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Sanford posted:But elections have to be on a Thursday I can't cope with this Why are elections on thursdays?
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Because everyone will be too drunk on a friday to vote. (historically speaking) ((probably still accurate))
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Sep 4, 2019 09:01
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Tradition, ofc. I've heard it's so the plebs are the longest possible time from payday so won't be too pissed to turn out to vote.
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Sep 4, 2019 09:01
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OwlFancier posted:I mean yeah it's gonna be hard for labour to put together something that will appeal to everyone they need to. Oh absolutely. It's not going to be a 1997 cakewalk, but I think it being easy for the Tories is laughable.
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https://twitter.com/AdamWagner1/status/1168982702235815939?s=09 I love how the Tories are being given the benefit of the doubt over what is some blatant anti-Semitism.
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Sanford posted:Tradition, ofc. I've heard it's so the plebs are the longest possible time from payday so won't be too pissed to turn out to vote. I thought it was to give farmers time to make the three-day-trip* after the farmers market to get to the polling station *I assume it took that long to get around
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Beefeater1980 posted:I see our collective pretence as “these 650 individuals represent all of us, so we are OK with them making decisions”. It’s not the worst, tbh. Beefeater1980 posted:That works so long as the losers accept the validity of an election result. The more times in a row that happens the better. There’s a lot of evidence now from our and the US’s various post-colonial quote:During the South’s post-colonial decades, those successful Keynesian policies I mentioned earlier were rolled out by democratically-elected governments: Nkrumah in Ghana, Mossadegh in Iran, Arbenz in Guatemala, Allende in Chile, and many more. This legacy of progressive economics was destroyed by neoliberal structural adjustment, which worked only because it effectively shifted power over macroeconomic policy from the national parliaments of Southern countries to bankers and technocrats in Washington, New York and London. There was no democratic consent for neoliberalization. It was imposed from above – against a tsunami of popular riots.
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Mega Comrade posted:It depends. They want to first pass a block on no deal. The issue with just allowing an election to be called is Johnson can use it to delay the opposition and then move it at the last minute to after October 17th. Hes shown already he is willing to abuse his powers to undermine opposition. xtothez posted:Once an extension is legally secured, yes. They don't want to risk Boris overturning the bill once Parliament has shut down. Thank you.
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Sep 4, 2019 09:13
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Jesus Christ what the gently caress is going on.
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Sep 4, 2019 09:13
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<Philip Lee> I'm going to deny the tories their majority <Boris Johnson> Hold my beer
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Samovar posted:Jesus Christ what the gently caress is going on. Hope came to kick rear end and chew bubblegum. And it's all out of gum.
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Sep 4, 2019 09:16
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Qwertycoatl posted:<Philip Lee> I'm going to deny the tories their majority Hahaha someone make this into an image macro pls
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Sep 4, 2019 09:17
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Is there any way to compel ministers to obey Parliament other than a VONC/election?
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Sep 4, 2019 09:18
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coffeetable posted:Is there any way to compel ministers to obey Parliament other than a VONC/election? Parliament is Sovereign. The fact is that unless it passes through parliament it isn't getting passed as a law.
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Sep 4, 2019 09:22
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Hope is a lie etc. Dont jinx it goons lol
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Josef bugman posted:Parliament is Sovereign. The fact is that unless it passes through parliament it isn't getting passed as a law. what say parliament passes this no-no-deal-brexit bill. how does parliament prevent him from ignoring it? they can VONC him, but if a election follows the date can be set to after brexit day
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Sep 4, 2019 09:24
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coffeetable posted:Is there any way to compel ministers to obey Parliament other than a VONC/election? Suspension, expulsion or being sent to the dungeon Yes, seriously
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Sep 4, 2019 09:25
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Jippa posted:Why are elections on thursdays? Tradition, as people said. Specifically: they wanted to have elections on the working day furthest away from the Sunday so the clergy would be less likely to tell people how to vote. They decided on Thursday so the employers couldn't bribe their workers with beer, because they had to go out to work the next day.
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Sep 4, 2019 09:29
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Surely if he tried that there'd be actual riots.
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coffeetable posted:what refuse to vote for an election until an extension has been granted? maybe force him to ask the EU for a flexible date that gets set after an election occurs (although I don't know if they'd grant that), and only then do a VONC? I mean, he can't call an election on his own now
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Sep 4, 2019 09:30
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It's pretty great that neoliberalism has also imploded in Denmark, but here we have more than two parties and the implosion has not affected the coalition who's currently in charge.
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Sep 4, 2019 09:31
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coffeetable posted:what If it came down to it Parliament could just decide some rando was their representative an repel Article 50.
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Sep 4, 2019 09:32
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Hope isn't a lie?
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Sep 4, 2019 09:32
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UnlimitedSpessmans posted:Hope isn't a lie? Jokes. It is.
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Aramoro posted:If it came down to it Parliament could just decide some rando was their representative an repel Article 50. It's not like Johnson's prime minister anymore, lmao
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Sep 4, 2019 09:35
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Josef bugman posted:Parliament is Sovereign. The fact is that unless it passes through parliament it isn't getting passed as a law. coffeetable posted:what Specifically I believe parliament could vote to hold the government in contempt at which point Bercow gets to break out his goon squad and lock them all in the tower. We might need a bigger tower though. Also I think it's elizabeth tower? Which is currently the one with all the scaffolding on it so that might be complicated too.
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Sep 4, 2019 09:37
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Morning all A Cummings Brain hot take: they're going to restore the whip as a reward for tories who come back to the fold for today's vote. Not sure how many it's going to work on but certainly not the MPs who have already said they're not standing again. They need 14 of 21 back to prevent the no-no-deal bill from passing without any more Labour/Independent wavierers. The parliamentary mathematics just doesn't seem to be there
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Sep 4, 2019 09:38
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Have they actually withdrawn the whip for the rebels?
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Sep 4, 2019 09:42
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As far as I know yeah. Or in either case the understanding is they can't stand again which is basically the same thing lol. Boris just made 20 odd tories have nothing to lose, it's great 
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Sep 4, 2019 09:43
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Flipswitch posted:Have they actually withdrawn the whip for the rebels? Yes, Rory said it was withdrawn via a text message
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Sep 4, 2019 09:46
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Qwertycoatl posted:Yes, Rory said it was withdrawn via a text message
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CGI Stardust posted:refuse to vote for an election until an extension has been granted? maybe force him to ask the EU for a flexible date that gets set after an election occurs (although I don't know if they'd grant that), and only then do a VONC? I mean, he can't call an election on his own now OwlFancier posted:Specifically I believe parliament could vote to hold the government in contempt at which point Bercow gets to break out his goon squad and lock them all in the tower. Gum posted:Suspension, expulsion or being sent to the dungeon coffeetable fucked around with this message at 09:52 on Sep 4, 2019 |
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Sep 4, 2019 09:48
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No I'm pretty sure that's the actual point of the serjeant, to enforce parliamentary power against anyone and everyone. The role of the speaker is traditionally opposed to the monarch, they're supposed to be the guy that parliament sends to argue with the sovereign, hence why it's notionally a position nobody wants because the sovereign might decapitate them if they don't like what they say. OwlFancier fucked around with this message at 09:54 on Sep 4, 2019 |
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Sep 4, 2019 09:51
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OwlFancier posted:No I'm pretty sure that's the actual point of the serjeant, to enforce parliamentary power against anyone and everyone. went to check this and quote:In serving the Warrant, the Serjeant or his appointee may call on the full assistance of the civil authorities, including the police. great - so the PaDP would obey the serjeant. ta all
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PMQ's today is gona slap
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what's the likelihood of the lib dems facing a crisis after welcoming in a bunch of ex-tories. obviously that LGBT chair resigning was one thing but surely most of them don't actually care right
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Samovar posted:Jesus Christ what the gently caress is going on. "Even with whipping a shaky Johnson is struggling to stay up."
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Nuclear Spoon posted:what's the likelihood of the lib dems facing a crisis after welcoming in a bunch of ex-tories. obviously that LGBT chair resigning was one thing but surely most of them don't actually care right LDs are apparently just Tories with even greater levels of cowardice, don't think they'll object
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Doccykins posted:Morning all That is a Cumbrain take indeed  Honestly, if you were sacked by text message late last night for the great crime of evolving a rudimentary spine, and the following morning you got a weasely call from your 'boss' that he'd really like you back under the exact same conditions, how would you respond?
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Nuclear Spoon posted:what's the likelihood of the lib dems facing a crisis after welcoming in a bunch of ex-tories. obviously that LGBT chair resigning was one thing but surely most of them don't actually care right From what I've seen, lgbt link dems are pissed at the leadership and non-lgbt lib dems are pissed at lgbt libs for daring to put their rights above the interest of the party
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