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I wonder what happens if the government loses the "matter-of-confidence vote" but the Commons also refuses to pass an actual FTPA no-conf
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Sep 3, 2019 02:38
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Josef bugman posted:I think he wants folks to love him. I am not even joking in a twisted way I am sure that Boris is trying desperately to get everyone to love him. But he's finally happened into what he thought he wanted, and it isn't filling the hole inside of him. I’m 99% sure you are right about this. I believe that a lot of womanisers, which is one of Boris’s most visible flaws, are driven by extreme approval-seeking behaviour. The clownishness works for this too. It doesn’t stop him being a dangerous proto-fascist poo poo but it maybe does explain why he developed that way instead of, say, taking his privilege and becoming Tony Benn Mk.2
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Sep 3, 2019 02:42
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I had dinner tonight with a family friend who described herself as a “natural Tory” but is intending to vote Labour in any election because of Brexit. So it’s working for one person at least. Oh and I finished watching the Dark Crystal series on Netflix earlier, and recommend it to everyone in this thread. Firstly because it’s generally and genuinely fantastic, but also because it’s an incredibly unsubtle Marxist allegory appropriate for children.
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Sep 3, 2019 02:48
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If someone described themselves as a "natural tory" to me I would interpret that as saying they're a paedophile tbh.
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Sep 3, 2019 02:52
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So are you guys going to another general election or what
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Sep 3, 2019 03:35
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Guavanaut posted:The Virgin Sun Tzu and the Chad von Clausewitz. The Virgin von Clausewitz and the Chad Sun Tzu t 
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Sep 3, 2019 03:40
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What time is this no no deal parliamentary shindig going down today?
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Sep 3, 2019 03:46
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Jezza is hosting an opposition leaders meeting first thing so I'd be guessing about dinner time but who even the gently caress knows.
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Sep 3, 2019 03:55
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Ms Adequate posted:The Virgin von Clausewitz and the Chad Sun Tzu t The only time I've seen someone reference Sun Tzu in a way that demonstrated they'd actually understood the Art of War was in the parody version in Jingo. It totally is worth reading, as long as you recognize the commentaries are the fun part. Feinne fucked around with this message at 03:59 on Sep 3, 2019 |
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Sep 3, 2019 03:56
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Feinne posted:The only time I've seen someone reference Sun Tzu in a way that demonstrated they'd actually understood the Art of War was in the parody version in Jingo. Interesting thing about working for a Chinese company: about 90% of the inspirational quotes our leadership uses are either Sun Tzu or Mao.
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Sep 3, 2019 04:31
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The problem with Sun Tzu is that people take it and, well, try to apply it to business and other fields. Like basically every other thinker, philosopher, or leader in history what he said has been misused and misquoted far more than it has been used accurately, but when you get to the work itself it turns out... Sun Tzu's famous for a reason! The standard thinking on my Strategic Studies MA was that von Clausewitz was the superior of the two (Though very few people had anyone else in their top two it should be noted), but I honestly think Big Sun the better. It's not that he necessarily said more that was insightful or useful, but that almost everything he says in The Art of War is of use, whilst von Clausewitz said an immense amount that was extremely good, and also quite a lot that was extremely centered in time and place or fell into minutiae. Not as bad as Machiavelli's The Art of War though, back then such manuals were almost entirely about minutiae like how your baggage train should be decorated and the precise distances your men should be apart from each other while marching. Not useless, as such, but not exactly enduring, nor the kind of thing generals and kings should need to worry much about.
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Sep 3, 2019 04:50
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Ms Adequate posted:The problem with Sun Tzu is that people take it and, well, try to apply it to business and other fields. Like basically every other thinker, philosopher, or leader in history what he said has been misused and misquoted far more than it has been used accurately, but when you get to the work itself it turns out... Sun Tzu's famous for a reason! It's interesting because the generals in the commentaries, while they'll often add in a bit more specifics, seem to track him as far as not bogging down in minutiae. Instead you get things like throwing shade on a fellow general who treated his officers like a supervillain treats henchmen.
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Sep 3, 2019 05:06
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cYG6Bw29o7U This BBC Music is a loving gaff they're playing the amityville horror fuckin theme song lmao
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Sep 3, 2019 07:01
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Ah, someone with true taste in waking hours
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Sep 3, 2019 07:01
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Ms Adequate posted:Going to sleep now, excited to see what madness tomorrow brings it'll be the same it's always the same
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Sep 3, 2019 07:22
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Tijuana Bibliophile posted:it'll be the same stronk and sable Why is every dictator 5'2? Johnson, Napoleon, I mean really WAR CRIME GIGOLO fucked around with this message at 07:32 on Sep 3, 2019 |
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Sep 3, 2019 07:30
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Sep 3, 2019 07:38
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Comrade Fakename posted:Oh and I finished watching the Dark Crystal series on Netflix earlier, and recommend it to everyone in this thread. Firstly because it’s generally and genuinely fantastic, but also because it’s an incredibly unsubtle Marxist allegory appropriate for children. I watched the first episode and it was more boring than the Silmarillion
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Sep 3, 2019 07:45
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Justine Greening giving up on bring a Tory MP, announced on Radio 4 she won't be standing at any next election
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Sep 3, 2019 07:45
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Boris's threat of not being an mp doesn't work on Tories who already have a director's job waiting for them. Who would have thought?
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Sep 3, 2019 07:47
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The smart ones will be frantically ditching the party for a consultant job yeah. Even if he wins the party's gonna be loving toxic to business for decades.
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Sep 3, 2019 08:04
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Jaeluni Asjil posted:https://twitter.com/MannersJack/status/1168504551126773761 Current joint lead is Labour and BXP at 33% each. I don't think this is going the way he thought it would.
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Sep 3, 2019 08:16
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Grieve just said he expects Corbyn to get the numbers to pass a GE vote, but he himself would probably abstain
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Sep 3, 2019 08:23
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Josef bugman posted:Why are all these people in charge so utterly and completely poo poo at it? The problem is that what the democratic system incentivises and selects for (the best manipulator) is not what most people actually want (the best leader). It’s a real-world version of that computer program that’s supposed to evolve a mechanism for walking across a virtual room but instead discovers how to break the simulation to get the maximum score. It probably can’t be fixed unless we adjust the incentives so that politics is an underpaid, thankless, and uncelebrated profession, so it only attracts people who actually want to make positive changes in the world. E: gently caress me what crack eyed moron coded this twitter embedding thing so it only happens in the middle of a paragraph of text you godforsaken wasteman https://mobile.twitter.com/JanelleCShane/status/974131257683537920 TACD fucked around with this message at 08:28 on Sep 3, 2019 |
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Sep 3, 2019 08:24
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I'm a Tory MP AMA (not that)
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Sep 3, 2019 08:32
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TACD posted:It probably can’t be fixed unless we adjust the incentives so that politics is an underpaid, thankless, and uncelebrated profession, so it only attracts people who actually want to make positive changes in the world. This may be the stupidest thing any human being has ever said. You know what else is an underpaid, thankless and uncelebrated job? Internships. You know who takes internships? Rich people who can afford to work for free. And can you perhaps guess how rich people who don't need the money vote? I'll give you a clue: they're every loving one of them a Tory. Your sterling plan would ensure that nobody who isn't a right wing shithead could afford to be an MP.
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Sep 3, 2019 08:35
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I said it before and I'll say it again: replace government with a computer. Even Samaritan would be better than what we have now.
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Sep 3, 2019 08:38
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Besides, the money in government comes from the power it provides, and someone will always hold that power - just the best method to decide who it so far is elected representatives. Power corrupts, or at least attracts the corrupt - same difference.
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Sep 3, 2019 08:40
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Jedit posted:This may be the stupidest thing any human being has ever said. You know what else is an underpaid, thankless and uncelebrated job? Internships. You know who takes internships? Rich people who can afford to work for free. And can you perhaps guess how rich people who don't need the money vote? I'll give you a clue: they're every loving one of them a Tory. Beat me to it (though I don’t think it’s a stupid assumption, just not a thought-through one). There’s a reason every successful anti-corruption drive in history has involved raising government salaries. Basically, don’t give people power and then make them dependent on abusing that power to have nice things.
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Sep 3, 2019 08:45
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TACD posted:They’re not poo poo at it; from their point of view they’re extremely good at it. The people in charge are extremely good at lying and buying their way into positions of power and failing upwards until they graduate from a senior role into the Lords or a cushy speaking gig. I think it is also something to do with the way many people think they want a strong leader. In actuality I think we need to accept that we can do more as a collective rather than just individuals. Also if you made politicians underpaid, thankless and uncelebrated you'd end up with actual rulership being taken over by another group much as we see in the USA. OwlFancier posted:When the golden boy goes away you're left with their dregs who only existed to prop up the big clever candidate, and then they all roll around in the poo poo trying to figure out who should be the best big clever candidate. Only none of them are because they weren't picked for being brilliant they were picked to do as they were told. That does seem worryingly prescient, and I think also helps to illustrate why Neo-Liberal economic systems are starting to come apart. With greater access to peoples internal thoughts via things like twitter it is becoming increasingly obvious that there is no consistent intellectual power justifying people in charge being there. It's seeing the wizard without the curtain as it were. BalloonFish posted:They were formed and nurtured by the initial wave which dismantled the post-war consensus. Speaking purely in terms of effectiveness (not support!) the Thatcherites had to form their ideas, propose a solution to the problems in the country, become the ideological centre of the Conservative party, win an election and then radically overhaul society into the form they wished. They had to work towards something and achieve it. That does seem worryingly accurate. Do you think any system can prevent this sort of ideological decay? Beefeater1980 posted:I’m 99% sure you are right about this. I believe that a lot of womanisers, which is one of Boris’s most visible flaws, are driven by extreme approval-seeking behaviour. The clownishness works for this too. It doesn’t stop him being a dangerous proto-fascist poo poo but it maybe does explain why he developed that way instead of, say, taking his privilege and becoming Tony Benn Mk.2 Mhm. Never having to do anything other than people please whilst also demanding pleasure from every single interaction. Boris is never going to be as powerful as he believes and is going to be manipulated by anyone who turns on the happiness spigot in his brain.
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AceOfFlames posted:I said it before and I'll say it again: replace government with a computer. Even Samaritan would be better than what we have now. Ah, an opportunity to bring back one of my favourite UKMT memes. DWP HAS FOUND YOU DWP HAS FOUND YOU DWP HAS FOUND YOU DWP HAS FOUND YOU DWP HAS FOUND YOU RUN WHILE YOU CAN RUN WHILE YOU CAN RUN WHILE YOU CAN RUN WHILE YOU CAN RUN WHILE YOU CAN
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Sep 3, 2019 08:47
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MPs didn't used to get paid and just like amateur sport it was filled with toffs crushing toffs and private property seems like a better plan
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Sep 3, 2019 08:49
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AceOfFlames posted:I said it before and I'll say it again: replace government with a computer. Even Samaritan would be better than what we have now. *computer finds exploit where good governance is best achieved through stabbing* Oh no! AceOfFlames' greatest fear!
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Sep 3, 2019 08:51
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MP pay should scale depending on your existing wealth and incomes.
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Beefeater1980 posted:Beat me to it (though I don’t think it’s a stupid assumption, just not a thought-through one). There’s a reason every successful anti-corruption drive in history has involved raising government salaries. Downside: 
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Ms Adequate posted:Ah, an opportunity to bring back one of my favourite UKMT memes. [from behind desk] Can walk unaided for 100 metres ✔
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Sep 3, 2019 08:52
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Being a legislator should be like being in the army: there should be a chance you'll die at any given moment
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