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Purple Prince posted:I mean most people are just trying to get on with their lives and provide security for themselves and their families. A lot of the landlord 'class' is just people who happened to get jobs that pay them a high enough salary to have more than one house and who decide to rent out the extra one because free money is cool. what, acting according to their economic incentives absolves them of individual responsibility? that's not unproblematic
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Diet Crack posted:I can't stop laughing at this loving Op-ed, it's hilarious on so many levels: What was that bernie slogan; we welcome your hatred? e: Also lol @ the state of Exioce's posting.
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Noxville posted:Lmao at the fact that there is more than one member of the press who has been cucked by Boris Johnson and still gives him full support wait hang on this is by William Cash who isn’t the same person as Sir William Cash, perennial runner-up in the Parliamentary Stereotypical Toff contest
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Purple Prince posted:They might also not be partisans of orthodox Marxist-Leninist thought, just putting it out there. What do you think landlording is if not breaking the fundamenal social bond between people? You can not have an equitable relationship with your landlord, or your boss, or anyone who has that kind of power over you. No, not everyone in a capitalist society profits in an exploitative way. The people who do not own property and who must sell their capacity to labour in exchange for continued subsistence are the exploited. The ones who own property and extract their means of subsistence from others as a result of that are the exploiters. If you want to foster the fundamental social bonds between people then the eradication of landlording and the transfer of the means of production into the hands of the people who work in it is absolutely necessary, because you can only have an equitable social bond between people who are not on opposite sides of an exploter/exploited relationship. OwlFancier fucked around with this message at 18:11 on Sep 8, 2019 |
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Exioce is one of those people who thinks it's fair to put a starving person who steals food to survive on trial.
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Sep 8, 2019 18:09
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Does Macron have an election coming up or something
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Purple Prince posted:I mean most people are just trying to get on with their lives and provide security for themselves and their families. A lot of the landlord 'class' is just people who happened to get jobs that pay them a high enough salary to have more than one house and who decide to rent out the extra one because free money is cool. No, it's easy to hate on them and you really should.
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Gonzo McFee posted:It rules that it's an open secret that our Prime Minister has scores of bastards across the country but our press only mention it in passing or through codes hidden if stories about our schools falling test scores. What are the secret code words?
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Zedsdeadbaby posted:Does Macron have an election coming up or something I don't think so, but no French president ever lost popularity by pissing on the English, and they're the stick part of the EU's answer to all this. The carrot bit will be 'alright you can have your election, but only if you actually make up your loving minds after that."
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Purple Prince posted:I mean most people are just trying to get on with their lives and provide security for themselves and their families. A lot of the landlord 'class' is just people who happened to get jobs that pay them a high enough salary to have more than one house and who decide to rent out the extra one because free money is cool. I dunno, I feel like you might be underestimating the number of "professional" landlords who own multiple homes - and how much of the renting stock is owned by these landlords rather than normal middle-class people with well-paid jobs (or fixed income retirees who need to top up their meagre pensions, god bless 'em, or any other trope).
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Sex isn't a need, shelter is. Exploiting a need to the point where a person is spending half their wages where they worked 40 hours a week to get purely out of your advantage over them isn't akin to sex. It's gross as gently caress to suggest it is.
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Perusing the landlord's Rap Sheet and expecting a bunch of hilarious probes and bans... turns out they've had an account since 2003 and only ever had one other probation. They just get insanely horny about private property I suppose. Seems a bit of a travesty that they only got a 1-dayer, unless that's the maximum that VG could give or something Captain Fargle posted:Exioce is one of those people who thinks it's fair to put a starving person who steals food to survive on trial. I am warning you Javert, I was born inside a jail!
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Tijuana Bibliophile posted:what, acting according to their economic incentives absolves them of individual responsibility? that's not unproblematic It's contradictory in a Marxist framework to hold both that: 1) People's ideology and ways of thinking are fundamentally conditioned by their economic environment, and therefore most people will tend to act in a way that cohere with their social and economic context. (Marx) 2) People are totally responsible for choices they make which aren't in the Marxist framework and seeking to achieve Full Communism. Such people are morally reprehensible and should be shot. (Soviet propaganda / Marxist-Leninism) This is why the Soviets hated critical theory so much, incidentally, it emphasised understanding 1 over doctrinaire readings of 2.
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Failed Imagineer posted:Perusing the landlord's Rap Sheet and expecting a bunch of hilarious probes and bans... turns out they've had an account since 2003 and only ever had one other probation. They just get insanely horny about private property I suppose. I did look at their post history and its almost entirely in a wargame thread about how good British tanks are though.
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Captain Fargle posted:Exioce is one of those people who thinks it's fair to put a starving person who steals food to survive on trial. A trial's potentially OK so long as they get off at the end without legal fees or a criminal record (and get pointed in the direction of a state support service to help them not starve). Means you weed out the people who are just being entitled pricks to service staff, and gets the people in real trouble on a route out of trouble. I mean, if we're talking about utopian post-capitalist societies, anyway.
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Purple Prince posted:It's contradictory in a Marxist framework to hold both that: It is entirely possible however to suggest that: 1. People are products of their environment and don't really have much agency. 2. Regardless of this, it is useful to believe otherwise as this is how people actually think and encouraging them to think this way is a useful form of political agitation. So, people do not have agency, but you should hate them anyway because that is the only way the systemic forces that make them do bad things are going to be changed. This is also the only way that you can really square your human experience with the belief that the world is entirely determinisitc so I also recommend it for that reason.
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Junior G-man posted:No, it's easy to hate on them and you really should. tbh i'd prefer to rent from a faceless corporation than a private landlord because at least the faceless corporation doesn't give a poo poo about me while the private landlord could decide to actively make my life hell for being too gay/admitting i vote corbyn to gently caress the landlord class/no reason at all he just hates me
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I CANNOT EJACULATE WITHOUT SEEING NATIVE AMERICANS BRUTALISED!
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suck my woke dick posted:tbh i'd prefer to rent from a faceless corporation than a private landlord because at least the faceless corporation doesn't give a poo poo about me while the private landlord could decide to actively make my life hell for being too gay/admitting i vote corbyn to gently caress the landlord class/no reason at all he just hates me Also, in my experience faceless corporate landlords tend to be better with repairs etc. because they keep handymen on call/staff and are somewhat aware of their legal responsibilities. I sued my landlord in uni three times and won all three - twice in court. gently caress that guy and gently caress all landlords.
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A corporation might actually be less loving restrictive about the poo poo you can do in a rental property too.
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Gonzo McFee posted:Sex isn't a need, shelter is. Exploiting a need to the point where a person is spending half their wages where they worked 40 hours a week to get purely out of your advantage over them isn't akin to sex. It's gross as gently caress to suggest it is. actually sex is a need and the NHS should provide hookers 
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Small time landlords are like helicopter bosses for your home.
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suck my woke dick posted:actually sex is a need and the NHS should provide hookers Read this in the Kermit voice of Jordan Peterson.
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suck my woke dick posted:actually sex is a need and the NHS should provide hookers I already work in an outsourced NHS funded ward I'm not adding gigoloing to my job description.
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holy poo poo that vagina analogy  when that guy gets out of forums jail he’s going to have redtext on his redtext
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Failed Imagineer posted:Seems a bit of a travesty that they only got a 1-dayer, unless that's the maximum that VG could give or something I can go all the way up to perma if I wish as an admin, however I went with a day because of their rap sheet and I have always been an escalations kind of mod and also because I am not really a D&D mod and as such I did not want to overstep. If any of the D&D mods put up a harsher penalty I will gladly approve it.
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suck my woke dick posted:actually sex is a need and the NHS should provide hookers I was wondering why there was a shortage of beds in hospitals across the country
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Julio Cruz posted:holy poo poo that vagina analogy theres actually zero difference between good & bad things. you imbecile. you loving moron
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Purple Prince posted:It's contradictory in a Marxist framework to hold both that: well, there's that of course, the constrictions of the Marxist framework. critical theory and all that. contradictions really i assure you I'm genuinely granting credence to this persuasive argument on the limits to personal responsibility
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Oh hey, you remember how all of this week BoJo and the government have been saying that they're negotiating hard in Brussels and things are moving: FT posted:EU talks over Brexit stall as Westminster descends into chaos No galloping shock, but they're full of poo poo.
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VideoGames posted:I can go all the way up to perma if I wish as an admin, however I went with a day because of their rap sheet and I have always been an escalations kind of mod and also because I am not really a D&D mod and as such I did not want to overstep. no i want round two of make fun of the oblivious landlord
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Junior G-man posted:Oh hey, you remember how all of this week BoJo and the government have been saying that they're negotiating hard in Brussels and things are moving: Technically, proposing to remove several already-agreed aspects of the deal is offering a new deal 
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Another element of landlords that's come into being recently is landlords buying properties to rent as AirBnBs, this has become such a thing that I remember reading a story about an apartment block in Canada that's basically an unregulated hotel because all the units are owned by landlords renting them out on a nightly basis.
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njsykora posted:Another element of landlords that's come into being recently is landlords buying properties to rent as AirBnBs, this has become such a thing that I remember reading a story about an apartment block in Canada that's basically an unregulated hotel because all the units are owned by landlords renting them out on a nightly basis. replace "canada" with "every major city in a place that has tourists", hth
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njsykora posted:A corporation might actually be less loving restrictive about the poo poo you can do in a rental property too. There's a theory that professional landlords, i.e. entities that own entire apartment blocks, or individuals who spend all their time looking after their property, are more likely to be more "tolerant" because they're not really looking to profit from the rental income rather the increase in value as represented by property in an always growing economy. They have an interest in protecting the property, keeping it well maintained, keeping tenants long-term, because the stability of the investment is secured. Really the problem is that it's poo poo to have no money. So of course people are going to look to have more than no-money (via rents, investments, etc..) So if having no-money was less poo poo then people wouldn't need to have more than no-money. This is my grand theory of let's make stuff good without need for money.
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suck my woke dick posted:replace "canada" with "every major city in a place that has tourists", hth Yeah I realise this is going to be a thing basically everywhere, just Canada is the one I hear most about because a lot of Canadians I follow on Twitter talk about it a lot.
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Junior G-man posted:Also, in my experience faceless corporate landlords tend to be better with repairs etc. because they keep handymen on call/staff and are somewhat aware of their legal responsibilities. Orwell posted:I found—one might expect it, perhaps—that the small landlords are usually the worst. It goes against the grain to say this, but one can see why it should be so. Ideally, the worst type of slum landlord is a fat wicked man, preferably a bishop, who is drawing an immense income from extortionate rents. Actually, it is a poor old woman who has invested her life’s savings in three slum houses, inhabits one of them, and tries to live on the rent of the other two—never, in consequence, having any money for repairs.
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Mrenda posted:There's a theory that professional landlords, i.e. entities that own entire apartment blocks, or individuals who spend all their time looking after their property, are more likely to be more "tolerant" because they're not really looking to profit from the rental income rather the increase in value as represented by property in an always growing economy. They have an interest in protecting the property, keeping it well maintained, keeping tenants long-term, because the stability of the investment is secured. that's a lot of words to say "universal basic income" suck my woke dick fucked around with this message at 18:45 on Sep 8, 2019 |
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