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Cummings relying on the submissive spineless of Tory MPs not to rebel, even in the face of disaster, is probably a smart move tbh. edit: this cat would def rebel 
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Nuclear Spoon posted:also given what the Whip actually is i am confused by the etymology of the phrase "withdrawing the whip" "Your services are no longer required" essentialy.
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Sep 1, 2019 22:11
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Necrothatcher posted:Cummings relying on the submissive spineless of Tory MPs not to rebel, even in the face of disaster, is probably a smart move tbh. Given this is the same gaggle of twats that took May pinky promising not to do the thing the remainer mps didn't want and then once she had their vote basically immediately did it this is, if anything, simply streamlining the process.
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Sep 1, 2019 22:13
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Nuclear Spoon posted:so is this just a regular 3-line whip or is it like Hyper 3-Line Omae Wa Mou Shinderu Whip It means they are expelled from the party and no longer represent it. They keep their seat as an MP though.
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Sep 1, 2019 22:13
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Necrothatcher posted:edit: this cat would def rebel Saw this out of the corner of my eye and thought it was a baby tapir. It wasn't. So here's one. 
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Sep 1, 2019 22:14
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Nuclear Spoon posted:so is this just a regular 3-line whip or is it like Hyper 3-Line Omae Wa Mou Shinderu Whip Newly elected MPs are dipped in a special acid bath which destroys their ability to feel any sensation other than pain. After a while they come to crave this last remaining feeling to the extent that taking the whip away becomes a punishment. MPs will go to alarming lengths to experience suffering ((cf. David Milligan).
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Sep 1, 2019 22:18
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Nuclear Spoon posted:so is this just a regular 3-line whip or is it like Hyper 3-Line Omae Wa Mou Shinderu Whip A normal three-line whip is basically "you are expected to attend the vote and vote with the government and there may be consequences if you don't". In recent times there haven't usually been any consequences unless you're a front-bencher. Outright saying in advance of the vote that you'll lose the whip is definitely serious poo poo. Saying you'll be deselected is holy-poo poo-balls-nuclear-option, since it's essentially ending political careers over a single vote. It's as far from normal as you can get. It's also infuriatingly ironic considering how frequently Labour was accused of 'Stalinist purges'. It's hard to see how it's not all bluster though. If they ended up deselecting a dozen or more candidates, some in high-profile seats, right before a snap election then who's going to replace them? It takes time to find new candidates. https://twitter.com/jessicaelgot/status/1168271540573659136
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Sep 1, 2019 22:18
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https://twitter.com/AbiWilks/status/1168266470410858497?s=20 Spicy.
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Sep 1, 2019 22:18
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WhatEvil posted:It means they are expelled from the party and no longer represent it. They keep their seat as an MP though. Wouldn't chucking out enough rebelling MPs essential cause the Tory/DUP coalition to fall into a minority?
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Sep 1, 2019 22:20
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Threatening us with a good time, I see
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Sep 1, 2019 22:20
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Nuclear Spoon posted:also given what the Whip actually is i am confused by the etymology of the phrase "withdrawing the whip" This is essentially probation for MPs. MPs are technically elected as individuals rather than members of their respective parties. The whip is the token that signifies a Tory MP is actually a Tory, and withdrawing it technically makes them an
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Sep 1, 2019 22:21
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So, what is cumbag's plan here? If the tories rebel (lol) the government loses the brexit vote. The rebel lose their whip. The government loses it majority and thus control leading to a GE. GE comes and those rebels lose their seats. But where is the real threat? Where is the real downside for the rebels?
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Sep 1, 2019 22:25
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SOMEONE THINK OF THE SHARES!
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Sep 1, 2019 22:27
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I think a lot of these actions make more sense if you imagine the motivation is to lose a VONC on purpose. If you know you can't deliver brexit without a larger tory majority, you need to have an election. But the tactic most likely to fire up your voters is if the remain forces in parliament are seen to be subverting the Will of the People, and just straight up calling an election doesn't do that. Trying arcane tactics and bald-faced threats to force a NDB shows your voters you're trying anything to pull off their mad suicidal dream for them, while virtually assuring you get VONCed.
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Sep 1, 2019 22:30
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Horseshoe theory posted:Wouldn't chucking out enough rebelling MPs essential cause the Tory/DUP coalition to fall into a minority? If Tory majority is just 1 then Rory getting the boot would nix it. But does the majority of 1 include the DUP or not? I'm not sure.
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Thinking how funny it would be for the Tories to withdraw the whip from MPs who vote against them and thus withdraw any reason for them not to support Corbyn; in fact, if they VONC Johnson these MPs could then vote confidence in Corbyn knowing that the FTPA will keep them in office for up to another 3 years.
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Sep 1, 2019 22:35
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Jaeluni Asjil posted:If Tory majority is just 1 then Rory getting the boot would nix it. But does the majority of 1 include the DUP or not? I'm not sure. It does. The tories lost their majority in 2017
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Sep 1, 2019 22:39
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Jaeluni Asjil posted:If Tory majority is just 1 then Rory getting the boot would nix it. But does the majority of 1 include the DUP or not? I'm not sure. Bear in mind a couple of Tories are suspended but can be reasonably expected to vote with the whip, and they don't count towards that majority of one. So it's actually a few higher but still single digits.
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So operation pisshammer docs have apparently revealed which medicines will run out first: https://twitter.com/J_amesp/status/1168019869125750784?s=19 It's behind a paywall but people in the comments are naming epilepsy, schizophrenia and COPD drugs, which... gently caress. E: non paywall link: https://www.theweek.co.uk/brexit/99058/pharmacists-warn-of-shortages-of-commonly-prescribed-drugs Bobby Deluxe fucked around with this message at 22:47 on Sep 1, 2019 |
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Sep 1, 2019 22:41
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jabby posted:Bear in mind a couple of Tories are suspended but can be reasonably expected to vote with the whip, and they don't count towards that majority of one. So it's actually a few higher but still single digits. Don't forget there's a certain couple independents who will probably support Johnson too.
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Sep 1, 2019 22:43
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Also hoey, stringer, mann.
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Sep 1, 2019 22:51
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Gum posted:It does. The tories lost their majority in 2017 Oh yeah. Sorry I'm being Mrs Dim tonight.
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Sep 1, 2019 23:01
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hoey, stringer, mann. Demons of blulaab, with these sigils I bind thee, with this blood I summon thee.
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Sep 1, 2019 23:02
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OwlFancier posted:Also hoey, stringer, mann. If they prop up a tory govt and enable no-deal I genuinely think they'd have a hard time being out in public.
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Sep 1, 2019 23:05
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StarkingBarfish posted:If they prop up a tory govt and enable no-deal I genuinely think they'd have a hard time being out in public. They already struggle not to burst into flames outside anyway.
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StarkingBarfish posted:If they prop up a tory govt and enable no-deal I genuinely think they'd have a hard time being out in public. Hoey's version of being out in public is speaking at a UKIP rally, so...
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https://twitter.com/kentindell/status/1168095832744308736
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Sep 1, 2019 23:14
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Alternatively, 'Labour to make employees £300bn richer', or am I missing something?
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mrpwase posted:Finally listened to the podcast, good work guys, it was great. I thought it was pretty cruel to transition from the Internationale back into God Save The Queen at the end though, it made me feel dirty. It’s a horrible experience to be dumped back into reality from the loving embrace of socialist chat, I felt the outro should embody that feeling. Niric posted:Re the podcast, good job guys, look forward to the next one. Would it be possible to keep it shorter though? Not that your dulcet tones get grating, but honestly unless it's super in depth anything over an hour (or even 45 mins) tends to be pretty baggy and self indulgent. I mean, the gold standard of smart and interesting people talking about a complex thing, in our time, clocks in at less than an hour even in the extended podcast cuts. Also, as a point of praxis for your audience, going beyond 50 mins or so makes it harder to fit into a commute We’re aiming for an hour with an absolute maximum runtime of an hour and a half, typically mirroring the other typical podcast lengths in the same field a la Trashfuture, WDTATW and Reel Politik, but if the masses scream out for a length reduction we’d be open to trying it out. Sarcastic reply: just listen to it on the way to work and the way back  Bobby Deluxe posted:Podcast content was good, and I'm looking forward to the next one. Could use some extra editing, like getting everyone to sync the start of recording with a set tone, which makes it easier to line up (one person seemed to be delayed a bit judging by the delay between their jokes and the laughter), and the volume was spiking hard one one person's audio, so could have done with some high end clipping. We did a sync, but it’s possible one of us clapped on 1 rather than after 1 lol, I’ll add it to the list of pre show checks. I’ve got a possible solution to that spiking and hopefully I can get it successfully implemented for the next episode! I’m glad you enjoyed it 
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Tsaedje posted:Alternatively, 'Labour to make employees £300bn richer', or am I missing something? Employees aren't who the financial times is for 
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Any Tory MP who has the whip withdrawn will have to very quickly raise a bunch of money to have a chance of retaining their seat in the event of a General Election. Something they won't be able to do, because CCHQ appears to keep a very tight grip on the purse strings of donors (also a bunch of Tory donors have stopped giving to what is clearly a suicide pact). If the Tory MP acorn doesn't fall too far from the Johnson tree, then we're looking at a bunch of people who have spent their lives wanting to be MPs. In which case, is it worth more to them to demonstrate that they have the courage to stand for what they believe in, or to demonstrate that they have the loyalty to go with whatever their boss tells them to do. Because one of those things pays (relatively) well in the medium term, while the other pays indisputably well in the long term.
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Tsaedje posted:Alternatively, 'Labour to make employees £300bn richer', or am I missing something? Once again, labour gets paid first and the shareholders get scraps
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Sep 1, 2019 23:59
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Via BBC News: "UK ruling party" seems like really weird phrasing instead of just "Conservative Party" or "Government".
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OwlFancier posted:Employees aren't who the financial times is for Yeah, but watch the Sun say it in a way to get the poor Gammons riled up as well.
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https://twitter.com/owenjbennett/status/1168271999963140096?s=21 This is interesting.
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Endjinneer posted:Newly elected MPs are dipped in a special acid bath which destroys their ability to feel any sensation other than pain. After a while they come to crave this last remaining feeling to the extent that taking the whip away becomes a punishment. Please do not imply, however obliquely, that I am a Member of Parliament.
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Darth Walrus posted:https://twitter.com/owenjbennett/status/1168271999963140096?s=21 do they need to threaten deselection if MPs have already been publicly threatened with it? sounds a bit good cop bad cop to me
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Endjinneer posted:Newly elected MPs are dipped in a special acid bath which destroys their ability to feel any sensation other than pain. After a while they come to crave this last remaining feeling to the extent that taking the whip away becomes a punishment. Do you mean Stephen Milligan, perchance? Oh I missed this! https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/sex-game-death-tory-mp-13372133 quote:Fresh suspicions have been raised over the death of a Tory MP found wearing stockings and suspenders with electric cord around his neck and a bag over his head.
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Darth Walrus posted:https://twitter.com/owenjbennett/status/1168271999963140096?s=21 Weird. The idea that Johnson is going to withdraw the whip and deselect any rebels is all over the Tory papers tomorrow. So if he doesn't do it, now he looks weak. Lies from the Tory source?
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It's a pretty bold move to be threatening to deselect people when your majority is one. Even though it's actually a little higher thanks to the one pervert that actually saw minor consequences and Hoey, Stringer, and Mann, that's a hell of a die roll. I'm not sure if Tories in Remain seats are going to appreciate being threatened this way, and if it was most people, I imagine the response would be either "Go on then" or "gently caress you, I'm DEFINITELY voting against you now!" And if someone does break ranks Boris has to either go through and deslect, meaning the government doesn't have a notional majority anymore, or not, and look (even more) pathetic.
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