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namesake
Jun 19, 2006

"When I was a girl, around 12 or 13, I had a fantasy that I'd grow up to marry Captain Scarlet, but he'd be busy fighting the Mysterons so I'd cuckold him with the sexiest people I could think of - Nigel Mansell, Pat Sharp and Mr. Blobby."

OwlFancier posted:

I don't think I've read a book in like, five years, maybe ten?

I have a bookcase but mostly for ornamental purposes at this point.

Do you order books by the yard to fill it?

135: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KGD2z9X_7NE

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forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

Corgis love bread. And Puro


OwlFancier posted:

I don't think I've read a book in like, five years, maybe ten?

I'm assuming in a fantasy where I can afford a place with 2 rooms (or more) I'm wealthy. Coz I'm not sure I've bought more than 5 ebooks in a decade. Maybe 10. If not for certain Russian websites I'd have deleted the Kindle app off my phone donkeys years ago.

I'd definitely always pick physical media where money isn't an issue.

Ms Adequate
Oct 30, 2011

Baby even when I'm dead and gone
You will always be my only one, my only one
When the night is calling
No matter who I become
You will always be my only one, my only one, my only one
When the night is calling



OwlFancier posted:

Even in a more decentralized setup it's nice to live next to the shops. Not really sure what I'd do with a full size house honestly, other than fill it with poo poo I don't really need.

Suppose it depends on how far we're going. Going Full Pol Pot and evacuating all the cities at gunpoint? Setting everyone up in crofter's houses on the Shetlands? Or just moving things more towards small towns and small cities so more people live in places of like 30,000-100,000 and fewer in multi-million-people metropolises?

Plus it's gonna depend on where you are. The yanks have plenty of room for something like that. The Japanese... less so.

Pound_Coin posted:

knowing this thread? there'd at least be a warhams room and a BDSM dungeon

You were replying to OwlFancier not me :v:

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

It's full of the books I used to read when I read books, most of which are extremely yellow at this point and about 2/3rds of which are the complete discworld series except for eric because I lost that one.

DiscoWitch
Oct 16, 2009

uwu
Le Corbusier! That's the guy I was thinking of. When I learned about that style/era of architecture I think I saw the concept for the buildings through my socialist goggles and I didnt pick up on any capitalist undercurrents of the man himself! to be fair i was an art student and the focus was more on the design.

I'm the kind of weirdo who goes to the metro centre and thinks it could be improved by building apartments on top of it. I also realise that this can easily be dystopian as gently caress in reality. Why does my brain want me to live in mega city one?

freddiestarfish
Dec 4, 2005
I LIKE RABBITS
My landlord owns 2 houses and rents me the second at a fraction of the market rate. I currently don't earn enough to pay a mortgage so can use this cheap house to save up. Is he bad?

Pochoclo
Feb 4, 2008

No...
Clapping Larry

OwlFancier posted:

Even in a more decentralized setup it's nice to live next to the shops. Not really sure what I'd do with a full size house honestly, other than fill it with poo poo I don't really need.

I know what you mean, I'm perfectly happy living in a tiny flat in a big city centre, but a lot of people aren't. Takes all kinds, so I think if you make housing accessible and jobs not so centralised, population will distribute itself.

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

Corgis love bread. And Puro


freddiestarfish posted:

My landlord owns 2 houses and rents me the second at a fraction of the market rate. I currently don't earn enough to pay a mortgage so can use this cheap house to save up. Is he bad?

I like that this is meant to be a gotcha but yes.

I could go into it more, like how he came to own the house and so on, so forth, but eh, why bother? He's bad.

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

Ms Adequate posted:

Suppose it depends on how far we're going. Going Full Pol Pot and evacuating all the cities at gunpoint? Setting everyone up in crofter's houses on the Shetlands? Or just moving things more towards small towns and small cities so more people live in places of like 30,000-100,000 and fewer in multi-million-people metropolises?

Plus it's gonna depend on where you are. The yanks have plenty of room for something like that. The Japanese... less so.


You were replying to OwlFancier not me :v:

I mean I live in a medium sized town and spend most of my free time in what I guess are small towns. I am unused to buildings taller than three stories and two most of the time.

Even in that sort of scale there's a lot of terracing and putting people close together because it's actually kind of nice, and as said it puts more people as close as possible to the facilities.

Plus you get a fairly sharp divide between the town and the surrounding countryside, which I think is a really important thing, being able to go from your house to somewhere natural on foot in a few minutes is deeply enjoyable. This is the pattern you see in a lot of older towns and it's one I think makes for a nice way to live.

It's not a big stretch to extend that to the odd little housing block or more decent terraces with walls not made of tissue paper. Not everywhere needs to be separate houses with gardens that mostly go unused.

StarkingBarfish
Jun 25, 2006

Novus Ordo Seclorum

Igotadigbick posted:

Le Corbusier! That's the guy I was thinking of. When I learned about that style/era of architecture I think I saw the concept for the buildings through my socialist goggles and I didnt pick up on any capitalist undercurrents of the man himself! to be fair i was an art student and the focus was more on the design.

I'm the kind of weirdo who goes to the metro centre and thinks it could be improved by building apartments on top of it. I also realise that this can easily be dystopian as gently caress in reality. Why does my brain want me to live in mega city one?

Corbusier wasn't so bad really- he was keen on the idea that you use the high density housing to create open communal spaces between, which if done well means you don't get urban sprawl- the parkland is for everyone. He was an 'urban planner' more than just an architect. The problem is that to a property developer this kind of housing was seen as a way to pack more money in per square meter of ground space, and the parks didn't get a look in.

I'd be all for high density housing if it meant you could surround each building with fields, parkland and public spaces. That's the luxury communism bit.

A Buttery Pastry
Sep 4, 2011

Delicious and Informative!
:3:

Ms Adequate posted:

Or just moving things more towards small towns and small cities so more people live in places of like 30,000-100,000 and fewer in multi-million-people metropolises?
We'd probably destroy the last remaining wilderness doing that. The more centralized humanity is, the more chances all the species we share the world have to thrive.

StarkingBarfish posted:

Corbusier wasn't so bad really- he was keen on the idea that you use the high density housing to create open communal spaces between, which if done well means you don't get urban sprawl- the parkland is for everyone. He was an 'urban planner' more than just an architect. The problem is that to a property developer this kind of housing was seen as a way to pack more money in per square meter of ground space, and the parks didn't get a look in.

I'd be all for high density housing if it meant you could surround each building with fields, parkland and public spaces. That's the luxury communism bit.
This doesn't work out well in practice, at least at the scale of Corbusier and his contemporaries. The spaces become too vast, making them feel unsafe, in a way that actual open fields don't.

A Buttery Pastry fucked around with this message at 19:58 on Sep 8, 2019

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

A Buttery Pastry posted:

We'd probably destroy the last remaining wilderness doing that. The more centralized humanity is, the more chances all the species we share the world have to thrive.

We could saw off the south of england with a big angle grinder and then tell everyone in the north to stop having kids.

suck my woke dick
Oct 10, 2012

:siren:I CANNOT EJACULATE WITHOUT SEEING NATIVE AMERICANS BRUTALISED!:siren:

Put this cum-loving slave on ignore immediately!

Julio Cruz posted:

just spent a week in a holiday let and forget lockpicking, the box the keys were in didn’t look like it’d stand up to even a moderate blow with a medium hammer

the point of lockpicking isn't getting through doors you can't destroy (there are very few doors you can't destroy), it's to get through doors without making enough noise to attract witnesses or leaving a conspicuous pile of door debris

DiscoWitch
Oct 16, 2009

uwu
It was the surrounding the high density buildings with greenery and parkland, connecting joining buildings and reducing the amount of land used for roads and such that really helped sell the idea to me like, self contained buildings with all the facilities in the middle of seas of fields and nature. It just speaks to me!

I did also like earthships, small individual housing out in nature, all off grid and made out of reclaimed materials like rammed earth tires full of clever engineering solutions to recycle water and regulate temperature.

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

No again I've been replaying deus ex and the point of lockpicking is to get through doors you can't open with the gep gun.

suck my woke dick
Oct 10, 2012

:siren:I CANNOT EJACULATE WITHOUT SEEING NATIVE AMERICANS BRUTALISED!:siren:

Put this cum-loving slave on ignore immediately!

A Buttery Pastry posted:

We'd probably destroy the last remaining wilderness doing that. The more centralized humanity is, the more chances all the species we share the world have to thrive.

Decentralisation sucks unless you somehow drop world population by 2/3. No, you don't get to use the nukes.

kingturnip
Apr 18, 2008

StarkingBarfish posted:

Corbusier wasn't so bad really- he was keen on the idea that you use the high density housing to create open communal spaces between, which if done well means you don't get urban sprawl- the parkland is for everyone. He was an 'urban planner' more than just an architect. The problem is that to a property developer this kind of housing was seen as a way to pack more money in per square meter of ground space, and the parks didn't get a look in.

I'd be all for high density housing if it meant you could surround each building with fields, parkland and public spaces. That's the luxury communism bit.

Well, and - from memory - he was also keen on the idea of housing design being a 'waste no space' kind of deal.
If everything you need is within easy reach, why do you need such luxury as 'room to move'.

CoolCab
Apr 17, 2005

glem

suck my woke dick posted:

the point of lockpicking isn't getting through doors you can't destroy (there are very few doors you can't destroy), it's to get through doors without making enough noise to attract witnesses or leaving a conspicuous pile of door debris

you could probably get away with one hammer swing under the guise of pretending to knock if you were canny

suck my woke dick
Oct 10, 2012

:siren:I CANNOT EJACULATE WITHOUT SEEING NATIVE AMERICANS BRUTALISED!:siren:

Put this cum-loving slave on ignore immediately!

CGI Stardust posted:

do it! it's fun and relaxing. if you want any locks to start out with, I've got a box full of spare euro cylinders (offer stands to anyone interested btw)
*raises hands*

quote:

common problem with security measures, you really get what you pay for. no-one wants to cash out for something actually sturdy and hard to pick
True, but in addition, a lot of moderately expensive security measures are also techbro trash that doesn't work. Apparently, lots of electronic locks have very pickable enclosures accessible from outside the building, so you just pick that lovely lock and short the contact that opens the door.

DiscoWitch
Oct 16, 2009

uwu

kingturnip posted:

If everything you need is within easy reach, why do you need such luxury as 'room to move'.

Room to move is bourgeois propaganda comrade

thespaceinvader
Mar 30, 2011

The slightest touch from a Gol-Shogeg will result in Instant Death!

freddiestarfish posted:

My landlord owns 2 houses and rents me the second at a fraction of the market rate. I currently don't earn enough to pay a mortgage so can use this cheap house to save up. Is he bad?

He's probably less bad than the average landlord, but he's still bad.

To wit:

Why, after you pay him significant amounts of money to live there, do you continue not to own the house, and he pockets the cash?

Vincent Van Goatse
Nov 8, 2006

Enjoy every sandwich.

Smellrose
Most of the available space in my home is taken up by books.

communism bitch
Apr 24, 2009

notaspy posted:

Word up fellow lpl liker. I love that dudes voice and he makes me want to take up lock picking as a hobby.

It's good fun and I recommend it, but I'm real poo poo at it. Raking is so stupid easy on cheap locks though. I have like half a dozen padlocks that I mess around with and almost all of them can be raked in under two seconds. Single pin picking is a different game though, and I can't seem to get it even on crappy locks. I must have ham hands or something.

happyhippy
Feb 21, 2005

Playing games, watching movies, owning goons. 'sup
Pillbug
My city introduced a 4% rent increase cap after some landlords raised rent 50% and pretended it was common city wide.
It was a group of apartments, and a street of houses nearby.
They sent a letter to each saying it was going to increase by 50% and here are some other houses that had the same, listing each other
What they didn't know, some of the tenants of both places worked in the same place, and went straight to the media.

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal
The only landlords I know that I'd not call bad are a bunch of Quakers who restore lovely buildings and rent them at affordable rates to people who really ought to be in council housing, then use any profit to repeat the process.

It's not perfect, because they had to raise money through community investment, which means that someone's expecting a return on investment at some point, but if the council can't/won't do it...

freddiestarfish
Dec 4, 2005
I LIKE RABBITS

thespaceinvader posted:

He's probably less bad than the average landlord, but he's still bad.

To wit:

Why, after you pay him significant amounts of money to live there, do you continue not to own the house, and he pockets the cash?

I could either get a mortgage I can't physically afford, or rent a house at twice the price.
He could sell the house to someone who can afford a mortgage, or what? Give it away, or my rent slowly buys it off him?

Ideally we'd all love a free house but on a personal level how could he do better realistically as buying a house off him slowly in rent wouldn't work as I'll only be here for a fraction of the time it would take to pay off the house.
Hate the system, not ones trying to do a little better.

Hieronymous Alloy
Jan 30, 2009


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Morbid Hound
Commercial / business landlords seem like an exception.

i mean, they're still making money off of a monopoly rent, but otoh, it's a business cost, not homelessness.

Pound_Coin
Feb 5, 2004
£


Ms Adequate posted:


You were replying to OwlFancier not me :v:

Oh I know I was just thinking of the thread collectively (and you)

njsykora
Jan 23, 2012

Robots confuse squirrels.


happyhippy posted:

My city introduced a 4% rent increase cap after some landlords raised rent 50% and pretended it was common city wide.
It was a group of apartments, and a street of houses nearby.
They sent a letter to each saying it was going to increase by 50% and here are some other houses that had the same, listing each other
What they didn't know, some of the tenants of both places worked in the same place, and went straight to the media.

I love when assholes trying to exploit people are rumbled because they never consider that the people they're trying to gently caress over will actually talk to each other.

History Comes Inside!
Nov 20, 2004




freddiestarfish posted:

I could either get a mortgage I can't physically afford, or rent a house at twice the price.
He could sell the house to someone who can afford a mortgage, or what? Give it away, or my rent slowly buys it off him?

Ideally we'd all love a free house but on a personal level how could he do better realistically as buying a house off him slowly in rent wouldn't work as I'll only be here for a fraction of the time it would take to pay off the house.
Hate the system, not ones trying to do a little better.

The key thing is the house shouldn't cost as much as it does in the first place, which would solve basically every one of those angles.

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

Corgis love bread. And Puro


freddiestarfish posted:

Hate the system, not ones trying to do a little better.

¿Por que no los dos?

thespaceinvader
Mar 30, 2011

The slightest touch from a Gol-Shogeg will result in Instant Death!

freddiestarfish posted:

I could either get a mortgage I can't physically afford, or rent a house at twice the price.
He could sell the house to someone who can afford a mortgage, or what? Give it away, or my rent slowly buys it off him?

Ideally we'd all love a free house but on a personal level how could he do better realistically as buying a house off him slowly in rent wouldn't work as I'll only be here for a fraction of the time it would take to pay off the house.
Hate the system, not ones trying to do a little better.

He could put you on a rent to buy arrangement, or just give it to you outright, or sell it to you for a cheap enough rate that you could afford a mortgage.

WHy does he get to do a little better, when you don't? He has no need for a second house, you have need for a first. Why the inequality?

goddamnedtwisto
Dec 31, 2004

If you ask me about the mole people in the London Underground, I WILL be forced to kill you
Fun Shoe

communism bitch posted:

It's good fun and I recommend it, but I'm real poo poo at it. Raking is so stupid easy on cheap locks though. I have like half a dozen padlocks that I mess around with and almost all of them can be raked in under two seconds. Single pin picking is a different game though, and I can't seem to get it even on crappy locks. I must have ham hands or something.

Get one of those transparent practice locks - some people just can't "see" with their hands, so being able to actually see what you're doing helps a lot.

goddamnedtwisto
Dec 31, 2004

If you ask me about the mole people in the London Underground, I WILL be forced to kill you
Fun Shoe

Hieronymous Alloy posted:

Commercial / business landlords seem like an exception.

i mean, they're still making money off of a monopoly rent, but otoh, it's a business cost, not homelessness.

They're still making unearned profits off other people's work though. Also commercial landlords thinking they deserve the same ROI as residential is why all the good pubs and shops are long loving gone.

goddamnedtwisto
Dec 31, 2004

If you ask me about the mole people in the London Underground, I WILL be forced to kill you
Fun Shoe

njsykora posted:

I love when assholes trying to exploit people are rumbled because they never consider that the people they're trying to gently caress over will actually talk to each other.

This is why it's considered impolite to talk about how much you earn.

Borrovan
Aug 15, 2013

IT IS ME.
🧑‍💼
I AM THERESA MAY


freddiestarfish posted:

I could either get a mortgage I can't physically afford, or rent a house at twice the price.
He could sell the house to someone who can afford a mortgage, or what? Give it away, or my rent slowly buys it off him?

Ideally we'd all love a free house but on a personal level how could he do better realistically as buying a house off him slowly in rent wouldn't work as I'll only be here for a fraction of the time it would take to pay off the house.
Hate the system, not ones trying to do a little better.
The reason homes are so expensive is because there aren't enough houses, because of all the loving landlords profiteering off the fact that people can't afford to buy homes. Hate on the landlords all the time, because (a)creating & profiteering off a crisis is shameful behaviour that deserves to be shamed, (b)shaming all the landlords will make landlordism less socially acceptable and so lead to fewer landlords, and (c)shaming all the landlords itself becoming more commonplace is a necessary precursor to the legislature giving fewer fucks what landlords have to say about things and implementing poo poo like rent controls.

Like I'm not saying we have to guillotine them all right away, but we could at least fling a little bit of dog poo poo at them or something?

thespaceinvader
Mar 30, 2011

The slightest touch from a Gol-Shogeg will result in Instant Death!
Yeah, commercial landlords are one of the reasons we don't have independent businesses any more, because they charge such exorbitant rates that only fellow exploitative shitbags can afford them.

Jose
Jul 24, 2007

Adrian Chiles is a broadcaster and writer
https://twitter.com/MarkDiStef/status/1170779568900321280?s=20

Ms Adequate
Oct 30, 2011

Baby even when I'm dead and gone
You will always be my only one, my only one
When the night is calling
No matter who I become
You will always be my only one, my only one, my only one
When the night is calling



suck my woke dick posted:

Decentralisation sucks unless you somehow drop world population by 2/3. No, you don't get to use the nukes.

Why, what're you gonna do if I do? Call the nuke police? Good luck, I nuked them :smug:

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CGI Stardust
Nov 7, 2010


Brexit is but a door,
election time is but a window.

I'll be back
If you're in the UK, sure; abroad might take some work to look at postage etc. but might still be doable. If you're just starting out, I could pin up some standard pin tumbler euros 2-pin, 3-pin, a couple of 4-pin, then one or two 5 or 6 pin? Whatever works; let me know what you're looking for.

communism bitch posted:

It's good fun and I recommend it, but I'm real poo poo at it. Raking is so stupid easy on cheap locks though. I have like half a dozen padlocks that I mess around with and almost all of them can be raked in under two seconds. Single pin picking is a different game though, and I can't seem to get it even on crappy locks. I must have ham hands or something.
For SPP, you need a tension tool with a good fit especially when dealing with security pins, your picks need to be able to find the pins and lift precisely without disturbing set pins too much (so you need a mix of hook lengths), and a vice can help. Also if locks are too poo poo, with dreadful tolerances, then it can be next to impossible to get pins to bind and you get rubbish feedback (looking at you, Masterlock No. 3, absolute piece of trash, fun to rake though). It takes a bit of practice to get there even when you're dealing with a lock with ok tolerances and using the correct tools. Progressive pinning can help, but that's not possible on cheap padlocks. Again, if you're interested, I could ship you some locks pinned up for practice.

goddamnedtwisto posted:

Get one of those transparent practice locks - some people just can't "see" with their hands, so being able to actually see what you're doing helps a lot.
If anyone's planning on doing this and can afford it, get a good repinnable cutaway lock, not an acrylic transparent. Plastic locks tend to be poo poo at feedback - just not enough mass (or whatever) - and they can't be repinned to get some variety. Also a bunch of them can be opened just by sticking the tension tool into the keyway, which isn't ideal if you're looking to learn technique!

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