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Oh my god, that would be so much more humiliating than even just losing the election! I’m just lolling to myself thinking about the fact that this colossal idiot was the overwhelming favourite to win the Tory leadership from well before the contest began. Even the Republicans had to be dragged to the Trump train kicking and screaming. E: 89 is like a 69 where one participant is too fat and lazy to put any work in. I’m sure there’s a political allegory there.
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Irony Be My Shield posted:
Tony should be replaced with Boris. This is Corbyn's most spectacular kill so far.
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Nuclear Spoon posted:https://twitter.com/tnewtondunn/status/1169560579280912385
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Nuclear Spoon posted:https://twitter.com/PrivateEyeNews/status/1169538310835965953 I do, but it usually takes me half a week to read it.
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Gasmask posted:https://twitter.com/spconnolly/status/1169554644261134336 Hoooooooooly poo poo enormous if true.
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Oh god, if Johnson resigns the premiership within a week of parliament opening without having ever won a vote it'll be remembered for centuries. 
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Gasmask posted:
Nah, article makes it clear that they're considering standing aside in some constituencies in a Remain pact, they've no intention of going to Westminster. Hilarious idea though.
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Pesky Splinter posted:Yeah, but here's their reason: i could link you any dozens of boris quotes on how he genuinely absolutely certainly does not want en election
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Gasmask posted:https://twitter.com/spconnolly/status/1169554644261134336 They're not breaking their abstention policy, just considering the idea of standing aside in certain areas at the next election to give Remain-supporting candiates a better chance of beating the DUP
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yes if you re read my post you will clearly see i said "take their seats and let someone else sit in them"
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Tenebrais posted:Oh god, if Johnson resigns the premiership within a week of parliament opening without having ever won a vote it'll be remembered for centuries. This would be just the best thing.
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xtothez posted:They're not breaking their abstention policy, just considering the idea of standing aside in certain areas at the next election to give Remain-supporting candiates a better chance of beating the DUP This But also this was talked about last election and it boils down to the other parties standing down to give SF a clear run in their target swat of North Belfast, as this means electing an abstentionist MP who will not effect parliamentary arthimetic it's unlikely the SDLP (the main party SF want to go away in North Belfast) will accept it as they are also fighting tooth and nail with SF to retake their heartland seart of Foyle from them. The only seat where SF standing aside would make an actual difference is Belfast South where SF finished fourth and it's more likely an agreement between Alliance, Greens and the SDLP will deliver this seat to a party who will go to Westminster without SF getting invovled - with recent vote increases for Alliance in the wards of that seat they absolutely like their chances it's likely the greens with back them over the SDLP and expected swings will let them outpoll the DUP based on contemporary polling It's pretty much an offer of "get out of our way so we can have another MP"
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Basically asking the other parties to let them take a seat from the DUP and in exchange they get very little - Alliance will hardly accept it and as the SDLP are fighting against SF to try to reclaim two seats where the issue of actually going to Westminster to vote will deffo be raised to try to swing remainer votes to their corner I'm not sure of they will be keen either
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CoolCab posted:the "we never take our seats" party may be taking their seats! Seems like they have enough seats that they could sway close votes that would be helpful to their own interests.
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WhiteHowler posted:I'm a dumb American, so I don't really understand the SF abstention policy. It it just "gently caress you, we won't participate in the UK government because no part of Ireland should be in the UK"? Partly what you said, but also serving as an MP requires taking an oath of loyalty to the Queen.
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WhiteHowler posted:I'm a dumb American, so I don't really understand the SF abstention policy. It it just "gently caress you, we won't participate in the UK government because no part of Ireland should be in the UK"? You need to swear an oath to the queen in order to be an MP. Which is something of a sticking point if your whole stated reason to exist as a party is to become part of the Republic of Ireland.
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WhiteHowler posted:I'm a dumb American, so I don't really understand the SF abstention policy. It it just "gently caress you, we won't participate in the UK government because no part of Ireland should be in the UK"? Being an MP requires swearing loyalty to the Queen. Now consider what Sinn Féin's driving goal for its entire political history has been.
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WhiteHowler posted:Seems like they have enough seats that they could sway close votes that would be helpful to their own interests.
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Tbh this is the best move lol Go "okay then you guys decide who is PM and who goes to Brussels" *entire commons erupts into knife fighting*
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Jedit posted:Partly what you said, but also serving as an MP requires taking an oath of loyalty to the Queen. I've been lurking in these threads for a couple of months now and find UK politics fascinating (and a nice break from the stuff in the States -- just as crazypants, but in a different and interesting way).
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WhiteHowler posted:I'm a dumb American, so I don't really understand the SF abstention policy. It it just "gently caress you, we won't participate in the UK government because no part of Ireland should be in the UK"? To sit in parliament you have to swear an oath to the queen and sf don't acknowledge the queens power
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WhiteHowler posted:I'm a dumb American, so I don't really understand the SF abstention policy. It it just "gently caress you, we won't participate in the UK government because no part of Ireland should be in the UK"? Because they believe that the UK has no moral right to interfere in Irish affairs, they will not implicitly accept the authority of the UK parliament by participating. Further, SF politicians make the point that it would be ludicrously hypocritical of them to complain about a foreign country (as they see the UK) interfering in Irish affairs, and then send Irish people to Westminster to interfere in another country’s affairs. You also hear it said that the reason is the oath of loyalty you swear to the queen, but SF politicians have said they’d maintain their policy even if this is removed.
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Yeah you could just cross your fingers behind your back when you swear loyalty because that works too
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WhiteHowler posted:I'm a dumb American, so I don't really understand the SF abstention policy. It it just "gently caress you, we won't participate in the UK government because no part of Ireland should be in the UK"? Like others have said, the oath to the queen is part of it but only part. Sinn Fein don't take seats because they don't believe the UK government should have a say in Ireland, but also don't believe Irish people should have a say in British affairs. The article below gives a good summary https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/mar/06/sinn-fein-mp-british-parliament-irish-republicans-brexit
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TACD posted:Possibly they're planning on using that Queen's Consent procedure to request an extension and then simply refuse it if offered. That seems to argue that Queen's Consent would be needed to get past the 3rd reading in Commons, which it has. If they were going to use QC to get it killed haven't they missed the timing for that?
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happyhippy posted:Sinn Fein though will still happily walk about with pictures of the Queen in their pockets. Its lEGAl TENDER
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happyhippy posted:Sinn Fein though will still happily walk about with pictures of the Queen in their pockets. uh
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happyhippy posted:Sinn Fein though will still happily walk about with pictures of the Queen in their pockets. They just write “Wanted: dead or alive” underneath
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