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Junior G-man posted:If they all go through with it, I think so. they've been infected by Game Theory. each one is betting that if they say they'll rebel, it'll persuade others to rebel, so they don't actually have to vote against the government; the end result is no-one rebels ed: 18 is a number at least twice the number of actual rebel Tory MPs CGI Stardust fucked around with this message at 22:26 on Sep 2, 2019 |
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feedmegin posted:Right but as current events show you kind of need NI in there to be able to predict a hung parliament. actually there's a few somewhat realistic scenarios in which you don't
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Tsaedje posted:Losing the Tory whip immediately before a snap election isn't necessarily political oblivion for these folk, they're bound to get plenty of press, could easily win as an independent in a remain leaning constituency and then they can join the lib dems as anti brexit heroes Tbh I hope the Lib Dems are explicitly telling all these guys they can join up.
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Comedy option: opposition forms a deal with potential rebels to vote to stop no-deal in exchange for voting against a general election, saving their seats
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Dumb question alert: if the opposition take control of business, how can the government propose a motion (except as an amendment?)?
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Why are all these people in charge so utterly and completely poo poo at it?
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I’m shocked that Boris promising to sack every leaker has not stopped the leaks
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feedmegin posted:Tbh I hope the Lib Dems are explicitly telling all these guys they can join up. It would make sense ideologically but I'm not sure quite how much the LDs want to be seen as the "literally just Tories who don't hate the EU" party marktheando posted:I’m shocked that Boris promising to sack every leaker has not stopped the leaks p sure this is just supposed to be red meat for the slavering hordes lusting for authoritarianism and diamond hard detach-us-from-the continental-shelf-Brexit
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I'm on a night shift tonight, what time do I need to be setting my alarm so I can watch it all kick off?
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Josef bugman posted:Why are all these people in charge so utterly and completely poo poo at it? RabidWeasel posted:It would make sense ideologically but I'm not sure quite how much the LDs want to be seen as the "literally just Tories who don't hate the EU" party
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AceClown posted:I'm on a night shift tonight, what time do I need to be setting my alarm so I can watch it all kick off? The tear gas will wake you up naturally.
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Guavanaut posted:They're a few years late. They don't like "Jo Swinson is a Tory" so 
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Guavanaut posted:Because we got tired of experts. This seems to have been going on for years though. When did the folks who started believing the lies made up to justify greater personal power for the rich really start becoming the folks in charge?
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So what time tomorrow do we find out if they manage to block no deal / cause an election? Want to know which news to pay attention to in work tomorrow ...
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Jaeluni Asjil posted:https://twitter.com/MannersJack/status/1168504551126773761 They now have 67%. That's 67% of the people following a Brexit ultra.
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Latitude Ocotpus posted:So what time tomorrow do we find out if they manage to block no deal / cause an election? Want to know which news to pay attention to in work tomorrow ... The vote causing an election is up in the air, Johnsons regime has said they might deign to consider it a no confidence vote so no matter when the parliamentary vote comes in there's no timetable on when/if it is considered no confidence and so general election. Also the vote isn't to block no deal, it's just to kick the can down the road yet again.
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Josef bugman posted:When did the folks who started believing the lies made up to justify greater personal power for the rich really start becoming the folks in charge?
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Guavanaut posted:Because we got tired of experts. I'm sure Gove got confused there, and meant that all the retirees in Spain shouldn't get to vote because we were tired of expats.
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Apropos of nothing an old edition of Top Flight Time Machine reminded me what an absolute loving banger the old Weekend World theme tune was: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wuLHwF5x8ZM I suspect this more than anything else is what made me start paying attention to politics.
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goddamnedtwisto posted:Apropos of nothing an old edition of Top Flight Time Machine reminded me what an absolute loving banger the old Weekend World theme tune was: Have the full version: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JBysEkQHr2Y it also took me years to find out that the middle 8 solo section was 'The Parting Glass', and also that this was what was played when my dad's coffin was brought into the church for his funeral because he loving loved this tune
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goddamnedtwisto posted:Apropos of nothing an old edition of Top Flight Time Machine reminded me what an absolute loving banger the old Weekend World theme tune was: I'M TAKING THE RAD TRAIN TO INFORMATION OVERLOAD that owns e: but wow the draw distance was so much shorter in those days IrvingWashington fucked around with this message at 23:36 on Sep 2, 2019 |
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ShaneMacGowansTeeth posted:Have the full version: Ha was just coming to post this. Bought one of my brother's this album for his 17th birthday or xmas incredibly many moons ago. He's retiring shortly 
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ShaneMacGowansTeeth posted:Have the full version: What was it with current affairs shows and prog rock in the 80s anyway? World In Action had it's weirdly ominous Hammond Organ thing, Panorama had some weird synth remake of it's normal orchestral theme... I'm going to assume that it has something to do with easier availability of cocaine. IrvingWashington posted:I'M TAKING THE RAD TRAIN TO INFORMATION OVERLOAD This version of the opening titles is somehow even more fitting to that description, with a hint of CYBERPUNK 1986 mixed in: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AGUu-t7peWg&t=126s As a bonus you get a couple of minutes of 80s adverts at the start and a few minutes of the show itself - look how loving spartan that set is compared to the "Inside The Alien Sex Toy Factory" look most news shows have nowadays. e: Holy poo poo the promo for coverage of Mexico 86 at the end too.
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goddamnedtwisto posted:What was it with current affairs shows and prog rock in the 80s anyway? World In Action had it's weirdly ominous Hammond Organ thing, Panorama had some weird synth remake of it's normal orchestral theme... I'm going to assume that it has something to do with easier availability of cocaine. https://twitter.com/richardmarcj/status/1124680131560255489
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Would it be over the top to say that Boris announcement had hints of Ceausescu’s final speech?
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Halisnacks posted:Would it be over the top to say that Boris announcement had hints of Ceausescu’s final speech? Hints yes, but the anger isn't as visceral just yet, but it does still feel very odd at the moment.
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goddamnedtwisto posted:This version of the opening titles is somehow even more fitting to that description, with a hint of CYBERPUNK 1986 It looked like we were going to survive the alien laser onslaught unscathed, until they managed to bounce a lucky shot off a satellite and take out the post office tower (which is why it isn't on any maps)
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Miftan posted:CRUMPET MENU: Ok the Hawking sounds good but like, why is it on a crumpet instead of in a yorkshire pudding or something?
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Josef bugman posted:This seems to have been going on for years though. When did the folks who started believing the lies made up to justify greater personal power for the rich really start becoming the folks in charge? 2010!
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Josef bugman posted:This seems to have been going on for years though. When did the folks who started believing the lies made up to justify greater personal power for the rich really start becoming the folks in charge? About a hundred years ago  Though more seriously this is the big effect of neoliberalism, it only took a generation or so for the people formed under "socialism lost now we are in the endless age of fiddling with the dials on capitalism" to become the ones in power. And now that, shockingly, capitalism isn't stopping crisising just because the USSR isn't around any more, they have no loving clue how to deal with anything. Further amplified by the blair brand of politics where all that matters is your big grimacing boy up front and we'll never have to worry about anything else because, clearly, they'll be around for ever! See also: Cameron, Obama. When the golden boy goes away you're left with their dregs who only existed to prop up the big clever candidate, and then they all roll around in the poo poo trying to figure out who should be the best big clever candidate. Only none of them are because they weren't picked for being brilliant they were picked to do as they were told.
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Apraxin posted:Still can't top this one: I would unironically watch this. Nothing better to cap off a Friday night then to see Harold Wilson.
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Josef bugman posted:This seems to have been going on for years though. When did the folks who started believing the lies made up to justify greater personal power for the rich really start becoming the folks in charge? I've read a plausible theory that it's the inevitable result of 40+ years of ideological consensus. The current generation of politicians and other movers and shakers have gone their entire careers with various forms of neoliberalism being utterly unchallenged. They were formed and nurtured by the initial wave which dismantled the post-war consensus. Speaking purely in terms of effectiveness (not support!) the Thatcherites had to form their ideas, propose a solution to the problems in the country, become the ideological centre of the Conservative party, win an election and then radically overhaul society into the form they wished. They had to work towards something and achieve it. What they achieved was (apparently...) the infinite existence of neoliberalism. Everyone who came after them just had to hitch their wagon to a train that was already rolling. If they made the right noises they could go far with very little effort and without having to challenge, refine or even really think about their ideology. Which is ironic considering how it apparently puts so much value on cutthroat competition and continual improvement and disruption. Now it's all unraveling from all sorts of different directions and the party is stuffed full of people who had no part in writing the script but have just parroted the lines for 25+ years. Suddenly they're being forced to improvise and they're flailing. No one who is at the top got there by gritting it out or holding their beliefs against the consensus. They haven't had to work or fight for anything. They've never been really challenged, except by other neoliberals on the same career path.
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