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| Joe Biden, the Klansman |
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8 | 0.91% |
| Bernie Sanders, the Hand Flailer |
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578 | 65.76% |
| Elizabeth Warren, the Plan Maker |
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185 | 21.05% |
| Kamala Harris, the Cop Lord |
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4 | 0.46% |
| Cory Booker, the Super Hero Wannabe |
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0 | 0% |
| Julian Castro, the Twin |
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3 | 0.34% |
| Kirsten Gillibrand, the Franken Killer |
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3 | 0.34% |
| Pete Buttigieg, the Troop Sociopath |
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9 | 1.02% |
| Robert Francis O'Rourke, the Fake Latino |
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2 | 0.23% |
| Jay Inslee, the Climate Alarmist |
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4 | 0.46% |
| Marianne Williamson, the Crystal Queen |
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19 | 2.16% |
| Andrew Yang, the $1000 Fool |
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19 | 2.16% |
| Tulsi Gabbard, the Muslim Hater |
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8 | 0.91% |
| Amy Klobuchar, the Comb Enthusiast |
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1 | 0.11% |
| Just like in real life, nobody voted for Hickenlooper |
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2 | 0.23% |
| Jeffrey Epstein, the MCC Most Hated |
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9 | 1.02% |
| KKKillary KKKlinton |
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16 | 1.82% |
| Some other idiot not in this list |
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9 | 1.02% |
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VitalSigns posted:This is DnD where we only playact at serious discussion, while in reality the goal is just to find some rhetorical way to own our posting enemies, so yeah sure let's just make up some bullshit equivocation. Think I found my new sig. In all seriousness though I feel it's important to scrutinize any candidate and make sure that belief and optimism dont disguise thier faults, but i struggle to come up with solid criticisms of Bernie as someone on the left. Heres what I got 1:He old 2:He may have trouble making good on his promises as the otherside of the aisle will not work with him and it's not unlikely members of his own party may obstruct him. 3... He just seems to generally mean well and is relatively well versed on most major issues. And he seems like the only leading candidate that has consistently tried to uphold the ideals he expresses on the campaign.
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Sep 5, 2019 19:36
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"The other side of the aisle will not work with him and members of his own party might obstruct his agenda at the behest of their donors" is an odd criticism to me because the former applies to every Democrat (Republicans filibustered their own ideas once Obama adopted any of them) so if that's a reason not to support someone then we'd have to vote straight-ticket Republican. The latter is also odd because that also applies to every Democrat (the excuse for ACA sucking as bad as it did was that Lieberman obstructed the public option, the reason the DREAM Act failed despite enough moderate Republicans crossing the aisle to pass it were chud Democrats like Manchin and Tester crossing the aisle the other way to filibuster it), so I'm not sure what the alternative is there, just directly elect Aetna Corp to the presidency?
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Sep 5, 2019 19:59
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Wait, does Diamond Joe always wear aviators because his eyeballs are constantly exploding?
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Sep 5, 2019 20:01
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Trump had total control of the govt for 2 years and couldn’t repeal healthcare or do anything meaningful or useful beyond the big tax cuts and Supreme Court appointments that would’ve gone through in spite of him unless a Democrat won. I’d argue that Bernie being president while being a step in the right direction will probably be an equally scandalous presidency in that nobody in congress or the senate will give him the votes he needs to pass any of his signature policies without watering them down to ineffectiveness. I could also see 2022 congress defunding M4A before it comes into full force or stopping it even if it passes in much the same way the ACA has been stunted now. The media will also double down on straight up slandering the Bernie administration to the point that everyone will think he was worse than Jimmy Carter.
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Sep 5, 2019 20:11
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Kraftwerk posted:Trump had total control of the govt for 2 years and couldn’t repeal healthcare or do anything meaningful or useful beyond the big tax cuts and Supreme Court appointments that would’ve gone through in spite of him unless a Democrat won. Lol at the boogyman of worse than Carter. Carter was one of the best presidents of the last 50 years. Also 'equally scandalous' is a loving riot. What other good ones do you have for us Mr prognosticator.
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Sep 5, 2019 20:16
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Kraftwerk posted:Trump had total control of the govt for 2 years and couldn’t repeal healthcare or do anything meaningful or useful beyond the big tax cuts and Supreme Court appointments that would’ve gone through in spite of him unless a Democrat won. That's because the rest of his agenda was hilariously crushingly unpopular, only a handful of donors wanted to cut $2 trillion from Medicaid in order to finance a payroll tax cut for the rich. The opposite situation, a platform with massive public support being opposed by only a handful of donors, might not play out the same way. E: Also just from an electability standpoint maybe we shouldn't run on "better ideas will never ever happen" again, that turned out really bad last time!
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Sep 5, 2019 20:24
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Kraftwerk posted:Trump had total control of the govt for 2 years and couldn’t repeal healthcare or do anything meaningful or useful beyond the big tax cuts and Supreme Court appointments that would’ve gone through in spite of him unless a Democrat won. "The lovely things that exist now, will continue to exist after Bernie Sanders is elected." Spot on political prognostication there, my friend.
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Sep 5, 2019 20:26
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Mahoning posted:"The lovely things that exist now, will continue to exist after Bernie Sanders is elected." This also completely ignored the strength of the bully pulpit. Just look at all the crazy poo poo Trump has pushed mainstream in just 2 years. Angry Bernie forcing the issues is going to wake up a lot of people and they’re going to be pissed if their supposedly D reps are blocking poo poo that has overwhelming support.
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Sep 5, 2019 20:36
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Heck Yes! Loam! posted:Lol at the boogyman of worse than Carter. Carter was one of the best presidents of the last 50 years. Carter had an EXTRAORDINARILY bad relationship with Congress, which seriously hurt his ability to pass things. I'm somewhat less concerned about Bernie having trouble in that particular way (not least because he comes from a billion years in the Senate and nonzero success there), but Congress is more inherently intransigent these days even without the McConnell Factor too soooo edit Warren almost certainly has the same problems (and similar reasons to be mildly optimistic) and lol Biden
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Sep 5, 2019 21:27
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GreyjoyBastard posted:Carter had an EXTRAORDINARILY bad relationship with Congress, which seriously hurt his ability to pass things. I know time feels weird under Donny, but being a Senator since 2007 is hardly a billion years.
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Sep 5, 2019 21:59
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Bernie has been in Congress for nearly 30 years. His overall point is valid.
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Sep 5, 2019 22:02
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Kraftwerk posted:Trump had total control of the govt for 2 years and couldn’t repeal healthcare or do anything meaningful or useful beyond the big tax cuts and Supreme Court appointments that would’ve gone through in spite of him unless a Democrat won. I like how we say it's "just a tax cut." That tax cut costs 1.9 trillion over 10 years if the middle class part is allowed to expire and the tax hikes on individuals go through. If, instead, the tax hikes on low and middle classes that are set to kick in in 2027 (that are there just to make it fit in under reconciliation rules) never happen (no one is going to allow tax hikes to go into effect on the bottom half of the income distribution), the expected effect on yearly deficits is in the order of nearly 400 billion a year. In other words, in fiscal terms, the tax cut is more money than eliminating all student debt (1 time 1.5 trillion expense), making all public college free (estimated 80 billion a year) and make 60k the minimum salary for teachers across the country (estimated cost about 180 billion a year). The tax cuts were a big deal, for all the wrong reasons. And here's the thing, they were deeply unpopular, unlike these 3 policies I mentioned that are all extremely popular.
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Sep 5, 2019 22:08
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Gyges posted:I know time feels weird under Donny, but being a Senator since 2007 is hardly a billion years. He's been there longer than 67 other Senators by my count.
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Sep 5, 2019 22:14
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Phone posted:You know you can save everyone a lot of time by just saying “better things aren’t possible”, maybe throw in a few clap emojis. Climate change is a huge foreign policy issue, and I was curious why people here have this “only one candidate will save us” attitude about it. From what I can tell, it’s because he’ll adjust reconciliation to shove through the GND. It’s not an unsatisfactory answer. I still think the theatrics about how hosed we are that the next person just slightly to the right of that dooms is all is ridiculous, but it’s not surprising given that this forum will slowly rule out every option until only the furthest to the left one remains. VitalSigns posted:How did young hip virile President Barack Obama do at keeping the fash from getting stronger. He didn’t bother to do anything, and that was the problem.
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Sep 5, 2019 22:46
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Craptacular! posted:I still think the theatrics about how hosed we are that the next person just slightly to the right of that dooms is all is ridiculous, but it’s not surprising given that this forum will slowly rule out every option until only the furthest to the left one remains. dude we're probably completely hosed, as in human civilization will end within the next hundred years, even if sanders does win, and if you think otherwise you know approximately jack poo poo about climate change. poo poo is happening right now that wasn't predicted to happen for another fifty fuckin years. we do not have time to gently caress around with any candidates who are not pushing the absolute hardest against climate change. it is absolutely and without question the biggest issue right now, nothing else even fuckin matters if we don't address it as aggressively as possible right the gently caress now. this is an existential crisis to humanity and the fact that you see it as an excuse to push out less-left candidates is maybe the dumbest take i've seen on climate change, and that includes all the idiot poo poo chuds say about it.
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Sep 5, 2019 23:10
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Craptacular! posted:Climate change is a huge foreign policy issue, and I was curious why people here have this “only one candidate will save us” attitude about it. From what I can tell, it’s because he’ll adjust reconciliation to shove through the GND. His climate plan is considerably better than Warren's ($16T total cost vs like $4T for Warren's*), and he has a history that makes him a far more reliable vector for actually pushing to achieve it (while there's no logical reason to trust Warren to actually be strong on pretty much any issue other than possible banking regulation). * there are a lot more details than this obviously, but it's a good shorthand for how seriously they're taking the issue Ytlaya fucked around with this message at 23:15 on Sep 5, 2019 |
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Sep 5, 2019 23:13
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joepinetree posted:eliminating all student debt (1 time 1.5 trillion expense), making all public college free (estimated 80 billion a year) and make 60k the minimum salary for teachers across the country (estimated cost about 180 billion a year) but how will we pay for it
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Sep 5, 2019 23:20
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Craptacular! posted:Climate change is a huge foreign policy issue, and I was curious why people here have this “only one candidate will save us” attitude about it. From what I can tell, it’s because he’ll adjust reconciliation to shove through the GND. Consider the following: 1) A lot of the people suggesting that it's either Bernie or the end of electoralism don't think Warren is "just slightly to the right" of Sanders. They think she's considerably to the right of him; in fact, there are people posting in this thread who have explicitly stated that they think she's much closer to Harris or Buttigieg than she is to Sanders. 2) There are a lot of people who are pretty upset about how far to the right Sanders himself is; this is why you'll see a lot of people in this thread suggesting that Bernie is a compromise candidate, even though he's obviously the furthest left candidate in the field. 3) There are people who think that electoralism has already failed, and that people working to elect Bernie are wasting their time.
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Sep 5, 2019 23:21
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Craptacular! posted:Climate change is a huge foreign policy issue, and I was curious why people here have this “only one candidate will save us” attitude about it. From what I can tell, it’s because he’ll adjust reconciliation to shove through the GND. Craptacular! posted:He didn’t bother to do anything, and that was the problem. Hm you don't say, it's almost like (wait for it) age of the president isn't the determining factor in whether fascism gains or loses appeal, but rather the ideology that president is offering as an alternative to fascism. Maybe (wait for it) an old demsoc president with a demsoc VP is going to be better at creating a movement to combat the appeal of fascism even if he dies after one term than another neolib empty suit whose sole goal in life is to make rousing West Wing speeches that catapult him into power where he can mulch the poor into stacks of money for his Wall Street friends while he collects kickbacks then retires to parasail on billionaire island. Maybe. VitalSigns fucked around with this message at 23:27 on Sep 5, 2019 |
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Sep 5, 2019 23:22
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Craptacular! posted:What is it about people that makes you think Bernie, who gave an old fashioned “talking forever” filibuster for eight hours, would want to completely erase the filibuster? My God how do you people still keep talking yourselves into such blatant bullshit like this? This take is even more naive than partisan at this point. Warren blew it early on by 1) not adopting the Sanders policy platforms, especially M4A, and 2) falling for Trump’s stupid Pocahontas DNA test early on, which demonstrates a level of arrogant, political incompetence that even Hillary never managed to accomplish during the 2016 election, other than losing. None of her “plans” address the fundamental trinity of unholy bullshit that is going to wipe this country out: corporate welfare, automation, and climate change. You’ll notice how late capitalism is at the heart of all three. And yes, Bernie is literally the last chance at electoralism saving the perceived incarnation of this country as we know it i.e. liberal democracy from collapsing into a fascist dystopia of corporate monopolies destroying everything from social bonds to infrastructure with a mad king sitting on the ashes. This bullshit from the media and Warren surrogates that he has a personality cult is projection. I’ll even give you a major critique I have of Bernie (other than refusing to send every billionaire to the guillotine). Not adopting a form of UBI. Automation is loving real, I see it every day, and I genuinely don’t think Bernie or his team yet realize the impact this is having on most people. It should be alarming to the Bernie team when you have a goddamn libertarian cretin like Yang amassing support that quickly solely for addressing the issue.
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Sep 5, 2019 23:25
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https://twitter.com/BernieSanders/status/1169737267436539904?s=19 He's good, folks
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Sep 5, 2019 23:32
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Tim Ryan surge in Texas
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Sep 5, 2019 23:42
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Re: Bernie vs. Yang https://twitter.com/zackgianino/status/1169657860378132480?s=21 Whoopie is needlessly antagonistic here, but her views on UBI I believe represent most of America. There is no rational reason for Bernie to not adopt a UBI policy. FFS if anything do it so we never have to hear from Yang and his libertarian fans like Musk again.
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Sep 5, 2019 23:50
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I do think that tweet is from a different planet, I don't see that as a "striking blow to Bernie Sanders".
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Sep 6, 2019 00:04
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Lol that they had to cut his answer from the video I wonder what it was
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Failed Imagineer posted:Wait, does Diamond Joe always wear aviators because his eyeballs are constantly exploding? Biden 2020: Where we’re going, we won’t need eyes.
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Sep 6, 2019 00:40
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readingatwork posted:Biden 2020: Where we’re going, we won’t need eyes. Biden 20: Vision
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Sep 6, 2019 01:00
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Mahoning posted:Bernie has been in Congress for nearly 30 years. His overall point is valid. I actually did think he was a senator for longer though 
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Sep 6, 2019 01:14
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https://twitter.com/adamcbest/status/1169425524638306309 We need answers actually.
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Sep 6, 2019 01:23
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Guys, I think wapo might have it in for Bernard Sanders https://beta-washingtonpost-com.cdn...From%20%251%24s
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Sep 6, 2019 01:26
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WaPo, owned by Amazon Founder Jeff Bezos, who is set to lose in a Sanders victory, who Sanders campaigned for them to pay employees a fair wage, that Amazon screwed them out of their bonus' and restructured to gently caress them over...that guy...his paper...has it out for Sanders? I'd give for Teddy Rex to be President for a bit.
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Sep 6, 2019 01:32
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Heck Yes! Loam! posted:Guys, I think wapo might have it in for Bernard Sanders Really telling how she didn't even quote the question he was asked that lead to this "blunder"
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Sep 6, 2019 01:47
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Heck Yes! Loam! posted:Guys, I think wapo might have it in for Bernard Sanders Man, I really should have looked into a career of being paid to be an idiot. Democrats are against a thing, Bernie just said he was also against that thing, what a gaffe! Cash check.
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Sep 6, 2019 02:06
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You know it's a real and big gaffe when it takes 6-7 explanatory paragraphs to even make the argument that it's a gaffe. Oh and also it's in the opinion section instead of the news section.
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Sep 6, 2019 02:46
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Magic Underwear posted:You know it's a real and big gaffe when it takes 6-7 explanatory paragraphs to even make the argument that it's a gaffe. Oh and also it's in the opinion section instead of the news section. This Sanders gaffe has been brought to you in part by Chevron, with Techron.
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Sep 6, 2019 02:49
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I just happened to notice the thread title while thinking of Joe Biden's exploding eye. What are the chances they are related?
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Sep 6, 2019 03:22
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Nonsense posted:https://twitter.com/adamcbest/status/1169425524638306309 https://twitter.com/eponawest/status/1169471793389690881?s=19
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Sep 6, 2019 03:42
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Tag yourself. I'm the person in this thread who literally just said thousands of innocent people should be killed in the name of leftist politics. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Sep 6, 2019 03:47
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Oh for gently caress's sake I'll bear the burden, I'm 'it' you bastards and I'll carry it to the grave of our current recess. You fucks better appreciate this playtime weight upon my soul and do something in the interim. Should society be steadily breaking down in the meantime remember that I pantomimed my heart out for a brief fleeting moment on a message board.
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CelestialScribe posted:Tag yourself. I'm the person in this thread who literally just said thousands of innocent people should be killed in the name of leftist politics. I'm the idiot Australian who shitposts bad faith poo poo in an American politics thread e: can I get a quote of whoever you imagine said that, cause I could use a good laugh
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