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Nuclear Spoon posted:is this philp guy filibustering. philperbustering No, this is a separate order.
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The Deleter posted:Bit late for that Clarkson you fuckwit Clarkson was always in favour of Remain as, which he doesn't like to advertise outside some photo essays in the Sunday times, he's actually a francophile
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Lmao https://twitter.com/MediaGuido/status/1168908930375999491?s=19
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this loving owns but also wtf is the target audience for this tweet
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The Deleter posted:Bit late for that Clarkson you fuckwit He's actually been saying variations on that for quite a while. Clarkson has always been a Remainer with a soft spot for revocation. Also, lol: https://twitter.com/simon_nixon/status/1168862880420311042?s=21 Your regular reminder that the prime minister's top strategist has this guy as his intellectual hero.
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bump_fn posted:this loving owns but also wtf is the target audience for this tweet Literally just Fox and Friends.
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It would be really loving funny if we defeated BoJo and and then voted down an election, leaving him standing around with absolutely no loving plan and having promised the Earth to everybody and failed miserably to deliver. Obviously then we have an election, but seriously just a few days of him being utterly humiliated would be awesome. The fact that he's going to be forced to deselect Winston Churchill's grandson is awesome enough.
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So, if the bill tonight passes but Johnson's subsequent call for an election fails, doesn't that mean that Parliament can potentially block no deal (however they go about it) and not let Johnson try to force us out through an election and/or prorogation? Cos that would be a pretty hilarious outcome, even if it means a bit longer in tory hellworld. Edit: what Jabby said.
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But Dominic Cummings reads the Art of War!!! How could he fail like this?!
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Doctor_Fruitbat posted:So, if the bill tonight passes but Johnson's subsequent call for an election fails, doesn't that mean that Parliament can potentially block no deal (however they go about it) and not let Johnson try to force us out through an election and/or prorogation? I suspect what they're trying to do - after Johnson made such a big thing about how he would never "go begging" for an extension- is to make him do exactly that, or force a constitutional crisis.
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Josef bugman posted:Do people get the feeling that a lot of the Remain side is starting to win, even with the normal very pro-leave press? There is only so much spin people can but up with and I think we are reaching that point. Maybe this particular fight but certainly not the war. Even if A50 gets revoked, this particular cat isn't going back in the bag - it'll just lead to the Tory party getting entirely consumed by the Brexit party.
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I honestly wasn't expecting the Boris project to crash and burn quite this quickly.
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Lol the guy accusing labour of hypocrisy for opposing NDB when that's been their single most consistent position the whole time
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Nuclear Spoon posted:watching on twitch was a good idea Give me the link to this NOW
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Josef bugman posted:Do people get the feeling that a lot of the Remain side is starting to win, even with the normal very pro-leave press? There is only so much spin people can but up with and I think we are reaching that point. We lost, and there is no evidence strongly suggesting we wouldn't lose again. I think this is the big issue, I've not seen a decent poll that shows a strong swing to remain (feel free to link one someone if you do) It's why I think Labours plan of pitting remain against no-deal was a good one, because I think only a NDB dealt a big enough blow to support to swing the vote.
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Sanitary Naptime posted:Give me the link to this NOW https://www.twitch.tv/ukparliament?twitch5=0 "standing by your principles doesn't always damage your prospects" lol JC is on it tonight
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mfcrocker posted:Maybe this particular fight but certainly not the war. Even if A50 gets revoked, this particular cat isn't going back in the bag - it'll just lead to the Tory party getting entirely consumed by the Brexit party. Oh I understand, but this battle feels more like an Austerlitz. It's a big showy win that can be used effectively and fundamentally demoralises your opponents.
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So we're going for the "rubbing the dogs nose in the rug it's pissed on" strategy then. That's a new one.
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"For those on the other side of the house, I have some words of encouragement for them: sticking to your principles doesn't always damage your future prospects." Pretty killer line from Corbyn. Pistol_Pete posted:I honestly wasn't expecting the Boris project to crash and burn quite this quickly. https://twitter.com/ShippersUnbound/status/1168938852200976384
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forkboy84 posted:Well, I've apparently got a 30 minute limit on watching parliament before I want to rip out my eardrums so I guess I'll come back in a couple hours Me too man, only I'm only on about a 10 minute cool down before I have to switch over or put my foot through the screen.
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Julio Cruz posted:as much as I like the idea of Boris failing at everything he does is having an October election not basically the best-case scenario right now? especially since there seem to be enough anti-No Deal votes to pass an amendment calling for an extension Ask for an extension because ???, though? You need to change your negotiating position, or your government, or have a second referendum.
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Thetobester posted:So we're going for the "rubbing the dogs nose in the rug it's pissed on" strategy then. That's a new one. It's not undeserved. wocobob posted:Wait, isn't a snap election what Corbyn wants? It'll be on labour's terms, not Johnson's
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Hi UKMT First off, thanks for all the kind folks from last thread that suggested setting up a GoFundMe or similar for my current financial crisis. You're all lovely people, and the generosity genuinely brought me to tears (several times). Thankfully I had a spot of good fortune and I'm due a tax rebate; thanks to hellworld time dilation I forgot that I was an actual salaried employee for three months last financial year so they've given me all my PAYE tax back. I'm currently enjoying Tory meltdown. Thread is great when the smell of blue blood is in the water.
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wocobob posted:Wait, isn't a snap election what Corbyn wants? A snap election on Johnson's terms where he can bluster about being hamstrung by parliament and traitors isn't as good as a GE called after he's had more time to look incredibly weak and unpopular
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Ornedan posted:Ask for an extension because ???, though? You need to change your negotiating position, or your government, or have a second referendum. The EU have said they will extend for a GE. I mean thsts usually how we change governments.
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wocobob posted:Wait, isn't a snap election what Corbyn wants? Let's delay a GE and let people suffer and starve for several more weeks to rub in in BJs face yes i know a JC gov won't insta-fix everything
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CUMMIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIINGS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Tsaedje posted:A snap election on Johnson's terms where he can bluster about being hamstrung by parliament and traitors isn't as good as a GE called after he's had more time to look incredibly weak and unpopular What would the second scenario come from? A Corbyn VONC? Would that give more of a chance to not crash out? (sorry, i've been out of the loop on uk politics for a few days)
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mfcrocker posted:Maybe this particular fight but certainly not the war. Even if A50 gets revoked, this particular cat isn't going back in the bag - it'll just lead to the Tory party getting entirely consumed by the Brexit party. So you're saying that the current party of government would collapse into a tiny, toxic cabal of far-right nutters in a FPTP system, and this doesn't excite you? Remind me, how are UKIP doing right now?
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Ratjaculation posted:Let's delay a GE and let people suffer and starve for several more weeks to rub in in BJs face I expect JC to get his agenda done in five years. He can massively increase government spending at least a few weeks after the election. The more substantial legislation would take a few years. Just think about it For the first time in 45 years, the British government will actually be progressive.
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