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| Joe Biden, the Klansman |
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8 | 0.91% |
| Bernie Sanders, the Hand Flailer |
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578 | 65.76% |
| Elizabeth Warren, the Plan Maker |
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185 | 21.05% |
| Kamala Harris, the Cop Lord |
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4 | 0.46% |
| Cory Booker, the Super Hero Wannabe |
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0 | 0% |
| Julian Castro, the Twin |
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3 | 0.34% |
| Kirsten Gillibrand, the Franken Killer |
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3 | 0.34% |
| Pete Buttigieg, the Troop Sociopath |
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9 | 1.02% |
| Robert Francis O'Rourke, the Fake Latino |
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2 | 0.23% |
| Jay Inslee, the Climate Alarmist |
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4 | 0.46% |
| Marianne Williamson, the Crystal Queen |
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19 | 2.16% |
| Andrew Yang, the $1000 Fool |
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19 | 2.16% |
| Tulsi Gabbard, the Muslim Hater |
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8 | 0.91% |
| Amy Klobuchar, the Comb Enthusiast |
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1 | 0.11% |
| Just like in real life, nobody voted for Hickenlooper |
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2 | 0.23% |
| Jeffrey Epstein, the MCC Most Hated |
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9 | 1.02% |
| KKKillary KKKlinton |
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16 | 1.82% |
| Some other idiot not in this list |
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9 | 1.02% |
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User0015 posted:Cost? Part of the cost calculation in UBI is assuming about 1.5 - 1.8T out of the 3.4T it costs a year comes from already existing social safety nets. If we simply added on, you'd start seeing costs exceed 4.5 to 5T a year. That might even be doable, but I'm also fine with piloting UBI first and then growing safety net budgets if needed if that doesn't account for enough. Here's a radical thought: Maybe letting some Silicon Valley techbro billionaire slash the everloving gently caress out of the social safety net without an actual proven replacement is, in fact, a bad thing?
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Sep 4, 2019 23:40
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she was talking about the PhillyBuster food truck, obviously
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Sep 4, 2019 23:52
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Nah, Kamala isn't going to back track on gnd. She will instead create a policy of tax credits for adding bike racks in under served communities, call that "green new deal" and use every endorsement of the existing gnd as if it was an endorsement of her policy.
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Sep 4, 2019 23:54
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https://twitter.com/_waleedshahid/status/1169383337909260288 This strikes me as a not-bad thing.
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Sep 4, 2019 23:57
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The editor of the Root getting eviscerated for bad faith tweets is cool and good.
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Sep 5, 2019 00:04
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Majorian posted:https://twitter.com/_waleedshahid/status/1169383337909260288 This guy was mocking and openly hostile to the left only a few weeks ago. Internals got his rear end scared.
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Sep 5, 2019 00:06
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Nonsense posted:This guy was mocking and openly hostile to the left only a few weeks ago. Internals got his rear end scared. That and the unending stream of horrific press that the DCCC's been getting this entire election season.
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Sep 5, 2019 00:07
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Pakistani Brad Pitt posted:
CNN lost an important bit of context there. What she actually said (or, at least, what her campaign tweeted) is that she'll pass a Green New Deal, not the Green New Deal. https://twitter.com/KamalaHarris/status/1169376592419786755 Let's not forget how many Democrats say they support "Medicare for All" - but not Bernie's Medicare for All. To be fair, Harris is a co-sponsor of AOC's Green New Deal bill. But on the other hand, she's also a co-sponsor of Bernie's Medicare For All bill, yet she was caught at the Hamptons a week or two ago saying she didn't actually support it. https://twitter.com/AlxThomp/status/1163422811165286405
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Sep 5, 2019 00:08
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Also Court packing is definitely correct. too bad so sad we’re gonna do it get over it libs https://twitter.com/mjs_DC/status/1169370090145554433?s=20
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Sep 5, 2019 00:08
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:Here's the thing: 100% agreed that a VAT tax is regressive in a vacuum. But that VAT tax won't be in a vacuum. Combine it with UBI, M4A, his plan to introduce free child care, paid time off, single parent assistance along with a host of other social proposals, and I would expect to see a gain even on the low end. But let's say you're right: In either scenario they choose, their cost of living goes up instead of down and they end up paying more shopping from Amazon. Compare those numbers with a min wage increase to $15 an hour. With UBI, the wage increase is roughly $6 tax free, so given Amazon will raise prices regardless of a VAT Tax + UBI or a minimum wage hike, what is the cost difference going to look like for the poorest consumers? I'd bet not much different in the end. But Amazon would continue to pay zero taxes in one of those two cases.
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Sep 5, 2019 00:08
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If you decreased all tax rates to zero imagine how much the consumer would save!!!1 Congrats, you are a republican parrot or a loving moron. In either case, sorry for your lots
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Sep 5, 2019 00:18
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Oh my God the brainworms are eating their own. https://twitter.com/rethe125/status/1169358350934585345 e: Also I didn't see this posted yet: https://twitter.com/ryangrim/status/1169354932492931074 Majorian fucked around with this message at 00:25 on Sep 5, 2019 |
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Sep 5, 2019 00:20
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User0015 posted:Cost? Part of the cost calculation in UBI is assuming about 1.5 - 1.8T out of the 3.4T it costs a year comes from already existing social safety nets. If we simply added on, you'd start seeing costs exceed 4.5 to 5T a year. That might even be doable, but I'm also fine with piloting UBI first and then growing safety net budgets if needed if that doesn't account for enough. That's the fundamental flaw in every aspect of Yang's UBI plans - whenever he needs to hurt one group in order to help everyone, he chooses the poor to bear the pain. Cutting programs for the poor in order to hand out money to the middle and upper classes is a downright silly approach. He could raise a couple trillion dollars with progressive income or wealth taxes, but he prefers to make that money by imposing regressive sales taxes and slashing services for those who are worst-off. User0015 posted:100% agreed that a VAT tax is regressive in a vacuum. But that VAT tax won't be in a vacuum. Combine it with UBI, M4A, his plan to introduce free child care, paid time off, single parent assistance along with a host of other social proposals, and I would expect to see a gain even on the low end. Yang doesn't have a plan to introduce free childcare, unless you have insider info about something he hasn't released yet. And he's backtracked significantly on M4A as well; for instance, he scrubbed all mention of "single payer" from his website back in April, and his current site is so vague about his current healthcare stance that it doesn't really say anything.
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Sep 5, 2019 00:34
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User0015 posted:Cost? Part of the cost calculation in UBI is assuming about 1.5 - 1.8T out of the 3.4T it costs a year comes from already existing social safety nets. If we simply added on, you'd start seeing costs exceed 4.5 to 5T a year. That might even be doable, but I'm also fine with piloting UBI first and then growing safety net budgets if needed if that doesn't account for enough. How many people currently benefit from the services you're saying we need to cut for yangbux? Because if it's less than half of the country, then either the numbers here are ludicrously wrong, or they're based on some people opting in to yangbux and losing more than a thousand bucks a month in benefits, or both. My money's on both.
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Sep 5, 2019 00:45
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1glitch0 posted:Probably she only gets 40, and then take a break for jibber jabber while they set up for Biden. Tom Perez: See?! We were right to not hold a debate on this! e: https://twitter.com/kaitlin_sb/status/1169401266784493568 Biden's taking a beating tonight so far. Loving it. Majorian fucked around with this message at 01:07 on Sep 5, 2019 |
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Sep 5, 2019 00:57
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Majorian posted:Oh my God the brainworms are eating their own. lol someone just asked Joe about this
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Sep 5, 2019 01:09
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DC Murderverse posted:lol someone just asked Joe about this And Cooper's not letting him wiggle out of it, either. Good stuff. e: HOLY poo poo, "I didn't realize [the exec whose fundraiser I'm going to right after this] does that!"
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Sep 5, 2019 01:10
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lol joe doesn't even know the people whose fundraisers he's going to
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Sep 5, 2019 01:11
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DC Murderverse posted:lol joe doesn't even know the people whose fundraisers he's going to Doesn't care, either.
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Sep 5, 2019 01:15
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Main Paineframe posted:That's the fundamental flaw in every aspect of Yang's UBI plans - whenever he needs to hurt one group in order to help everyone, he chooses the poor to bear the pain. Cutting programs for the poor in order to hand out money to the middle and upper classes is a downright silly approach. He could raise a couple trillion dollars with progressive income or wealth taxes, but he prefers to make that money by imposing regressive sales taxes and slashing services for those who are worst-off. Besides the VAT, he's mentioned capital gains and carried interest taxes. He also has taxes on market trades, which I assume is pretty much bernie's plan of taxing high-frequency trading. I think it's more an issue that all of these taxes he could levy on people will just be circumvented in some way. Part of the reason a VAT is on the table among any other taxation method is specifically because avoiding VAT is near impossible, which is precisely what most of these businesses have been doing for so long already. You're right about the childcare. He mentions tax credits for it, but that's a wet fart compared to freely available childcare. Single payer is here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uPqmThOc5lI&t=68s TL;DR is he wants to remove private insurers except for super rich people who want to pay piles of money for some reason, roll out medicare for everyone and allow the government to negotiate drug prices.
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Sep 5, 2019 01:16
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DC Murderverse posted:lol joe doesn't even know the people whose fundraisers he's going to joe doesn't seem to be aware of where he is right now either
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Sep 5, 2019 01:19
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Man, Biden is really not coming off as a "happy warrior," as they say.
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Sep 5, 2019 01:35
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SO. MANY. NEW. JOBS
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Sep 5, 2019 01:35
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Majorian posted:Oh my God the brainworms are eating their own. Ok but what if he didn't have a face for some reason  I had a half an idea for a joke when I made this but I can't remember what the hell it was. Hopefully somebody can find a funny use for them 
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Sep 5, 2019 01:43
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https://twitter.com/lib_crusher/status/1169407359921348608 Old man Biden not doing so hot tonight?
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Sep 5, 2019 01:44
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https://twitter.com/SymoneDSanders/status/1169403850928902144 Look. A paid liar is lying.
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Sep 5, 2019 01:47
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https://twitter.com/BernieBroStar/status/1169374612729282560?s=19 Can't wait to see the audience plants that ask Bernie questions all get outed as the children of oil execs.
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Sep 5, 2019 01:47
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Crowd's more Bernie-friendly than I thought. Nice. "If you're in the fossil fuel industry, you're gonna be paying higher taxes, that's for sure!"
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Sep 5, 2019 01:49
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mcmagic posted:https://twitter.com/SymoneDSanders/status/1169403850928902144 https://twitter.com/OkieLibSherry/status/1169405639904374789?s=20 c'mon Symone, gotta do better than that
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Sep 5, 2019 01:54
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I have a weird acquaintance that supports Bernie but also defends VAT because he says the IRS can simply refund the money to those that needed it. E.g. yang tax, poor person pays tax on food, gets that tax money back because they're poor. I said that hurts them because they live paycheck to paycheck. He said the system can pay them back every week or month, doesnt have to be once a year. How do I respond to that? Aside from saying regressive vat tax is bad and also rich people can avoid it
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Sep 5, 2019 01:57
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Ranter posted:I have a weird acquaintance that supports Bernie but also defends VAT because he says the IRS can simply refund the money to those that needed it. E.g. yang tax, poor person pays tax on food, gets that tax money back because they're poor. I said that hurts them because they live paycheck to paycheck. He said the system can pay them back every week or month, doesnt have to be once a year. How do I respond to that? Aside from saying regressive vat tax is bad and also rich people can avoid it How the hell is someone living paycheck to paycheck supposed to fill out itemized monthly tax returns Vat bad
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Sep 5, 2019 02:01
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Ranter posted:I have a weird acquaintance that supports Bernie but also defends VAT because he says the IRS can simply refund the money to those that needed it. E.g. yang tax, poor person pays tax on food, gets that tax money back because they're poor. I said that hurts them because they live paycheck to paycheck. He said the system can pay them back every week or month, doesnt have to be once a year. How do I respond to that? Aside from saying regressive vat tax is bad and also rich people can avoid it This same idea was floated for the flat tax, i.e. we'll just send millions of people a monthly check to make up the difference. The problem is that such a system requires a MASSIVE amount of bureaucracy to carry out, requires poor people to jump through even more hoops than they already do to prove they deserve the refunds, and as you noted to your very dimwitted friend, offering a refund assumes they can afford the higher cost in the first place. Long story short: if your tax is so burdensome that you need to institute a massive refund apparatus to make it work, then maybe you should try a different taxation model. There are a lot of ways to do taxes that don't hurt the poor, so maybe try one of those. Edit: And of course "the IRS can simply refund the money" is the most laughable statement ever. I doubt the current IRS could keep up with that sort of workload. Staffing the IRS to the levels necessary to accomplish the work would require years of buildout while people starve due to six month processing delays and erroneous denials that require you to miss work on a Tuesday to show up to an appeal hearing. Wicked Them Beats fucked around with this message at 02:08 on Sep 5, 2019 |
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Sep 5, 2019 02:03
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Hes saying they dont need to fill anything out regularly. The IT systems at the other end will send them the money back pronto, but the private business must be regulated to send such info back in real time.
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Sep 5, 2019 02:04
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overmind2000 posted:I don't remember registering in the past few years as my state has an open primary, but I might have registered back in 2008 or something. Based on the state you lived in, if you voted in a Democratic primary, that would be public information.
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Sep 5, 2019 02:06
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Ranter posted:Hes saying they dont need to fill anything out regularly. The IT systems at the other end will send them the money back pronto, but the private business must be regulated to send such info back in real time. Lots of poor folks don't have fixed addresses and it's ridiculous to think that kind of itemized regular recompense is possible. You'd lose more in admin costs than you'd gain.
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Ranter posted:Hes saying they dont need to fill anything out regularly. The IT systems at the other end will send them the money back pronto, but the private business must be regulated to send such info back in real time. What? Does he think the IRS logs all purchases individually or something? How will the IRS know I bought three loaves of bread and saw the doctor and am due X amount of tax money without me telling them?
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Sep 5, 2019 02:09
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Ranter posted:Hes saying they dont need to fill anything out regularly. The IT systems at the other end will send them the money back pronto, but the private business must be regulated to send such info back in real time. He has no idea how tax collecting actually works then, there's no point in debating with him because he's living in a fantasy.
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Sep 5, 2019 02:10
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Sep 5, 2019 02:11
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A tax ID number per merchant/transaction isn’t the dumbest idea ever suggested. If I can enter the vat ID for Subway and then the ID for my receipt and get the tax deposited to me, that’s cool.
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Wicked Them Beats posted:What? Does he think the IRS logs all purchases individually or something? How will the IRS know I bought three loaves of bread and saw the doctor and am due X amount of tax money without me telling them? Those private businesses must have an IT system to connect back to the IRS in real time. Hes saying all such problems eith vat could be solved with tech but the government must impose and pay for it.
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