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TraderStav posted:Is this the same guy, or at least same species, that stabbed him through the heart? Those guys are so loving metal that it was so uncharacteristic for Star Trek. (Jean-luc was also loving metal laughing at him with the blade sticking out of his chest) The guys who stabbed Picard were Nausicaans, this guy is something else. Real similar though, they both have nonsensical mouth tusk things and Van Halen hair.
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Big Mean Jerk posted:The guys who stabbed Picard were Nausicaans, this guy is something else. Real similar though, they both have nonsensical mouth tusk things and Van Halen hair. His rad as hell hair and tusks are the main reasons I like him. Also I love imposter Picard in this episode. Leading everyone in song, going on a date with Beverley.
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Aug 25, 2019 21:15
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TraderStav posted:Is this the same guy, or at least same species, that stabbed him through the heart? Those guys are so loving metal that it was so uncharacteristic for Star Trek. (Jean-luc was also loving metal laughing at him with the blade sticking out of his chest) No, different guys. I'm sure they party together frequently, though.
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Grand Fromage posted:I think Federations just find it difficult to imagine why anyone who had the option wouldn't want to live in their glorious perfect utopia where everything is definitely perfect all the time.
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Aug 25, 2019 21:41
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marktheando posted:Sticking to the subject of alien makeup design, I’m now onto “Allegiance,” the one where Picard is kidnapped, replaced with a duplicate, and locked up with a few aliens. I love this episode a lot. My favorite part is that the impostor Picard makes an honest effort to be like the real one, but enough is different to see that something is off.
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I like the design of the new Andorians, but I don't like that they decided to downpitch their voices for some reason
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marktheando posted:Sticking to the subject of alien makeup design, I’m now onto “Allegiance,” the one where Picard is kidnapped, replaced with a duplicate, and locked up with a few aliens. that episode ends in such a weird way. with how frightening their confinement of the 3 innocent people to run an experiment, and taking over control of the ship and putting the crew at harm -- right up to one minute of picard trapping the comical-in-person aliens in a forcefield and talking down to them like they're naughty children. the dramatic intensity just drops off a cliff right at the end of the episode.
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Aug 26, 2019 03:37
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That was actually awesome because for once the superior god beings got a taste of their own goddamn medicine
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Aug 26, 2019 03:53
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I did not know this until now, but Up the Long Ladder was intended as an immigration story. Instead Maurice Hurley wanted the Space Irish.
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Aug 26, 2019 05:24
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That episode sure doesn't fit with the later episodes where they try to be so respectful of other cultures. They're all "Ugh, you barbarian Irish with your fire and livestock. Bleh, you goddamn filthy clone-people. Both of you need to abandon your societal norms because we think that's better for you." It's a neat episode in a few ways, but it sure is a tonal shift from all those episodes where they're walking on eggshells for the sake of not offending or interfering. Maybe it would've felt less odd if the original commentary was intact and the Enterprise crew was repulsed for non-future sci fi reasons.
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Aug 26, 2019 06:03
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I always like when they have to do something the old-fashioned way because something breaks and it's kind of a culture shock, like Neelix turning Janeways private dining room into a Galley because due to power issues they need to start cooking with hydroponically grown ingredients, or when the doctor in TNG talks someone through making a splint because the other methods are not functioning. I'd love to see something like a Vulcan with a dislocated arm, in a situation where the medical equipment is failing, taken aback when the human doctor is just like "Ah, I'll just pop it back in... shove-crack" The Vulcan's emotional control being totally overrridden with this emoticon: 
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BioEnchanted posted:I always like when they have to do something the old-fashioned way because something breaks and it's kind of a culture shock, like Neelix turning Janeways private dining room into a Galley because due to power issues they need to start cooking with hydroponically grown ingredients, or when the doctor in TNG talks someone through making a splint because the other methods are not functioning. Ideally, we'd get two different vulcans with similar injuries, and one reacts that way, while the other one likes it, because it's such a brutally logical way to deal with the injury.
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For what its worth we got close to that scene in Star Trek Beyond. https://youtu.be/w7GBITiXtqI I said come in! fucked around with this message at 06:45 on Aug 26, 2019 |
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Aug 26, 2019 06:41
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Beyond was a swell film.
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Aug 26, 2019 06:56
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Vulcan Logic is a=a. a<>d. Human Logic is a=a. but a=d because we simply rip the stem off the top of the d so it looks like an a. All human logic is brutal logic.
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marktheando posted:Forgot how angry and shouty Picard was about Data making Lal. Chill out Jean-Luc. Troi has got her "I need to have a chat with Data about the cultural inappropriateness of blue-face" expression on. I said come in! posted:For what its worth we got close to that scene in Star Trek Beyond. That's some good 
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Senor Tron posted:Troi has got her "I need to have a chat with Data about the cultural inappropriateness of blue-face" expression on. Data is literally in yellow face playing a robot designed to look like his Asian creator though
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AlBorlantern Corps posted:Data is literally in yellow face playing a robot designed to look like his Asian creator though wrong sort of asian, I'm pretty sure
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SlothfulCobra posted:That episode sure doesn't fit with the later episodes where they try to be so respectful of other cultures. They're all "Ugh, you barbarian Irish with your fire and livestock. Bleh, you goddamn filthy clone-people. Both of you need to abandon your societal norms because we think that's better for you." I’m maybe 2% Irish and even I was offended by how ridiculous they made the space Irish. Like they have the rotting teeth and the scraggly beards and constantly drink
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I love how uncomfortable O'Brien is when he has to talk to the Space Irish leader. Make me wonder if Meaney had words about that script.
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Aug 26, 2019 15:43
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It's really weird to me that both that and the two holodeck episodes with the Irish village get like really weird old timey racist about Irish people.
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EvilTaytoMan posted:I love how uncomfortable O'Brien is when he has to talk to the Space Irish leader. Make me wonder if Meaney had words about that script. I dunno but he did have words when they wanted to have a Leprechaun and the writers changed it to Rumpelstiltskin.
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The disco Andorian redesign is fine, but was completely unnecessary. marktheando posted:Actually it was an Andorian female. But yeah its all the terrible choices adding up. So it's a prepubescent Andorian girl who is apparently wearing an athletic cup.
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marktheando posted:I dunno but he did have words when they wanted to have a Leprechaun and the writers changed it to Rumpelstiltskin. In Season 2 of TNG he shows up a lot but maybe has 2-3 lines an episode
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I just wanted to make a post this morning to say that I would eat banana pancakes with B'Elanna Torres.
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I always enjoyed how when she became suicidally depressed the rest of voyager's crew reacted by treating her like dogshit That's such a voyager thing, it's such a 90s thing E: I did not actually enjoy these things
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AlBorlantern Corps posted:Data is literally in yellow face playing a robot designed to look like his Asian creator though I know Soong isn't written to be Asian and Gene just wanted his friend Noonien from back in the war to find him, but that's uh... that's still super not great.
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Troi just blurting out to the whole bridge crew that the Betazoid guy in Tin Man was a patient of hers. Edit- was Marina Sirtis the only person who bothered doing the Betazoid accent? marktheando fucked around with this message at 20:10 on Aug 26, 2019 |
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LividLiquid posted:Oh, dear god, I never thought of that. Is just a weird accident, but yeah I was thinking about it recently and it isn't great! But its the 24th century a random mostly white dude can have the surname Soong, he could be hundreds of years out from an Asian ancestor
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I think it'd be worse if Dr. Soong was Asian. e: It's even weirder that they named him similarly to Khan, who definitely was Asian. Hipster_Doofus fucked around with this message at 20:50 on Aug 26, 2019 |
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I'll be honest, I never interpreted Soong's name as being a real world name, I figured it was just some fabricated future name, like if they'd named him Xanthyr Kudaceau.
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AlBorlantern Corps posted:But its the 24th century a random mostly white dude can have the surname Soong, he could be hundreds of years out from an Asian ancestor He was going to originally be played by Keye Luke for Brothers, but they couldn't get him, and in an Okudagram that was made but ultimately not used in Datalore, his picture was going to be Okuda, himself. So he had at least been conceptualized as East Asian.
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Man, just a friendly PSA, if you're watching TNG and it's not via the Blu Ray including the original episodic promos, you should probably do it that way. These things own.
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LividLiquid posted:Oh, dear god, I never thought of that. Epicurius posted:He was going to originally be played by Keye Luke for Brothers, but they couldn't get him, and in an Okudagram that was made but ultimately not used in Datalore, his picture was going to be Okuda, himself. So he had at least been conceptualized as East Asian. If I remember right the signage in Soong's lab on Omicron Theta was also definitely not English.
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DrNutt posted:Man, just a friendly PSA, if you're watching TNG and it's not via the Blu Ray including the original episodic promos, you should probably do it that way. These things own. Next time on STARRRRRrrr Trek: The Next Generation
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Blade_of_tyshalle posted:I'll be honest, I never interpreted Soong's name as being a real world name, I figured it was just some fabricated future name, like if they'd named him Xanthyr Kudaceau. I could never figure out if he was an alien or just super old.
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Tighclops posted:Next time on STARRRRRrrr Trek: The Next Generation The best thing is that every single one takes some sort of out of context actiony moments to make it seem more exciting, and watching a bunch of them in a row almost feels like watching the gazorra edits.
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marktheando posted:Troi just blurting out to the whole bridge crew that the Betazoid guy in Tin Man was a patient of hers. Sirtis gradually toned down her accent over the years. She started out mimicking the Greek accent that she grew up with from her parents, and then by the seventh season and the movies, she was just using her London accent.
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Blade_of_tyshalle posted:I'll be honest, I never interpreted Soong's name as being a real world name, I figured it was just some fabricated future name, like if they'd named him Xanthyr Kudaceau. Song is also a pretty common Chinese surname, and was the name of a Chinese dynasty.
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That video of the anecdote Sirtis gives about giving Rick Berman grief about the accent over the series is great.
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