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Lol play a game of spot the landlord in the thread in the previous page
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Darth Walrus posted:Consider the problems with privatised healthcare. The problems with landlordism are pretty much identical. Basically, housing, like medicine, is an essential need that places way too much power in the hands of the seller, and shouldn't be left up to a system as inherently predatory as the free market. Okay, you're saying that because it's a necessity - like healthcare - housing should be a public good? I get where y'all are coming from there, it's not a position I agree with entirely, but I get the principle.
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Sep 8, 2019 17:24
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I knew Caprica Six was an utter wanker but this is a new low. Buy-to-let robot hoor 
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Sep 8, 2019 17:24
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Exioce posted:Okay, you're saying that because it's a necessity - like healthcare - housing should be a public good? I get where y'all are coming from there, it's not a position I agree with entirely, but I get the principle. What a surprise oh "left leaning" one.
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Sep 8, 2019 17:25
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The flat I rent with massive mould problems, a leaking toilet and internal heating from the early 80s that barely works (all issues I've reported to the lettings agency and nothing has been done about) is not worth paying someone who sits on his rear end and does jack poo poo except own a lovely flat he doesn't live in £430 every month.
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Sep 8, 2019 17:25
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It's like you people think I believe we can suddenly start a socialist utopia from one day to the next and since that doesn't seem practical at the moment OH WELL GUESS WE JUST GIVE UP How about this: start by stopping the housing market from being a loving speculative bubble, and introduce rent controls so people aren't paying 90% of their after-tax income in rent. Surely we can all agree on that at the very least?
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Sep 8, 2019 17:26
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Here's that classic Churchill quote about it, even that fat old imperialist tory oval office recognised that landlords are badChurchill posted:Roads are made, streets are made, services are improved, electric light turns night into day, water is brought from reservoirs a hundred miles off in the mountains — all the while the landlord sits still. Every one of those improvements is affected by the labor and cost of other people and the taxpayers. To not one of these improvements does the land monopolist contribute, and yet, by every one of them the value of his land is enhanced. He renders no service to the community, he contributes nothing to the general welfare, he contributes nothing to the process from which his own enrichment is derived…The unearned increment on the land is reaped by the land monopolist in exact proportion, not to the service, but to the disservice done.
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Sep 8, 2019 17:27
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Pochoclo posted:It's like you people think I believe we can suddenly start a socialist utopia from one day to the next. The fun thing about introducing any kind of anti-landlord legislation is that it would never pass because shitloads of MPs are also landlords.
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Sep 8, 2019 17:27
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OwlFancier posted:Mate you haven't lurked this thread enough if you don't understand how much we hate literally everything like that. But like, going after individual landlords is really pointless. When someone inherits an apartment or something, them selling it instead of renting it out will not improve society one bit. For actual change to happen you need stuff like rent controls, widely available public housing or you know, socialism. Most landlords are indeed awful dicks though so I'm not sure why I'm even writing this. gently caress them
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Sep 8, 2019 17:28
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Look I understand where you're coming from, I'm not a piece of poo poo, I don't think anything should actually change but I'm so understanding, love meeeee.Andrast posted:But like, going after individual landlords is really pointless. When someone inherits an apartment or something, them selling it instead of renting out will not improve society one bit. For actual change to happen you need stuff like rent controls, widely available public housing or you know, socialism. I disagree, if you can get a landlord to gently caress off and die then that's one less of them, that is an improvement. An intense personal hatred is in no way incompatible with wanting a state sponsored effort to achieve your preferred outcome re: death of all parasites. OwlFancier fucked around with this message at 17:30 on Sep 8, 2019 |
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Sep 8, 2019 17:28
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crispix posted:I knew Caprica Six was an utter wanker but this is a new low. Actually, I have no horse in this race. I have a mortgage, and the deposit certainly wasn't inherited.
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Sep 8, 2019 17:29
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I think landlords are easier to hate, and for good reason. Capital can often be detached from the average person when it comes to the modern means of production, in produce, in utilities. However, when it comes to property, it becomes a lot more personal. Your living space is often your home. A place where you spend your time not working, where you make memories with your family and loved ones. Not owning that and ultimately being in a precarious situation where you can be evicted at relatively short notice, severing your connection to these memories, is a very difficult thing. Additionally, many people have significant issues when dealing with landlords, either with unfair collecting of rent, or unprofessional responses to faults within the house. Also, they are very literally just making money because they happen to own an extra house. The fact that one person can own multiple houses, when many cannot even afford one, iis ridiculous.
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Sep 8, 2019 17:31
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I'm sure you made it all off your own back and it had absolutely nothing to do with luck or privilege. You're a real self made man I'm certain.
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Sep 8, 2019 17:31
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OwlFancier posted:I'm sure you made it all off your own back and it had absolutely nothing to do with luck or privilege. You're a real self made man I'm certain. As much as I'm sure you're not entitled in any way.
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Sep 8, 2019 17:32
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All humans are extremely entitled to a good life. Except landlords, who are entitled to a bullet rather than a rope.
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Sep 8, 2019 17:33
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Andrast posted:But like, going after individual landlords is really pointless. When someone inherits an apartment or something, them selling it instead of renting it out will not improve society one bit. For actual change to happen you need stuff like rent controls, widely available public housing or you know, socialism. How about both? Persuade individual landlords to stop profiting off their luck or advantage at the expense of literally a roof over someone's head AND work on campaigning or voting for policy that would make that happen as standard.
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Sep 8, 2019 17:34
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Second podcast is good. More please.
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Sep 8, 2019 17:34
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Exioce posted:Actually, I have no horse in this race. I have a mortgage, and the deposit certainly wasn't inherited. "I have no experience of the issues being talked about but take my contrarian opinion seriously anyway."
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Sep 8, 2019 17:35
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The left has its own version of incels, evidently, who feel they're owed something that belongs to a private individual.
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Sep 8, 2019 17:35
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Exioce posted:The left has its own version of incels, evidently, who feel they're owed something that belongs to a private individual. Yeah we all just want free stuff, we're lazy millennials on benefits, next.
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Sep 8, 2019 17:36
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well that didn't take long. try using string or something for your mask next time
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Sep 8, 2019 17:37
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The thesis statement of the left, or all elements of it worth a drat, is literally that private property is inherently morally abhorrent and responsible for the overwhelming majority of the evils in the world. Like you are not making wry observations here you are literally expressing the basics of marxist thought like it's some cunning own you cretin.
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Sep 8, 2019 17:37
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Exioce posted:The left has its own version of incels, evidently, who feel they're owed something that belongs to a private individual. So how much do you charge the minimum wage retail workers who live in that house you mortgage?
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Sep 8, 2019 17:37
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Andrast posted:But like, going after individual landlords is really pointless. When someone inherits an apartment or something, them selling it instead of renting it out will not improve society one bit. For actual change to happen you need stuff like rent controls, widely available public housing or you know, socialism.
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Sep 8, 2019 17:37
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lmao imagine looking at a landlord class sustaining itself by extracting money from the poor for no work and thinking it's the loving socialists that are the entitled ones
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Sep 8, 2019 17:38
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This must be the mythical shy tory I have heard so much about.
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Sep 8, 2019 17:39
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marktheando posted:Here's that classic Churchill quote about it, even that fat old imperialist tory oval office recognised that landlords are bad Known Marxist Winston Churchill posted:It is quite true that land monopoly is not the only monopoly which exists, but it is by far the greatest of monopolies - it is a perpetual monopoly, and it is the mother of all other forms of monopoly. It is quite true that unearned increments in land are not the only form of unearned or undeserved profit which individuals are able to secure; but it is the principal form of unearned increment which is derived from processes which are not merely not beneficial, but which are positively detrimental to the general public.
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Sep 8, 2019 17:39
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Darth Walrus posted:Any of y'all know anything about this? take too much/mix with booze and it'll stop your heart fairly easily. supposed to be fun when you're knowingly taking it and extremely careful about doses so you don't just pass out
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Sep 8, 2019 17:39
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Pochoclo posted:Yeah we all just want free stuff, we're lazy millennials on benefits, next. Correction, you feel entitled to something that belongs to someone else. "You're not using that vagina, you didn't do any work to obtain it, it was a stroke of luck, so I'm entitled to stick my dick in it whether you like it or not"
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Sep 8, 2019 17:39
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Exioce posted:Correction, you feel entitled to something that belongs to someone else. How do you feel about taxes?
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Sep 8, 2019 17:40
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Exioce posted:The left has its own version of incels, evidently, who feel they're owed something that belongs to a private individual. what if abusing the fact that you have societally dangerous forms of private property is the problem
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Sep 8, 2019 17:40
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I CANNOT EJACULATE WITHOUT SEEING NATIVE AMERICANS BRUTALISED!
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Exioce posted:The left has its own version of incels, evidently, who feel they're owed something that belongs to a private individual. Private property is theft by fundamental definition. Compare it to the concept of personal property and show your working.
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Sep 8, 2019 17:40
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Buddy the word for people who think other people are private property is "slave owner"
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Sep 8, 2019 17:41
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A Buttery Pastry posted:If you make people pay rent above upkeep, you're extorting them. The fact that this is how society functions does not absolve you of your guilt, as clearly the lives of the particular people you have power over are very likely made significantly worse by you. Yeah this is probably a good point
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Sep 8, 2019 17:41
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Jose posted:take too much/mix with booze and it'll stop your heart fairly easily. supposed to be fun when you're knowingly taking it and extremely careful about doses so you don't just pass out Exioce posted:The left has its own version of incels, evidently, who feel they're owed something that belongs to a private individual.  If you trace the ownership of any freehold back far enough you'll find a theft, usually by some king or lord or government. Imagine comparing that to rights over your own body.
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Exioce posted:The left has its own version of incels, evidently, who feel they're owed something that belongs to a private individual. Your taxes are going up binch.
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Sep 8, 2019 17:42
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Andrast posted:How do you feel about taxes? I like taxes. We should have them at a higher rate though.
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Sep 8, 2019 17:43
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In case you need it spelled out for you, people are not property, and if the only way you can conceive of bodily autonomy is in terms of property rights then that makes you a libertarian and I'm going to assume you want to gently caress children like the rest of them.
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Sep 8, 2019 17:43
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suck my woke dick posted:what if abusing the fact that you have societally dangerous forms of private property is the problem That would be a problem, yes. But not all landlords abuse their power. I wouldn't even say the majority do.
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Exioce posted:Correction, you feel entitled to something that belongs to someone else. Lol I hope you do some reading and real world learning and eventually understand why what you just said is so loving stupid I can't even find the words to answer, I really do, because drat that's a hell of a take. Imagine equating being threatened with homelessness and being desperate and your life and your family's life is crumbling around you to the point where you stop paying your rent because otherwise your children will starve to death, to justificating rape. Pochoclo fucked around with this message at 17:48 on Sep 8, 2019 |
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