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| Joe Biden, the Klansman |
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8 | 0.91% |
| Bernie Sanders, the Hand Flailer |
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578 | 65.76% |
| Elizabeth Warren, the Plan Maker |
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185 | 21.05% |
| Kamala Harris, the Cop Lord |
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4 | 0.46% |
| Cory Booker, the Super Hero Wannabe |
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0 | 0% |
| Julian Castro, the Twin |
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3 | 0.34% |
| Kirsten Gillibrand, the Franken Killer |
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3 | 0.34% |
| Pete Buttigieg, the Troop Sociopath |
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9 | 1.02% |
| Robert Francis O'Rourke, the Fake Latino |
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2 | 0.23% |
| Jay Inslee, the Climate Alarmist |
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4 | 0.46% |
| Marianne Williamson, the Crystal Queen |
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19 | 2.16% |
| Andrew Yang, the $1000 Fool |
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19 | 2.16% |
| Tulsi Gabbard, the Muslim Hater |
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8 | 0.91% |
| Amy Klobuchar, the Comb Enthusiast |
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1 | 0.11% |
| Just like in real life, nobody voted for Hickenlooper |
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2 | 0.23% |
| Jeffrey Epstein, the MCC Most Hated |
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9 | 1.02% |
| KKKillary KKKlinton |
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16 | 1.82% |
| Some other idiot not in this list |
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9 | 1.02% |
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Bedlam posted:My friend is a leftist former pro Bernie guy that buys into Yangs idea that UBI is a panacea for all our problems. He seems to think Yang is getting shafted by media outlets like Bernie in 2016. Normally he is pretty rational about things and was initially drawn in by Yangs ability to pull both left and right voters and sound reasonable. Now I get daily images of some CNN poll that had yang ranked lower that usually has a rational explanation. Hes for most progressive policies and doesnt seem to think yang will inhibit those. He believes Yang has the best shot at beating trump if given the nomination. He's pretty dug in. yeah he's a nerd that doesn't understand politics.
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Bedlam posted:So, I've been arguing back and forth with my friend about Yang who REALLY fell into the Yanggang crowd after the Rogan podcast. He seems to think Yangs UBI wont be a poison kill to gut other welfare programs or thinks people wont need them once given $1000. Now hes posting some Scott Stanten video about why it totally wont cause inflation. The best debunking of Yang's policies can be found right here: https://www.yang2020.com/policies/automatically-sunsetting-old-laws/ If your friend reads that and isn't at least seriously troubled, then you might as well give up. It's not for nothing that I keep calling Yang the Ron Paul of this election - he has some good ideas that no other candidate is talking about, which attracts some people who really ought to know better, but he's also a batshit insane libertarian whose big plans to tear down government as we know it just happen to also disrupt the neoliberal status quo. His plan to pass a Constitutional amendment making all laws automatically expire after a certain amount of time is definitely the highlight of his policies page. But he's also got plenty of other bad ideas, like laying off 20% of the federal workforce, replacing social workers and psychologists with AIs and algorithms, paying the Ivy League schools to expand their campuses, encouraging people to take a personal finance class by letting them deduct the tuition from their taxes, creating a reward points system for volunteer work where you get to visit the White House if you save up enough points, giving veterans waivers and exemptions from federal drug laws, and more. He also intends to create a federal Department of the Attention Economy, which makes me wonder if our old techno-libertarian buddy Eripsa has finally found his place in politics. There's also a few extra strings attached to his "Freedom Dividend" that you'll run across if you dig through his policies a bit. For example, high school graduates wouldn't be eligible to receive it until after they graduate from a mandatory regional exchange program, intended to teach them civility and decorum by shipping them off to another part of the country for a six-week civics course. There might be more, though I haven't seen any.
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Aug 30, 2019 16:16
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I really appreciate the advice and feedback. I'll try to shift back over or at least prepare him to join team Bernie and try to break the YangGangs iron grip. I'm definitely going to show him that image. Edit: Main Paineframe that's exactly what I was looking for. I went through the freedom dividend page but haven't read much about his other policies. Bedlam fucked around with this message at 16:20 on Aug 30, 2019 |
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Aug 30, 2019 16:17
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I know a person who is leaning to Yang and won't accept that the UBI is a poison pill. The given reason is that Yang has apparently called it an "opt-in" program. I think he may have said this is in an interview with Ben Shapiro (my first point of order was "anyone with sense doesn't even talk to that tool and here's why" but anyway).
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Aug 30, 2019 16:17
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Main Paineframe posted:The best debunking of Yang's policies can be found right here: https://www.yang2020.com/policies/automatically-sunsetting-old-laws/ Yang is putting up a surprising amount of policy proposals out for a campaign ostensibly mainly based around promoting UBI. Does he think he can eventually win delegates and maybe entire states?
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Aug 30, 2019 16:23
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Aug 30, 2019 16:46
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The funny thing is that wherever the UBI has actually been tried (hand-in-hand with at least maintaining current levels of social services), its had significant social benefits on the poorest parts of society. Its actually a good, if temporary, policy supported by the likes of Thomas Paine. Unfortunately it got co-opted by libertarians and capitalists long ago, and Yang is just the latest standard-bearer of that attempt. If anyone is interested in how well the UBI did in Finland (where social services were not reduced with the introduction of the UBI experiment), the preliminary findings are here: http://julkaisut.valtioneuvosto.fi/handle/10024/161361 (pdf in english) The only "negative" effect is that since UBI was considered income, those who had found jobs (and also had UBI) made smaller welfare claims since they qualified for smaller amounts. Also, they inexplicably liked cops more. Pembroke Fuse fucked around with this message at 16:51 on Aug 30, 2019 |
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Aug 30, 2019 16:47
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Former Republican has some sound advice for the Dems!
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Aug 30, 2019 16:52
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just looked up the author of that ostensibly non-opinion "reporting" piece (hailey fuchs) and she went to a private school where tuition is $44,300/year, and then to yale 2 past headlines: - Sen. Bernie Sanders pushes free college and student debt forgiveness — and finds the field crowded - Bernie Sanders offers a massive climate plan. Environmentalists cheer, but will it be too much for voters?
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Aug 30, 2019 16:59
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Aug 30, 2019 17:22
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Fact checkers need to figure out that when a politician brings light to a problem, you're not holding them to account when you call out their intentional use of low estimates
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Aug 30, 2019 17:29
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Biden is starting to scare me. Hes giving me Mccain flashbacks.
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Aug 30, 2019 17:29
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Professor Skittles posted:Biden is starting to scare me. Hes giving me Mccain flashbacks. Did you enlist or were you drafted?
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Aug 30, 2019 17:36
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Remember when the big joke was that Gravel was the one being elder abused and being forced to run when he was in no mental condition to do so? And now it's actually true with Biden.
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Aug 30, 2019 17:39
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Just imagine how extraordinarily petty bourg you'd have to be to literally argue that people aren't angry in literal Hellworld.
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Aug 30, 2019 18:07
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Professor Skittles posted:Biden is starting to scare me. Hes giving me Mccain flashbacks. I also get mental images of a flaming plane crashing to Earth when thinking about the Biden campaign.
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Aug 30, 2019 18:08
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HootTheOwl posted:Fact checkers need to figure out that when a politician brings light to a problem, you're not holding them to account when you call out their intentional use of low estimates otoh it extremely owns when Bernie says a number the fack checters, all go "OH NOT THAT'S WRONG ITS ACTUALLY MUCH HIGHER"
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Aug 30, 2019 18:30
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Bedlam posted:Yang is getting shafted by media outlets like Bernie in 2016. Normally he is pretty rational about things and was initially drawn in by Yangs ability to pull both left and right voters and sound reasonable. Now I get daily images of some CNN poll that had yang ranked lower that usually has a rational explanation. Hes for most progressive policies and doesnt seem to think yang will inhibit those. He believes Yang has the best shot at beating trump if given the nomination. He's pretty dug in. I gotta agree here
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Aug 30, 2019 18:50
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Bedlam posted:So, I've been arguing back and forth with my friend about Yang who REALLY fell into the Yanggang crowd after the Rogan podcast. He seems to think Yangs UBI wont be a poison kill to gut other welfare programs or thinks people wont need them once given $1000. Now hes posting some Scott Stanten video about why it totally wont cause inflation. edit: go back to 6:21 where he talks about getting rid of block grants (for medicaid and I think SSDI) in favor of UBI double edit: As far as how to deal with your friend, others here have given some good possible solutions to that problem. I would agree with him that he's getting shafted by the media and maybe you can agree there and get on the same side. I would try and propose the Bernie's solution of a federal jobs guarantee instead of UBI, as that would essentially force the private sector to compete with the public sector (in an ideal world capitalism is supposed to have competition built into it) in terms of pay, hours (full time and actual OT benefits), working conditions, benefits, ability to unionize which tilts the power dynamic towards the workers, etc. TrixR4kids fucked around with this message at 19:02 on Aug 30, 2019 |
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Aug 30, 2019 18:50
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I dont think I've seen anyone mention the shitshow going on with the Iowa caucus, the DNC just rejected the virtual caucus component after it was found to be too easy to hack and manipulate. https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-08-24/dnc-virtual-caucus-at-risk-after-experts-hacked-conference-call https://www.npr.org/2019/08/30/755819116/dnc-recommends-scrapping-plans-for-virtual-iowa-caucuses-over-security-concerns Can someone remind me why Iowa doesn't just switch to a primary? The Glumslinger fucked around with this message at 19:04 on Aug 30, 2019 |
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Aug 30, 2019 19:02
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The Glumslinger posted:Can someone remind me why Iowa doesn't just switch to a primary? Because they wouldn't be first, New Hampshire would be, and then politicians wouldn't have to pander to them specifically as much anymore. Corn subsidies might go down! 
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Aug 30, 2019 19:09
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The Glumslinger posted:I dont think I've seen anyone mention the shitshow going on with the Iowa caucus, the DNC just rejected the virtual caucus component after it was found to be too easy to hack and manipulate. Decorum and tradition and loving bullshit feelings about “gathering together as a community” and “performing an important civic duty for the nation”. Iowa can get hosed. They act like it’s so loving important and then only a third of them even show up.
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Aug 30, 2019 19:26
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re: iowa e-voting getting shot down the dnc accidentally did a good thing since it was going to cap at 10% of the total possible votes because the democratic party is extremely good at finding new and exciting ways to be fundamentally undemocratic
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Aug 30, 2019 20:06
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He's looking for the wrong kind of anger and he's the last person (a screaming old white guy) to find the people who are angry. GAMERS.
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Aug 30, 2019 20:16
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Bedlam posted:My friend is a leftist former pro Bernie guy that buys into Yangs idea that UBI is a panacea for all our problems. He seems to think Yang is getting shafted by media outlets like Bernie in 2016. Normally he is pretty rational about things and was initially drawn in by Yangs ability to pull both left and right voters and sound reasonable. Now I get daily images of some CNN poll that had yang ranked lower that usually has a rational explanation. Hes for most progressive policies and doesnt seem to think yang will inhibit those. He believes Yang has the best shot at beating trump if given the nomination. He's pretty dug in. You could point out that many if not the vast majority of proposals any candidate makes requires Congressional bills and him getting the Presidency doesn't mean a UBI is coming without climatic shifts which he likly isn't capable of (re: "getting shafted by media outlets").
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The Glumslinger posted:I dont think I've seen anyone mention the shitshow going on with the Iowa caucus, the DNC just rejected the virtual caucus component after it was found to be too easy to hack and manipulate. This is good. The caucus is bad and they should switch to a primary, but this e-caucus they had was absolute trash. 10% of delegates would be rewarded based on the e-caucus and the remainder based upon the actual caucus. It did not account for any differential in the numbers of people voting in the e-caucus vs the regular caucus, so you could have more absolute numbers voting on their phone getting just 10% of the delegates.
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Aug 30, 2019 21:17
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In all seriousness AOC can't turn 35 fast enough so this bullshit can be neutered and these people can go join the Republican party where they are going to end up when they can't disingenuously bait about gender and race anymore.
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Aug 30, 2019 21:59
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Pakistani Brad Pitt posted:In all seriousness AOC can't turn 35 fast enough so this bullshit can be neutered and these people can go join the Republican party where they are going to end up when they can't disingenuously bait about gender and race anymore. Do you think that these people are somehow above declaring AOC a fake WoC if it suits them or something? But I get what you mean. I've said it before, but one of the best results of Bernie getting the nomination is that many of the most toxic elements in the Democratic Party would self-purge themselves out of it.
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Aug 30, 2019 22:07
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Pakistani Brad Pitt posted:In all seriousness AOC can't turn 35 fast enough so this bullshit can be neutered and these people can go join the Republican party where they are going to end up when they can't disingenuously bait about gender and race anymore. I don't know about Sean Sullivan but Rubin is and has been a Republican. As long as these types fill lovely institutions like WaPo and everything else they'll always do this poo poo in some form or another. Half the "dem" types just want a Democrat with Republican characteristics. They are growing more transparently biased and incompetent and irrelevant by the day though. So take some heart. There'll always be these shits, they just dont always have to be running the show. poo poo hobotrashcanfires fucked around with this message at 22:26 on Aug 30, 2019 |
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Aug 30, 2019 22:18
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Cerebral Bore posted:Do you think that these people are somehow above declaring AOC a fake WoC if it suits them or something? Yeah, one needs look no further than Nina Turner to see how anyone who doesn't toe the party line isn't treated (regardless of race/gender). AOC has managed, thus far, to avoid publicly positioning herself as directly hostile to the Democratic Party in the eyes of the public, but if she ever explicitly aligned herself with Sanders you'd quickly see many attitudes change.
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Aug 30, 2019 22:37
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Yeah, its almost undeniably a lovely poll, but its still a good laugh https://twitter.com/Politics_Polls/status/1167551933181247490
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Aug 30, 2019 22:55
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The Glumslinger posted:Yeah, its almost undeniably a lovely poll, but its still a good laugh
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Aug 30, 2019 23:18
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The Glumslinger posted:Yeah, its almost undeniably a lovely poll, but its still a good laugh Booker's super positivity is 100% on brand for the Mormon image.
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Aug 30, 2019 23:23
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Lycus posted:Haha, what? My guess is that they somehow excluded responses where the respondee didn't know one of the candidates, because there's no way the Booker - Trump scenario has more decided voters (74%) than the Trump - Biden match up (71%). So I think they discounted lots of Republican voters who just didn't know Booker. It's really stupid, but it's the only way it makes sense.
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Aug 30, 2019 23:25
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Gyges posted:Booker's super positivity is 100% on brand for the Mormon image. yea Booker has big cult energy, I can see why the LDS crowd would go 'oh gee he seems earnest and trustworthy'
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Aug 30, 2019 23:27
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mormonism is super racist so that's wild.
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Aug 30, 2019 23:59
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Gyges posted:Booker's super positivity is 100% on brand for the Mormon image. It's a little bit of that, but I also think Chapo nailed it: Booker is the Michael Scott candidate, desperate to be loved, wishing only to be perceived as The Good Guy. e: And dumb enough to think that he can win literally everybody over, of course. Which means that he wins almost no one over. Majorian fucked around with this message at 00:33 on Aug 31, 2019 |
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Aug 31, 2019 00:29
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Majorian posted:It's a little bit of that, but I also think Chapo nailed it: Booker is the Michael Scott candidate, desperate to be loved, wishing only to be perceived as The Good Guy. its odd because he had a really good bit about how biden was being super loving racist and then ran screaming away from any popular support that resulted from pointing out that the mainstream in general is super loving racist!
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Aug 31, 2019 01:08
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steinrokkan posted:My guess is that they somehow excluded responses where the respondee didn't know one of the candidates, because there's no way the Booker - Trump scenario has more decided voters (74%) than the Trump - Biden match up (71%). Not being familiar with Booker makes him more Generic Democrat than well known Joe. It makes sense that you could get a 3% bump in response off of that. It is interesting that the most people make up their mind when it's Bernie or Liz vs Donny though.
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