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ptkfvk
Apr 30, 2013

most of the people who live in appalachia dont vote. listen to the trillbillies podcast. they are from whitesburg. they talk about all this.

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Mr Interweb
Aug 25, 2004
Probation
Can't post for 4 hours!

ptkfvk posted:

most of the people who live in appalachia dont vote. listen to the trillbillies podcast. they are from whitesburg. they talk about all this.

i find this hard to believe. voting is the one thing aside from being racist that conservatives are raised to do without fail

Philthy
Jan 28, 2003

Pillbug

FMguru posted:

Here's what the UK equivalent of this thread would carry (if there were a UK version of this thread)

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/sep/03/dover-no-deal-brexit-car-park

I wish this would just be done already and let it loving crumble. When Nov 1 comes with no deal, they'll push it down the road another 6 months to avoid a global crash.

Freaking Crumbum
Apr 17, 2003

Too fuck to drunk


Relin posted:

people will just move back in (unless you mean the parts that are underwater) if they can afford it. people keep rebuilding in hurricane zones every year without learning any lessons (aside from the poor who cant move)

i mean that climate change is going to kill off a ton of people that voted for the politicians that enacted the policies that will cause the global collapse. when these people die in some part of the country / world that's then uninhabitable due to environmental collapse, what use are the assets that get left behind? houses specifically are notorious for being immobile, but i figure capital must have some back-pocket plan for that poo poo because they literally can't NOT have some angle planned to keep the grift going.

like right now there's literally more unoccupied homes across the US than homeless people, but obviously the banks aren't just going to agree to let people live in them rent free. but what's the plan when the outstanding inventory of unoccupied homes MASSIVELY outnumbers the total population of people that could even theoretically occupy them, let alone what happens when said homes are located somewhere that no human can survive?

TotalLossBrain
Oct 20, 2010

Hier graben!

Shipon
Nov 7, 2005

Freaking Crumbum posted:

i mean that climate change is going to kill off a ton of people that voted for the politicians that enacted the policies that will cause the global collapse. when these people die in some part of the country / world that's then uninhabitable due to environmental collapse, what use are the assets that get left behind? houses specifically are notorious for being immobile, but i figure capital must have some back-pocket plan for that poo poo because they literally can't NOT have some angle planned to keep the grift going.

like right now there's literally more unoccupied homes across the US than homeless people, but obviously the banks aren't just going to agree to let people live in them rent free. but what's the plan when the outstanding inventory of unoccupied homes MASSIVELY outnumbers the total population of people that could even theoretically occupy them, let alone what happens when said homes are located somewhere that no human can survive?

they don't have a loving plan

capital accumulation is an autonomous system with no foresight or ability to plan beyond its immediate quarter. it can and will destroy itself in the future to give it a slight advantage now. the actors are all interchangeable, it's the interactions between them that give rise to this

Serf
May 5, 2011


Mr Interweb posted:

i find this hard to believe. voting is the one thing aside from being racist that conservatives are raised to do without fail

most people in appalachia aren't conservatives

J.A.B.C.
Jul 2, 2007

There's no need to rush to be an adult.


Shipon posted:

they don't have a loving plan

capital accumulation is an autonomous system with no foresight or ability to plan beyond its immediate quarter. it can and will destroy itself in the future to give it a slight advantage now. the actors are all interchangeable, it's the interactions between them that give rise to this

This.

They would burn the world to increase profits, then short their shares and move on once it dries up. They see a bank account like a score board: all that matters is that your numbers go up, and the other numbers don't grow more than yours.

As for moving on: they don't understand that this is it. Either they are counting on going to heaven when they die, or to a summer home once they get ousted for being a sex pest or criminal sociopath. They never knew and will never know consequence for being poo poo.

FMguru
Sep 10, 2003

peed on;
sexually
Post celebrities telling Trump voters that they should die under Trump here

https://twitter.com/THEVOlDZ/status/1168575247613931520

I didn't think I could like Michael Shannon any more than I already did, but then this.

ElGroucho
Nov 1, 2005

We already - What about sticking our middle fingers up... That was insane
Fun Shoe
lmfao

Michael Shannon rules

The Realest Chicago Dude of All Time

Tashilicious
Jul 17, 2016

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

FMguru posted:

Post celebrities telling Trump voters that they should die under Trump here

https://twitter.com/THEVOlDZ/status/1168575247613931520

I didn't think I could like Michael Shannon any more than I already did, but then this.

it's an old article but it checks out

FMguru
Sep 10, 2003

peed on;
sexually
"It's time for the urn" is a hell of a statement.

Knight
Dec 23, 2000

SPACE-A-HOLIC
Taco Defender
"You're an orphan now" tickles me in a Ron Paul "Kill your parents" way.

yorkinshire
Apr 28, 2009

In space no one can hear your dope beats.
Shannon is great as the self-flagellating prohi in boardwalk empire.

Saros
Dec 29, 2009

Its almost like we're a Bureaucracy, in space!

I set sail for the Planet of Lab Requisitions!!

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/sep/03/disaster-wigan-voters-little-appetite-election
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/may/29/wigan-labour-brexit-lisa-nandy-second-referendum-brexit-party

More Brexiteers.

quote:

As for the European Union, he wants out. “My dad didn’t fight in world war two, and his dad in world war one, to be governed by this bunch of tossers that we haven’t voted for,” he said. Martin’s business would be harmed by a no-deal Brexit, pushing up the cost of flowers imported from the Netherlands. But it would still be worth it, he said: “I just want to be out.”

quote:

On their rugs stall, Ray and Jane Woolley said they too had stopped voting Labour, because “they let too many people in”. Both voted to leave and said the debate had been taken over by “doom and gloom scaremongerers”.

Martin and the Woolleys bemoan the “collapse” of shopping in their market, which is only half-occupied on Tuesday... “Me and my wife knew, before we came into Europe and everything was OK, you could get a job and save up for a house. You can’t do it now. They’ve inflated all the prices, Europe,” said Ray Woolley.

These people are already suffering due to the Conservatives and Austerity but would be utterly destroyed by Brexit. Yet here we are.

Freaking Crumbum
Apr 17, 2003

Too fuck to drunk


J.A.B.C. posted:

This.

They would burn the world to increase profits, then short their shares and move on once it dries up. They see a bank account like a score board: all that matters is that your numbers go up, and the other numbers don't grow more than yours.

As for moving on: they don't understand that this is it. Either they are counting on going to heaven when they die, or to a summer home once they get ousted for being a sex pest or criminal sociopath. They never knew and will never know consequence for being poo poo.

yeah but at the same time, capital will figure out how to monetize the death squeal of the pig as it's slaughtered in the abattoir because it compulsively has to make number go up.

so i guess to update my original question, i agree they might not have an explicit plan now, but i'm still curious how they'll try and monetize a bunch of "valuable" assets that can no longer be occupied because they exist in spaces that are uninhabitable for humans.

terrified of my bathroom
Jan 24, 2014

GAY BOATS

Freaking Crumbum posted:

yeah but at the same time, capital will figure out how to monetize the death squeal of the pig as it's slaughtered in the abattoir because it compulsively has to make number go up.

so i guess to update my original question, i agree they might not have an explicit plan now, but i'm still curious how they'll try and monetize a bunch of "valuable" assets that can no longer be occupied because they exist in spaces that are uninhabitable for humans.

capital doesn't require things to have a real world value, they can just say "these houses are worth x" and trade them around the market from investor to investor as a meaningless asset

Brother Tadger
Feb 15, 2012

I'm accidentally a suicide bomber!

they’ll cannibalize the old homes, etc. as cheap building materials for the McMansion compounds they’ll build in Greenland and upper Canada

ikanreed
Sep 25, 2009

I honestly I have no idea who cannibal[SIC] is and I do not know why I should know.

syq dude, just syq!
One thing this thread forgets is that as long as someone else suffers more conservatives are actually happy

A Wizard of Goatse
Dec 14, 2014

Freaking Crumbum posted:

yeah but at the same time, capital will figure out how to monetize the death squeal of the pig as it's slaughtered in the abattoir because it compulsively has to make number go up.

so i guess to update my original question, i agree they might not have an explicit plan now, but i'm still curious how they'll try and monetize a bunch of "valuable" assets that can no longer be occupied because they exist in spaces that are uninhabitable for humans.

It's not like this'd be the first time capital's laid waste to a piece of formerly rich land, and we can't observe what's happened to colonies, the rust belt, etc.; the answer is they'll use the money they made bleeding the region dry to move on to a new victim if one is available and simply die if one is not.

There is no grand scheme and simply because they must grow or die does not mean that they're all that great at turning setbacks into growth; even with literally the entire world at its disposal and more unexploited resources and slave labor than the plutocrats could hope to consume in a lifetime capital causes cyclical recessions where everyone loses their shirt every decade.

FMguru posted:

Post celebrities telling Trump voters that they should die under Trump here

https://twitter.com/THEVOlDZ/status/1168575247613931520

I didn't think I could like Michael Shannon any more than I already did, but then this.

Sanders/Shannon 2020: It's Time For The Urn

A Wizard of Goatse has issued a correction as of 17:02 on Sep 4, 2019

InsertPotPun
Apr 16, 2018

Pissy Bitch stan

Saros posted:

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/sep/03/disaster-wigan-voters-little-appetite-election
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/may/29/wigan-labour-brexit-lisa-nandy-second-referendum-brexit-party

More Brexiteers.

quote:

On their rugs stall, Ray and Jane Woolley said they too had stopped voting Labour, because “they let too many people in”. Both voted to leave and said the debate had been taken over by “doom and gloom scaremongerers”.

Martin and the Woolleys bemoan the “collapse” of shopping in their market, which is only half-occupied on Tuesday... “Me and my wife knew, before we came into Europe and everything was OK, you could get a job and save up for a house. You can’t do it now. They’ve inflated all the prices, Europe,” said Ray Woolley.
"We need to keep these people out because they raise crime and conquer neighborhoods and behead PEOPLE DUE TO SHARIA LAAAAAAAW! Also I'm sick of all the scare mongering about Brexit."

Grape
Nov 16, 2017

Happily shilling for China!

ikanreed posted:

One thing this thread forgets is that as long as someone else suffers more conservatives are actually happy

lol at these people being happy.
They're depressed wretches, and they numb the pain with racism/classism what have you. But it never heals the wounds and so they stay mad and stupid and racist forever until they die.

ElGroucho
Nov 1, 2005

We already - What about sticking our middle fingers up... That was insane
Fun Shoe
But but but class warfare!

gently caress that, death to all racists

Cocaine Bear
Nov 4, 2011

ACAB

ElGroucho posted:

gently caress that, death to all racists

Good thread title.

ikanreed
Sep 25, 2009

I honestly I have no idea who cannibal[SIC] is and I do not know why I should know.

syq dude, just syq!

ElGroucho posted:

But but but class warfare!

gently caress that, death to all racists

It turns out killing the ultra rich kills a lot of structural racism free of charge.

Grape
Nov 16, 2017

Happily shilling for China!

ikanreed posted:

It turns out killing the ultra rich kills a lot of structural racism free of charge.

lollll
This is like believing killing a guy who was pouring HIV infected blood into the water supply for decades will make the infection vanish entirely.

ikanreed
Sep 25, 2009

I honestly I have no idea who cannibal[SIC] is and I do not know why I should know.

syq dude, just syq!

Grape posted:

lollll
This is like believing killing a guy who was pouring HIV infected blood into the water supply for decades will make the infection vanish entirely.

It's not like I don't see the dumbass kind if racism too. Or the nazi kind

A Wizard of Goatse
Dec 14, 2014

Grape posted:

lollll
This is like believing killing a guy who was pouring HIV infected blood into the water supply for decades will make the infection vanish entirely.

i'm pretty sure that's not how HIV works but also fairly sure it'd stop him pouring more blood in faster than you can treat people (or... kill the patients? idk what you're suggesting)

yeah there is no practical means of fixing hardbitten racists as a group once they've become entrenched in their bullshit, if you eliminated all sources of racism it'd still take decades to make those guys go away. That still leaves you with eliminating the sources as the main practical thing you can do about the situation.

A Wizard of Goatse has issued a correction as of 17:18 on Sep 4, 2019

Weaponized Autism
Mar 26, 2006

All aboard the Gravy train!
Hair Elf

FMguru posted:

Post celebrities telling Trump voters that they should die under Trump here

https://twitter.com/THEVOlDZ/status/1168575247613931520

I didn't think I could like Michael Shannon any more than I already did, but then this.


lol

no offense or anything, but you should die now

Philthy
Jan 28, 2003

Pillbug
The entire world is losing their poo poo over Capitalism. Technology has advanced so far that globalism is everywhere.

Embrace the Star Trek socialist Utopia or dieeeee

Powered Descent
Jul 13, 2008

We haven't had that spirit here since 1969.

ptkfvk posted:

trillbillies

Apparently that's a podcast but the name still creates an amusing mental image for a Trekkie. I'm imagining Cletus Dax.

ElGroucho
Nov 1, 2005

We already - What about sticking our middle fingers up... That was insane
Fun Shoe
If you don't want luxury space communism, kill yourself

Unironically

hobbesmaster
Jan 28, 2008

ElGroucho posted:

If you don't want luxury space communism, kill yourself

Unironically

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NSap2w7wa-I

ikanreed
Sep 25, 2009

I honestly I have no idea who cannibal[SIC] is and I do not know why I should know.

syq dude, just syq!

ElGroucho posted:

If you don't want luxury space communism, kill yourself

Unironically

I want pragmatic common sense Spartan space communism

A Wizard of Goatse
Dec 14, 2014


after the revolution terrible Boris and Natasha accents will be mandatory

BoredDG
Aug 10, 2013


A Wizard of Goatse posted:

Sanders/Shannon 2020: It's Time For The Urn

Bern or Urn

An insane mind
Aug 11, 2018

I love telling the techbro chuds my brother has to work with and who vote loving FvD when they gush about Stark Trek (which they do, a lot TOS TNG and DS9 debates are common) "You...do realize Star Trek is set in a Socialist Utopia right?"

"Nah man! Pinnacle of humanity, aliens gotta listen to us...it's Randian man, we're just the best."

"Y-You can't honestly believe that...a Federation that looks out for its workers/members and gives everyone an equal chance in its system."

"Man, you gotta read Atlas Shrugged, it'll blow your ff'in mind you commie."

I cleaned it up a bit, but almost word for word.

Avirosb
Nov 21, 2016

Everyone makes pisstakes

ElGroucho posted:

If you don't want luxury space communism, kill yourself

Unironically

Is that any different from gay?

Epic High Five
Jun 5, 2004



Strictly speaking, the Star Trek universe is a Posadist one

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ElGroucho
Nov 1, 2005

We already - What about sticking our middle fingers up... That was insane
Fun Shoe

An insane mind posted:

I love telling the techbro chuds my brother has to work with and who vote loving FvD when they gush about Stark Trek (which they do, a lot TOS TNG and DS9 debates are common) "You...do realize Star Trek is set in a Socialist Utopia right?"

"Nah man! Pinnacle of humanity, aliens gotta listen to us...it's Randian man, we're just the best."

"Y-You can't honestly believe that...a Federation that looks out for its workers/members and gives everyone an equal chance in its system."

"Man, you gotta read Atlas Shrugged, it'll blow your ff'in mind you commie."

I cleaned it up a bit, but almost word for word.

Anybody who is older than 18 and doesn't see Atlas Shrugged for the absolute wet fart it is deserves instadeath imo

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