oh. Oh no.
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Junior G-man posted:LOL and (what MUST be) LibDems have risen in his defense. At risk of being a poo poo lib dem I think that actually reporters are bad... But not in the way this guy is saying. The "Gotcha" questions and stuff do probably need to end, just ask them straight questions BUT actually call them out on poo poo when they're lying. KGM did it somewhat here: https://twitter.com/Channel4News/status/1114231615838916614?s=20 At the moment, people ask "gotcha" questions, the politician waffles on with some evasive bullshit that everybody knows is evasive bullshit, and the interviewer just goes "mmhmm, yes" then moves onto the next point... and that's just become the standard game that gets played. Politicians don't answer questions straight because they don't get asked straight questions, and then when they don't give straight answers they're not called out on it. Politicians, interviewers and most of all the public are just tired of the whole loving charade and I think it's a large part of why so many people are politically disenfranchised.
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Everybody wants to be Paxman and get famous for asking tough questions, but since they don't know why they're asking them or how to follow them up we just have this weird political landscape where interviewers are hostile and interviewees are prepped to be evasive and loving nothing ever gets answered. E: Having interviewers just ask normal questions and call people out for lying would be a huge improvement, I agree. If loving QI can do realtime fact checking, the news has absolutely no excuse. Bobby Deluxe fucked around with this message at 22:19 on Aug 24, 2019 |
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Also they're disproportionately hostile to the left.
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OwlFancier posted:He... could but even if he won a majority the EU doesn't have to listen to him just because the UK really wants the moon on a stick lol. The UK's negotiating position is going to a car dealership and saying "well I spoke to my wife about this last week but my wife won't let me buy this car, it costs too much. You need to make me a better offer! (Or I'm Going to walk away and you REALLY NEED this sale!!)" and expecting the opinion of *borat voice* my wife to matter to the EU. The EU doesn't give a poo poo that the "deal can't get through parliament" because frankly that's not their problem. That's our problem. The EU has made the best deal that they're prepared to offer already.
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OwlFancier posted:Also they're disproportionately hostile to the left. 1) most editors and media figures earn over 80k 2) corbyn wants to raise tax for anyone earning over 80k 3) ???
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JeremoudCorbynejad posted:The correct number of scoops is three. Chocolate, toffee, then chocolate again Your #1 scoopsgal fixed your post
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Firos posted:https://twitter.com/ShippersUnbound/status/1165366986257420290?s=20 https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/aug/24/johnson-seeks-legal-advice-parliament-closure quote:Boris Johnson has asked the attorney general, Geoffrey Cox, whether parliament can be shut down for five weeks from 9 September in what appears to be a concerted plan to stop MPs forcing a further extension to Brexit, according to leaked government correspondence. This is all going to blow up in Boris' face and it is going to be glorious E: https://twitter.com/ShippersUnbound/status/1165367219200638979 The madman is actually going to call one, isn't he? Just to get ahead of the VONC that'll throw him out on his arse. Bardeh fucked around with this message at 22:35 on Aug 24, 2019 |
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Bobby Deluxe posted:I have a theory that comes in two parts, see if you can link them together: I mean there are ample explanations for why but that doesn't change that journalists are institutionally incompatible with leftism as a political project.
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WhatEvil posted:KGM did it somewhat here: "somewhat" is being pretty loving generous he said "that's not true" about twice, with no follow-up, and then allowed Redwood to carry on with his bullshit for the rest of the interview it's a pretty damning indictment of the UK media in general that this is about the clearest example in the last couple of years of anyone actually bothering to stand up to the Tories' bullshit
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I quite like the idea of a slapstick, 1990s children's TV approach to this involving buckets of slime being dumped on those no-good politicians when they tell a naughty fib!!!!! 
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OwlFancier posted:Boris Johnson turns up at the EU Council and declares that he has made a legitimate and peaceful request for cheddar cheese and pineapple on a stick. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wxpYW_w5pgo
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crispix posted:I quite like the idea of a slapstick, 1990s children's TV approach to this involving buckets of slime being dumped on those no-good politicians when they tell a naughty fib!!!!! Would rather have Rod Hull and Emu attack them if they lied.
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Julio Cruz posted:"somewhat" is being pretty loving generous quote:some·what I dunno man I think "somewhat" covers it. Why you gotta be so antagonistic about everything?
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OwlFancier posted:Boris Johnson turns up at the EU Council and declares that he has made a legitimate and peaceful request for cheddar cheese and pineapple on a stick. "Well, just because it didnt work for May, itll surely work for me" Something something definition of insanity.
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Bobby Deluxe posted:Everybody wants to be Paxman and get famous for asking tough questions, but since they don't know why they're asking them or how to follow them up we just have this weird political landscape where interviewers are hostile and interviewees are prepped to be evasive and loving nothing ever gets answered. I was gonna say this, with the added reminder of that time a BBC host accused a wheelchair ridden guy who'd been knocked out of his wheelchair by the polis at a protest of lying. I can't find the footage but it's been posted itt before so if anyone has it available please do the needful.
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Coohoolin posted:I was gonna say this, with the added reminder of that time a BBC host accused a wheelchair ridden guy who'd been knocked out of his wheelchair by the polis at a protest of lying. I can't find the footage but it's been posted itt before so if anyone has it available please do the needful. 
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I think it was during the big student protests back in what, 2012? The ones where cop agitators threw bricks through bank windows and then accused the students of doing it.
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I think the complaint is that "wheelchair ridden" is a slightly unpleasant way of putting it.
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If anything he's a wheelchair rider. Sorry, bad humour. But I think that emphasises that journalists, like most shits, will punch down where possible. Someone disabled or vulnerable, perhaps a minority fighting for basic human rights? An interviewer will happily scream "liar!" at them. President or PM though? Full decorum rules apply. Wouldn't want to lose access, after all.
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I remember it, also the video of the cop dressed in all black starting a fight between protestors and the police, then when the rest of the protestors leave the building he pulls his mask off and the cops pat him on the back. Some of the old centrist crowd in these threads tried to claim it was faked but I saw it on the BBC lunchtime news back then. He was later identified as one of the cops who married a woman involved in the protests, had kids with her, then hosed off when they didn't need his cover identity anymore.
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Apparently the big Brexit deadline clock in no 10 was 'too stressful' and had to be removed, LMAO. Also looking at the paper headlines it's not hard to see why brexiteers live in an alternate reality bubble , what with newspapers in this state: (all those are Sunday headlines)     Just  e: Oh and the prime-ministerial pisshead is apparently going to be trying to get a better deal with the US today: Boris Johnson warns Trump US must compromise to get UK trade deal I can't say if it's a media campaign, but they definitely do like releasing briefings around 1AM about what he'll be doing that day. Private Speech fucked around with this message at 03:12 on Aug 25, 2019 |
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Pochoclo posted:Boris Johnson to tell mountain it needs to move I think you mean 'Mountain has moved': Mountain expected to move next month after Boris Johnson asking it tomorrow
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So out of all the myriad places to which a person can owe a debt, why do petrol stations of all things get to summon the plod to deliver the news personally instead of just sending a firm letter like everybody else?
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TACD posted:So out of all the myriad places to which a person can owe a debt, why do petrol stations of all things get to summon the plod to deliver the news personally instead of just sending a firm letter like everybody else? I'm going to assume of all the ways head offices can be gigantic assholes, petrol companies would cover pretty much all of them.
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The Glumslinger posted:I know I don't have much room to talk as an American, but how the gently caress can anyone take BoJo serious with that loving haircut? Part of how he rose in stature was that very thing, he played up the role of being slightly buffoonish. The image he crafted was designed to play down his unfathomably privileged heritage, make himself seem like a bit of a bumbling, but lovable jester who doesn't take himself too seriously. He laughs at himself, and manages to make his genuine laziness and lack of preparation look less serious than it really is. He actually messes his hair up deliberately before he goes in front of any cameras. John Oliver goes into a good deal of depth here; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dXyO_MC9g3k
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baka kaba posted:Yeah that's why I think it's more important for them to call out the "misunderstandings" and demand explanations and remind them of how they've tried this before (which would already be a huge rejection of I once saw a great interview done by the Daily Show in the US, where they'd predicted in advance all the lies the guy was going to tell, and whenever he lied they'd cut to a video clip disproving it or showing the guy saying the opposite thing in the past. More interviews should be done like that.
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Yeah that too, 100%, being seen to take things seriously is decried as rudeness, hysteria, or gaucheness. Rudeness by the Tories because how very dare you claim their policies are hurting and killing people, you can't just make accusations of that sort. Gaucheness by liberals who think politics is essentially a non-contact sport, where getting angry about things is an atrocious breach of decorum protocol. Hysteria by basically everyone because the wealthy, Eton-Oxbridge class thinks things are largely fine regardless of political affiliations, and that surely there can't REALLY be a crisis in healthcare/schools/tuition fees/policing and prisons/welfare/food bank use and kids going hungry/the environment etc. etc. so it's just malcontents making a fuss for no reason. On reflection maybe this is why the fubpees are so wild, they're just acting the way they always believed the politically motivated act. Stiff upper lip is an excellent national characteristic when you're being slammed by the Luftwaffe and have to carry on until we can get enough planes in the air to stop them, less so when there are major problems that changes in policy can actually address.
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Is it time to break out an updated version of "days remaining" yet?
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Not at all concerning https://twitter.com/nezumi_ningen/status/1165529627827351552?s=19
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Jose posted:Not at all concerning I am shocked to hear that the extreme right is seeking to infiltrate various arms of state power. How could this possibly happen? It's amusing though that the tactics used to identify and neutralise Soviet Union and socialism-sympathising military personnel is now being used to do the same with the extreme right. Pity that as organisations the military and police are generally much more sympathetic to right-wing talking points though.
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Private Speech posted:I think you mean *the next day* UNELECTED MOUNTAIN DEFIES PRIME MINISTER
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