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| Joe Biden, the Klansman |
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8 | 0.91% |
| Bernie Sanders, the Hand Flailer |
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578 | 65.76% |
| Elizabeth Warren, the Plan Maker |
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185 | 21.05% |
| Kamala Harris, the Cop Lord |
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4 | 0.46% |
| Cory Booker, the Super Hero Wannabe |
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0 | 0% |
| Julian Castro, the Twin |
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3 | 0.34% |
| Kirsten Gillibrand, the Franken Killer |
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3 | 0.34% |
| Pete Buttigieg, the Troop Sociopath |
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9 | 1.02% |
| Robert Francis O'Rourke, the Fake Latino |
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2 | 0.23% |
| Jay Inslee, the Climate Alarmist |
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4 | 0.46% |
| Marianne Williamson, the Crystal Queen |
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19 | 2.16% |
| Andrew Yang, the $1000 Fool |
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19 | 2.16% |
| Tulsi Gabbard, the Muslim Hater |
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8 | 0.91% |
| Amy Klobuchar, the Comb Enthusiast |
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1 | 0.11% |
| Just like in real life, nobody voted for Hickenlooper |
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2 | 0.23% |
| Jeffrey Epstein, the MCC Most Hated |
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9 | 1.02% |
| KKKillary KKKlinton |
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16 | 1.82% |
| Some other idiot not in this list |
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9 | 1.02% |
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I think it’s foolish to even say automation is a “problem”. Automation is, itself, unambiguously awesome*. I don’t want to lug water in buckets from a town well. The problem is, who gets the money that is generated by this automation? If output is distributed fairly instead of just going to whatever rear end in a top hat was able to buy the machines, everybody wins. Under our current economic order, we know where the money would go. Something like UBI will be necessary to fix that. Obviously Yang’s plan is trash. Bernie’s job guarantee is probably a good place to start a transition. * Possible caveat for Lazy Wall-E Space Fatties.
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 Healthy, virile Biden is the one to go with Post-Mush Brain Donald.
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Sep 7, 2019 17:07
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Automation is undeniably a source of problems. Saying it's not a problem is like saying worldwide industrialization is not a problem, or capitalism is not a problem. There are unambiguous negative consequences that need to be mitigaged, ameliorated, or managed or it can and will end very very poorly for everyone who isn't already on top.
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Sep 7, 2019 17:09
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Eh, I feel like automation is just a symptom of the real problem: late stage capitalism.
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Sep 7, 2019 17:15
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GlyphGryph posted:Automation is undeniably a source of problems. But I see a lot of sentiment that suggests that we need to "stop" automation, or that automation is an enemy, as if automation itself were a malevolent force instead of something that could greatly benefit a reasonably functional civilization (a standard that, yes, currently, we're not meeting). Or, what Luckyellow said. And Nonsense, NMS that poo poo, jeez.
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Sep 7, 2019 17:18
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Automation is a problem when the decisions of how to use automation are made by a small group of people whose primary concern is profit (you know, capitalists). They're going to fire people because that's how you realize the profits of automation. This isn't a new problem and I haven't seen anything to suggest it's advancing particularly fast either. A jobs guarantee is a fine step in the right direction because people won't be reliant on private business but it's still a major disruption to your life to lose your job, even if you've got another one waiting. I'd like to see Bernie have a plan to push for worker co-ops, he called his plan workplace democracy but it fell well short of the goal for me. The problem isn't just automation or having your job relocated, it's that all of the decisions of labor are made for you.
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Sep 7, 2019 17:25
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We've been making our way along the Great Lakes for a while now. We're in the Hamptons, now. In South Bend, Indiana, most everyone is a Bernie supporter. In Toledo, Ohio, a friend of my host was a Pete supporter, who had canvassed for Pete at the Pride Parade the week before. In Detroit, there were a few fascist white supremacists (like, q-anon conspiracy theory moral panic types) within the hippie community, at least one outspoken Green Party advocate, and a lot of nonsense about aliens and magic while employing non-stop thought-stopping. In Amenia, New York, and in Easthampton, I'm running into Marianne Williamson fans. Also, a little more of the q-anon bullshit. In Amenia, I suspect actual deliberate targeting by intelligence agencies (unsure which or how many); I know that sounds absurd, but the land there is directly tied to OWS, and sits at the end of the Harlem Line, a straight-shot commuter rail coming out of Grand Central. This qanon cult is exceptionally insipid. Don't imagine it's just old fat white hicks that have been brainwashed to support trump 'no matter what'; there's a whole spectrum of engineered belief systems that converge, having targeted a very diverse set of populations. I've met old beared hippies that think they're saving the world from child sex trafficking by voting for Trump, discouraging their hippie friends from voting at all, and ignoring the child concentration camps on the border as 'fake news.' I've seen a KEK pin on a deadhead vendor's pinboard in Maine. I know OWS 9/11-was-an-inside-job drum circlers that think they're one of the few to have pieced together the truth about the occult plot that /really/ runs things, holding to pizza gate and convinced that Hillary killed Seth Rich. The commonalities of all of these branches are, they're all convinced that Hillary is responsible for untold evil. And most have a favorable view of Putin. It's all been engineered, using sockpuppets and the cambridge analytica data and fake news. It's a big part of the fascist machine. This is what we're up against, in wresting control of the US Federal Gov't from Trump and the GOP.
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Sep 7, 2019 17:46
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Nonsense posted:
REMEMBER ME, EDDIE?
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Sep 7, 2019 17:49
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So if Joe Biden is Morte, does that make Hillary Clinton into Anna? Who is TNO in this scenario? Or is Biden cosplaying Mr. Sardonicus here? His skeletal rictus looks like a Wolfenstein NPC, or maybe something from Doom. Is it possible to even cgi up a less appealing photo for young voters?
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Uglycat posted:In Amenia, New York, and in Easthampton, I'm running into Marianne Williamson fans. it begins edit for content: guess who doesn't skip leg day https://twitter.com/TulsiGabbard/status/1170336318599114755 guess who's a troop turns out booker, castro, and butt spoke here too https://twitter.com/votevets/status/1170300816428883968 Goatse James Bond fucked around with this message at 18:04 on Sep 7, 2019 |
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Sep 7, 2019 18:01
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Nonsense posted:
Mars Attacks joke.
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Sep 7, 2019 18:04
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nearly killed em! posted:Automation is a problem when the decisions of how to use automation are made by a small group of people whose primary concern is profit (you know, capitalists). They're going to fire people because that's how you realize the profits of automation. This isn't a new problem and I haven't seen anything to suggest it's advancing particularly fast either. Pretty much. The Robots Are Coming, and Sweden Is Fine If you have powerful unions, governmental support, a system aligning private with collective profit and a good social safety net, automation is actually seen as a boon rather than a curse.
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Sep 7, 2019 18:06
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So Gabbard is a lock for Biden's running mate at this point, right?
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Sep 7, 2019 18:11
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Mizaq posted:So Gabbard is a lock for Biden's running mate at this point, right? Huh?
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Sep 7, 2019 18:12
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Nonsense posted:
 This is what amphetamines do to senior citizens.
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Sep 7, 2019 18:16
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GlyphGryph posted:Automation is undeniably a source of problems. None of those things are inherently bad. Having machines that do work more efficiently than a human is cool and good. We shouldn't try to stop technological progress because our economic system is bad; we should just change our economic system.
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Sep 7, 2019 18:17
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kidkissinger posted:Huh? It was a dirty old grandpa reference in response to her exercise video. She's much younger and former military, and may appeal more to the Republican voters that Biden hopes to peel off from Trump for those reasons. A redirect from the corpse-like photos Trump PACs will hit him with should he get the nomination.
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Sep 7, 2019 18:32
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Mizaq posted:So if Joe Biden is Morte, does that make Hillary Clinton into Anna? Who is TNO in this scenario? Or is Biden cosplaying Mr. Sardonicus here? His skeletal rictus looks like a Wolfenstein NPC, or maybe something from Doom. Is it possible to even cgi up a less appealing photo for young voters? Fall-From-Grace - Warren Anna - Clearly it's Klobuchar, just think of the temper. TNO - Gotta be Biden: lived countless political lifetimes, typically evil ones Pharod - Ehh, idk Tom Steyer? Maybe Hickenlooper would be a better fit. Ignus - Yang Vhailor - Kamala Harris Trias - Buttigieg or Delaney Nordom - Booker Dak'kon - ?? Morte - Probably Gravel Many-as-One - Beto, but the undead won the war so he's weakened and incompetent.
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‘This Will Be The End Of Bernie’s Campaign,’ Says Increasingly Nervous Centrist For Seventh Time This Year https://twitter.com/WJHirschi/status/1170287444681531392?s=19 https://twitter.com/OjPats4/status/1170359179233681408?s=19 https://twitter.com/Zebop/status/1170373318991630336?s=19 https://twitter.com/tomwatson/status/1170301775112540162?s=19 Although I agree that anyone that isn't black really just shouldn't use that word at all, ever, this just seems like a desparate hail mary attempt to derail his rising poll numbers. bowser fucked around with this message at 19:23 on Sep 7, 2019 |
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Sep 7, 2019 19:16
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New climate change ad from the Bern man https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sYIoYgvuNe4
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Sep 7, 2019 19:16
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bowser posted:‘This Will Be The End Of Bernie’s Campaign,’ Says Increasingly Nervous Centrist For Seventh Time This Year That is the least upsetting context imaginable for anyone not living a life of performative wokeness.
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Warren has been making some https://twitter.com/jonallendc/status/1170375199566499848
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Office Pig posted:Warren has been making some lol we're gonna diiiiiiiiie
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sexpig by night posted:lol we're gonna diiiiiiiiie You know when Warren talks about access to health care, praises the beoing/Amazon fiefdom that was once Seattle as a a progressive town with a progressive mayor, and handwaves public utilities away for the magic of private enterprise, all while trying to flatter that desperate need for intellectual and cultural validation with her stupid plan gimmick? Yeah turns out this is the crowd she's trying to appeal to.
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Office Pig posted:Warren has been making some What possible reason would anyone have to reach out to Clinton other than to curry favor with a branch of the party that has no actual constituency?
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Office Pig posted:You know when Warren talks about access to health care, praises the beoing/Amazon fiefdom that was once Seattle as a a progressive town with a progressive mayor, and handwaves public utilities away for the magic of private enterprise, all while trying to flatter that desperate need for intellectual and cultural validation with her stupid plan gimmick? Would she be going directly after Pete and/or Kamala's voters in this case? That seems to be where a lot of Hillary's non-minority base of support has gone at least in the polls.
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Sep 7, 2019 20:05
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To be quite honest there's probably no better source for advice on how to blame Russians.
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Office Pig posted:Warren has been making some I hope that, if nothing else, some of the Warren supporters end up learning something from this primary. I don't exactly have much hope for the older ones, but for some of the younger ones she might be their Obama-like figure who teaches them that it's important to not be a credulous rube and actually require clear and explicit proof that a politician supports certain policies and is genuine in their intent.
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*wakes up from a stupor* Oh god, I'm sorry, I was knocked cold unconscious by the sheer force of condescension. kidkissinger posted:What possible reason would anyone have to reach out to Clinton other than to curry favor with a branch of the party that has no actual constituency? Considering that there are still people who adore her in the party, going with Hillary might be helpful in the primary. Definitely absolute poison in the general; if she wants to do this she should avoid being photographed with Clinton very much.
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Luckyellow posted:It's been a while since I read any opinions but how the heck did you went from "abortion is a human right" to "suppressing the world population through abortion is eugenics"? It's old hat with the anti-choice crowd. They're all the time railing on how abortion is just code for killing black babies and did you know Margaret Sanger was a eugenicist and hated black people etc. kidkissinger posted:What possible reason would anyone have to reach out to Clinton other than to curry favor with a branch of the party that has no actual constituency? To give the power brokers and capitalists further assurance you've no intention of actually doing anything progressive, let alone socialist, once in office.
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Ytlaya posted:I hope that, if nothing else, some of the Warren supporters end up learning something from this primary. I don't exactly have much hope for the older ones, but for some of the younger ones she might be their Obama-like figure who teaches them that it's important to not be a credulous rube and actually require clear and explicit proof that a politician supports certain policies and is genuine in their intent. Who are you kidding, they aren't going to change.
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I don't know if the #StillWithHer crowd make up many voters, but they are very loud and very online so strategically it's not the worst move.
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Warren has been in regular contact with Neera Tanden and the CAP apparatus for years now, anyone trying to tell you this is just for show is a liar.
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https://twitter.com/jeneps/status/1170340348662562817?s=19 I... I think Biden wants to bone the President?
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bowser posted:https://twitter.com/jeneps/status/1170340348662562817?s=19 Pounded In The Butt By My Smoothbrained Electoral Opponent
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overmind2000 posted:Pounded in the Butt by my Smoothbrained Electoral Opponent who are you talking about here
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Mizaq posted:It was a dirty old grandpa reference in response to her exercise video. She's much younger and former military, and may appeal more to the Republican voters that Biden hopes to peel off from Trump for those reasons. A redirect from the corpse-like photos Trump PACs will hit him with should he get the nomination. i'll have you know that not only is she a current national guard troop, she took two weeks off the campaign trail for a training exercise because she's such a troop and loves her country so much also, lol: quote:On August 7, 2018, the Honolulu Star-Advertiser reported that the Hawaii Army National Guard had instructed Gabbard that a video of her in uniform on her VoteTulsi Facebook page did not comply with military ethics rules. Gabbard's campaign removed the video and added a disclaimer to the website's banner image of Gabbard in uniform in a veterans' cemetery that the image does not imply an endorsement from the military. A similar situation had happened during a previous Gabbard congressional campaign.
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Mellow Seas posted:*wakes up from a stupor* Oh god, I'm sorry, I was knocked cold unconscious by the sheer force of condescension. yeah, in the primary the number of people who would vote for Warren if only she didn't speak to the Clintons  is probably functionally zero
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kidkissinger posted:What possible reason would anyone have to reach out to Clinton other than to curry favor with a branch of the party that has no actual constituency? Warren is a neoliberal republican just like Hillary, the reason she reaches out is like-mindedness with her do-nothing 3rd way precompromised pablum platform that will get us all killed if she's somehow elected.
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crazy cloud posted:Warren is a neoliberal republican just like Hillary, the reason she reaches out is like-mindedness with her do-nothing 3rd way precompromised pablum platform that will get us all killed if she's somehow elected.
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