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Utah won  We had a hard time getting the offense going last year vs Northern Illinois, hopefully this year at home will be smoother e: this is my page now
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MourningView posted:He comes up as a bad Heisman winner here all the time and it's pretty much entirely because LT and Brees were better NFL players than him  He totally deserved that Heisman.
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Grossman reached a Superbowl.  Adlai Stevenson posted:Utah won We'll learn this weekend if they're better than Tennessee by proxy.
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Really excited that Northwestern has a bye week in part because they need some time for Hunter Johnson to figure his poo poo out and in part because weekends of college football where I am not emotionally invested in how they do are debateably more enjoyable. Not sure if that makes me a great or terrible fan.
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MourningView posted:He comes up as a bad Heisman winner here all the time and it's pretty much entirely because LT and Brees were better NFL players than him LT and Brees did have a higher level of difficulty than Weinke did for an obscenely talented FSU, but you could say the same for like 90% of the winners.
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Weinke to Warrick was some of the most fun I've ever watched in college football. Snoop Minnis the next season was really good too but christ was Peter Warrick electric.
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General Dog posted:LT and Brees did have a higher level of difficulty than Weinke did for an obscenely talented FSU, but you could say the same for like 90% of the winners. Hello Mark Ingram.
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wandler20 posted:Weinke to Warrick was some of the most fun I've ever watched in college football. Snoop Minnis the next season was really good too but christ was Peter Warrick electric. I still can't believe Warrick didn't translate to the NFL. He was so loving good.
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Actually I guess TCU had a pretty cushy schedule that year. They were C-USA at the time weren’t they? Or was it the WAC?
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TCU has a real journey from 1996-2012. SWC to WAC to C-USA to MWC to Big East (but I think they never actually got there?) to Big 12
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LeeMajors posted:I still can't believe Warrick didn't translate to the NFL. He was so loving good. Heisman winner Charlie Ward didn't translate to the NFL at all. 
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Sep 5, 2019 05:12
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I wonder how much more well-regarded by NFL scouts Ward would be if he came up now
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https://twitter.com/BestVideosviral/status/1169251088198971393?s=19 Bevo scared em so bad hes in training now
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CannonFodder posted:Heisman winner Charlie Ward didn't translate to the NFL at all. Remember when Jason White won a Heisman
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Sep 5, 2019 12:36
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remember when Charles Woodson was the Heisman, then they decided nobody on defense can ever win again? 
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General Dog posted:LT and Brees did have a higher level of difficulty than Weinke did for an obscenely talented FSU, but you could say the same for like 90% of the winners. LT was mostly running it up on bad teams and Brees had worse passing stats across the board despite playing in a super pass happy spread in a league where no one else was doing that. I think most people also forget that Warrick wasn't on the team anymore when Weinke won the Heisman
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Randaconda posted:remember when Charles Woodson was the Heisman, then they decided nobody on defense can ever win again? Suh coming in fourth convinced me of this. I guess maybe if they'd played him at fullback or tight end or something on offense now and then like they did with Woodson. Or even better as a returner.
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Grittybeard posted:Suh coming in fourth convinced me of this. Woodson wasn't even that great as a returner is the funny thing. He had one really big famous one and otherwise was really meh at it. wyoak posted:I wonder how much more well-regarded by NFL scouts Ward would be if he came up now Yeah Ward was a genuinely amazing football player, he'd be looked at a lot different now that smaller QBs playing out of shotgun is a normal thing and you don't have to look like Troy Aikman to get drafted MourningView fucked around with this message at 12:57 on Sep 5, 2019 |
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Randaconda posted:remember when Charles Woodson was the Heisman, then they decided nobody on defense can ever win again? YES 
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Grittybeard posted:Suh coming in fourth convinced me of this. They did use Suh on offense his junior year, but not senior when he was in the Heisman chase.
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wandler20 posted:Weinke to Warrick was some of the most fun I've ever watched in college football. Snoop Minnis the next season was really good too but christ was Peter Warrick electric. I only ever watched that one game, but 1 reception for 7 yards wasn't that good.
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JesustheDarkLord posted:I only ever watched that one game, but 1 reception for 7 yards wasn't that good. Peter Warrick was ridiculous in college. Remember how explosive Reggie Bush was? Peter Warrick was the WR version.
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Sep 5, 2019 13:25
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LeeMajors posted:I still can't believe Warrick didn't translate to the NFL. He was so loving good. Went to the trash heap bengals and was ruined by their organization, nagging injuries, and despair. Also the nfl didn’t quite know what to do with players like him yet. If he was drafted today he’d be putting up video game numbers.
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colachute posted:Peter Warrick was ridiculous in college. Remember how explosive Reggie Bush was? Peter Warrick was the WR version. Didn't look that good to me
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Dango Bango posted:They did use Suh on offense his junior year, but not senior when he was in the Heisman chase. I'm just laughing at the idea of sr season Suh fielding a punt and breaking down to take on a college gunner now that I've thought of it. I mean sure, they'd get him to the ground, but they probably wouldn't be happy about the way it went down.
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MourningView posted:LT was mostly running it up on bad teams and Brees had worse passing stats across the board despite playing in a super pass happy spread in a league where no one else was doing that. My memory from 20 years ago was that Brees was amazing and everyone else on Purdue was kind of lovely and if he had played on a team where he wasn't the only good player he probably would have been twice as awesome.
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MourningView posted:He comes up as a bad Heisman winner here all the time and it's pretty much entirely because LT and Brees were better NFL players than him Brees was a better college player than him too. It wasn't just about stats, Purdue's doesn't go anywhere in 2000 without Drew Brees and the no one remembers who the best wideout was on the 2000 Purdue team (John Standeford?). Weinke was slinging it to fuckin' Anquan Boldin and Snoop Minnis....... If the award is for the "mvp" of college football then Brees and LT were certainly more deserving in 2000. That doesn't mean Weinke was garbage, just that Brees and LT meant more to both of their teams. EDIT: For consistency, Brees had a 60% completion rate in 2000 with 3668 yards and 26 TD's. Weinke was 62% for 4167 and 33 TD's FSU was a steamroller for most of the year wernox fucked around with this message at 14:22 on Sep 5, 2019 |
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wernox posted:Brees was a better college player than him too. It wasn't just about stats, Purdue's doesn't go anywhere in 2000 without Drew Brees and the no one remembers who the best wideout was on the 2000 Purdue team (John Standeford?). Weinke was slinging it to fuckin' Anquan Boldin and Snoop Minnis....... Stats certainly disagree.
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Lol at josh heupel being Heisman runner up that year
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Metapod posted:Lol at josh heupel being Heisman runner up that year I was actually just looking up his stats. I have this memory of him being one of the great early spread QBs, but in 2000 (when he won a national title and was Heisman runner-up) he had an unsightly 20/15 TD/INT line. For comparison, Reggie Ball threw 20 TDs and 14 INTs his senior year (please disregard the 44% completion rate) General Dog fucked around with this message at 14:33 on Sep 5, 2019 |
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General Dog posted:I was actually just looking up his stats. I have this memory of him being one of the great early spread QBs, but in 2000 (when he won a national title and was Heisman runner-up) he had an unsightly 20/15 TD/INT line. Calvin Johnson caught 15 of those TDs, so if you removed him it would have been more like 1 TD and 20 INT.
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Weinke had more yards and TDs on like 100 fewer pass attempts and Snoop Minnis wasn't really any more impressive after college than the Purdue guys were. Boldin's big breakout wasn't until the next year.
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When the NCAA changed the rules to include bowl games in career stats, why didn't they retroactively add bowl stats prior to that point? Seems like it would be doable at least back to the 60s. They should've either added bowl stats for all time, or left it alone.
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I remember Vinnie Sutherland being an absolute beast on that 2000 Purdue team
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General Dog posted:When the NCAA changed the rules to include bowl games in career stats, why didn't they retroactively add bowl stats prior to that point? Seems like it would be doable at least back to the 60s. They should've either added bowl stats for all time, or left it alone. Because Barry Sanders was just too drat good.
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Ace Jameson posted:I remember Vinnie Sutherland being an absolute beast on that 2000 Purdue team And Standeford is I think literally the Big Ten's all time leader in receiving. It's hard to separate all that from Brees/Orton and the system generally but they had a bunch of really productive college receivers on those teams
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JesustheDarkLord posted:I only ever watched that one game, but 1 reception for 7 yards wasn't that good. Vols are lucky Weinke got hurt and couldn't play.
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MourningView posted:And Standeford is I think literally the Big Ten's all time leader in receiving. It's hard to separate all that from Brees/Orton and the system generally but they had a bunch of really productive college receivers on those teams That was Taylor Stubblefield, the current WR coach for the Miami Hurricanes and often referred to as Tyler Standafiled by Bob Davie. He didn't play for Purdue in 2000. Vinny Sutherland had 72 catches, Standeford 67. Vinny had more yards but what made the 2000 offense special was that they were a bitch to get off the field on 3rd down and Standeford and Tim Stratton were a huge chunk of that. Vinny was a deeper threat.
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