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| Joe Biden, the Klansman |
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8 | 0.91% |
| Bernie Sanders, the Hand Flailer |
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578 | 65.76% |
| Elizabeth Warren, the Plan Maker |
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185 | 21.05% |
| Kamala Harris, the Cop Lord |
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4 | 0.46% |
| Cory Booker, the Super Hero Wannabe |
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0 | 0% |
| Julian Castro, the Twin |
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3 | 0.34% |
| Kirsten Gillibrand, the Franken Killer |
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3 | 0.34% |
| Pete Buttigieg, the Troop Sociopath |
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9 | 1.02% |
| Robert Francis O'Rourke, the Fake Latino |
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2 | 0.23% |
| Jay Inslee, the Climate Alarmist |
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4 | 0.46% |
| Marianne Williamson, the Crystal Queen |
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19 | 2.16% |
| Andrew Yang, the $1000 Fool |
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19 | 2.16% |
| Tulsi Gabbard, the Muslim Hater |
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8 | 0.91% |
| Amy Klobuchar, the Comb Enthusiast |
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1 | 0.11% |
| Just like in real life, nobody voted for Hickenlooper |
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2 | 0.23% |
| Jeffrey Epstein, the MCC Most Hated |
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9 | 1.02% |
| KKKillary KKKlinton |
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16 | 1.82% |
| Some other idiot not in this list |
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9 | 1.02% |
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We don't think Warren is "pretty good" is the thing, and we've backed it up with a shitload of stuff that conveniently gets ignored in every conversation about her because it's inconvenient. The democratic party being so loving horrific that she comes off better is not an accomplishment.
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Fritz Coldcockin posted:...it literally means "In the event that your first choice candidate drops out/dies/gets caught banging livestock/whatever, who will you then cast your vote for?" I'm voting for Bernie Sanders in the primary. I have no second choice. Yes, even if he drops out/dies/gets caught banging livestock/whatever. You only get one loving vote, what is the point of figuring out a "second choice" this isn't ranked choice voting.
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Aug 25, 2019 18:44
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WampaLord posted:I'm voting for Bernie Sanders in the primary. I have no second choice. The Iowa caucus would like a word with you. And the idea of not voting because your preferred candidate is no longer available is short-sighted at best, moronic at worst--especially if you're implying that you'll sit at home next November because Bernie isn't the Democrats' candidate. I guess that I just don't understand that mindset.
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Aug 25, 2019 18:46
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Fritz Coldcockin posted:The Iowa caucus would like a word with you. Good thing I don't live in Iowa! Do you have an actual point? Fritz Coldcockin posted:And the idea of not voting because your preferred candidate is no longer available is short-sighted at best, moronic at worst--especially if you're implying that you'll sit at home next November because Bernie isn't the Democrats' candidate. I implied no such thing, I was talking about my primary vote.
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Aug 25, 2019 18:47
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WampaLord posted:Good thing I don't live in Iowa! I was addressing tylersayten a page back, not you, and not Oh Snapple either. You chose to leap in and defend him. WampaLord posted:I implied no such thing, I was talking about my primary vote. Okay then. Glad we cleared that up.
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Aug 25, 2019 18:48
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Fritz Coldcockin posted:I guess that I just don't understand that mindset. Clearly. Fritz Coldcockin posted:I was addressing tylersayten a page back, not you, and not Oh Snapple either. You chose to leap in and defend him. You quoted me, why would I possibly think you were addressing a different poster?
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Aug 25, 2019 18:49
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WampaLord posted:Clearly. Go back and read how this conversation got started. Look, dude, I'm not trying to pick a fight with you--merely to imply that an individual poster's judgment is less-than-sound given that he was talking about Andrew Yang being super-cool due to his UBI plan. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST) (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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WampaLord posted:Clearly. it's hard being a pmc btw i'm not talking to you i'm talking to ytlaya
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Aug 25, 2019 18:51
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WampaLord posted:You quoted me, why would I possibly think you were addressing a different poster? It's called backpedalling
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Aug 25, 2019 18:51
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Fritz Coldcockin posted:Go back and read how this conversation got started. Look, dude, I'm not trying to pick a fight with you--merely to imply that an individual poster's judgment is less-than-sound given that he was talking about Andrew Yang being super-cool due to his UBI plan. If the judgement of people who have a lovely second choice is "less-than-sound", and there's only one non-lovely candidate in the field, isn't the only thing that makes sense to have no second choice?
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Aug 25, 2019 18:55
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Fritz Coldcockin posted:Go back and read how this conversation got started. Okay! You asked: Fritz Coldcockin posted:...it literally means "In the event that your first choice candidate drops out/dies/gets caught banging livestock/whatever, who will you then cast your vote for?" I answered, and then you tried to misrepresent my position as: Fritz Coldcockin posted:And the idea of not voting because your preferred candidate is no longer available is short-sighted at best, moronic at worst--especially if you're implying that you'll sit at home next November because Bernie isn't the Democrats' candidate. I guess that I just don't understand that mindset. When I never said that I wouldn't vote or would skip the general. I'm not defending any other poster here, I was responding to your question and you chose to come after me with stupid bullshit about Iowa and how I'm going to not vote.
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Aug 25, 2019 18:59
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Fritz Coldcockin posted:. Look, dude, I'm not trying to pick a fight with you Look dude, I also clearly have to state in my posts that I'm not trying to pick a fight with you (b/c of context clues i guess). I also demand that whomever you support, you need to get that in check, get a second choice lined up. Goddamn, imagine trying to say this in 2016.
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Aug 25, 2019 18:59
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Eminai posted:If the judgement of people who have a lovely second choice is "less-than-sound", There's one great choice, who I plan to vote for, and one all right choice - or at least, clearly better than the other one or two choices - who I'll vote for if the first choice is not in contention when my primary occurs. How the gently caress is that less-than-sound judgement? No, seriously, how? e: Maybe you don't think it is less-than-sound, given that you took the phrase from Fritz and your post is a little unclear. Mellow Seas fucked around with this message at 19:06 on Aug 25, 2019 |
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Aug 25, 2019 18:59
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There’s less than a thousand people on average browsing this board, and a fraction of that posting. Whether or not every single one of you does or does not vote is less than statistical noise in the context of a national election, and repeatedly arguing in circles about whether or not you will or should vote is almost immaterial to the primary as such. No one, and I really do mean no one, does or should give a gently caress if you don’t want to vote or think voting is a moral obligation or whatever. Electoral politics is not the end all be all, and not participating in electoral politics does not make you a more or less morally pure person. Which is all a roundabout way of saying that ethics in protest voting is possibly the least interesting topic in this field because it is a cudgel to shame people for wanting or not wanting to vote for x candidate in lieu of making an actual argument for why they should or should not.
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Aug 25, 2019 19:08
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What the hell is this "second choice" bullshit? Did people also loudly demand that you proclaim your loyalty to a second choice in 16? 08? Does that apply in the general too? Do we get to have protracted discussions over whether people should be ready to support Gloria La Riva over Jill Stein in the general?
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Aug 25, 2019 19:09
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My first choice is Bernie. My second choice is taking to the woods and forming an armed band of renegades.
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Aug 25, 2019 19:10
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Fritz Coldcockin posted:I'd say that you should have a second choice in case something happens to your first choice, but that would presume that you were arguing in good faith here. So is this a "ok but what if bernie gets shot at a walmart before the primary" post or is this a "but what if your boy doesn't make it to the general, bernie bro  " postOh Snapple! posted:You don't think the candidate whose voters are almost exclusively affluent whites has a ceiling in the dem primary? She has a very compliant media that seems to be eager to position her as being way farther to the left than she currently is, so there's a -chance-. The liberal version of that mailbomber's van
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Aug 25, 2019 19:10
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joepinetree posted:What the hell is this "second choice" bullshit? Did people also loudly demand that you proclaim your loyalty to a second choice in 16? 08? Does that apply in the general too? Do we get to have protracted discussions over whether people should be ready to support Gloria La Riva over Jill Stein in the general? It's not like, an official thing; you know that, right? How would you follow the primary closely and not develop a second choice without even trying?
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Aug 25, 2019 19:12
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I recently asked my American friends who they want to win the nomination and why, and quite a few of them said they don't really mind who wins as long as they win in 2020 and return America to a sense of "normalcy". I thought that was strange because America has always sucked poo poo so surely you'd want Sanders to win and make it at least a bit palatable. Anyway, who do we want as Sanders VP pick? Who are some hot up and comers?
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Aug 25, 2019 19:13
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Mmmm...remind me. Who is your third choice again?
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Aug 25, 2019 19:15
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Mellow Seas posted:It's not like, an official thing; you know that, right? How would you follow the primary closely and not develop a second choice without even trying? Easy. Be someone who has leftist sympathies but also doesn't trust Warren. It's pretty easy for me (and most other people in the thread seemingly) to lump all the candidates to the right of Warren into a neat pile marked "irredeemable trash". Just gotta add one more.
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Aug 25, 2019 19:15
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Mellow Seas posted:It's not like, an official thing; you know that, right? How would you follow the primary closely and not develop a second choice without even trying? By having a set of principles that preclude you from voting for candidates other than your preferred nominee? For a second choice to be something you have to have requires there be two candidates worth voting for, and there's some people in this forum who can only see one worthwhile candidate (and they aren't wrong).
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Aug 25, 2019 19:16
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Mellow Seas posted:those who think "Bernie is by far the best, but Warren is pretty good, but also I'm going to get on D&D every day and talk about what a horrible Republican she is." Who is this? Because as I stated earlier, I'm no longer comfortable with Warren, who until she completely and utterly denounces the Federalist Society is in my mind, somehow managed to find a way to be worse than Joe Biden. RuanGacho fucked around with this message at 19:20 on Aug 25, 2019 |
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seizure later posted:I recently asked my American friends who they want to win the nomination and why, and quite a few of them said they don't really mind who wins as long as they win Cool
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You people have seriously lost your loving minds. You're all addicted to righteousness. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST) (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Aug 25, 2019 19:18
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RuanGacho posted:Who is this? Me sort of. I'd probably vote for Warren in the general because she seems to want to regulate banks, even though I loudly tell anyone who will listen that she's a goddamn sellout who will betray us all at the first opportunity. 
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Aug 25, 2019 19:18
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Mellow Seas posted:You people have seriously lost your loving minds. You're all addicted to righteousness. Have you tried it? It's very intoxicating.
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Aug 25, 2019 19:19
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Mellow Seas posted:It's not like, an official thing; you know that, right? How would you follow the primary closely and not develop a second choice without even trying? Then why do we have to have this endless discussion of "yeah, I am totally for Bernie, but you got to admit Warren is the bee's knees?" People have stated the problems they have with her, why does there need to be any qualifications on that? I mean, this almost makes me miss jefferson clay. At least he was up front about his opinions, instead of this never ending "Oh, I am totally for Bernie, but I am very concerned about XYZ" that seems to have evolved "I am totally for Bernie, so why don't we talk a little bit more about how Warren is like Bernie and we'll totally support her once Bernie drops out or dies?"
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Aug 25, 2019 19:23
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RuanGacho posted:Who is this? Eh... Joe Biden did a paid speech where he came out in favor of re-electing Fred Upton less than a year ago so this is a bit of a stretch.
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Aug 25, 2019 19:25
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saltylopez posted:Eh... Joe Biden did a paid speech where he came out in favor of re-electing Fred Upton less than a year ago so this is a bit of a stretch. Arguable. But remember the Federalist Society is responsible for 95% of the judges Trump has appointed, including Supreme court, the 5% left just being him passing favors around. With their known and stated agenda, which they continue to carry out to this day mind you, I say worse.
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Aug 25, 2019 19:27
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joepinetree posted:Then why do we have to have this endless discussion of "yeah, I am totally for Bernie, but you got to admit Warren is the bee's knees?" People have stated the problems they have with her, why does there need to be any qualifications on that? https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=0LoenypUcmI
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Aug 25, 2019 19:29
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There are so many words being written, here and elsewhere, trying to convince people that Bernie and Liz are basically the same candidate. But all you have to do is look at their political careers to see that that's not remotely true. I mean just at the simplest level, one was a Republican professor at an ivy league school while the other was an independent socialist who ran longshot campaigns against both Dems and Republicans, and won. You can phrase the question however you want, talking about 2nd choices or whatever. Their politics are not the same. Period.
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Aug 25, 2019 19:31
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My first choice is Bernie. My second choice is Bernie, but louder.
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Aug 25, 2019 19:32
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Bernie is my second choice. My first choice is reformation of the U. S. government into a democracy but I cant seem to find it on the ballot.
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Aug 25, 2019 19:36
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Unoriginal Name posted:Bernie is my second choice. My first choice is reformation of the U. S. government into a democracy but I cant seem to find it on the ballot. Bernie is the compromise candidate
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Aug 25, 2019 19:40
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Pieces of poo poo like this gently caress head made Lizzo delete her pro-Bernie tweet
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Aug 25, 2019 19:42
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Mellow Seas posted:You people have seriously lost your loving minds. You're all addicted to righteousness. is this one of those classic two sentence paradoxes like [the second sentence is true. the first sentence is a lie.]
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Nonsense posted:Pieces of poo poo like this gently caress head made Lizzo delete her pro-Bernie tweet They should poke at their tires
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joepinetree posted:Do we get to have protracted discussions over whether people should be ready to support Gloria La Riva over Jill Stein in the general? it'd be a refreshing change of pace
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