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Wait, Target pays it's cart pushers 2 dollars an hour? What?
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You're legally allowed to pay mentally handicapped people less than minimum wage, I think.
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Sep 7, 2019 09:35
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Cicero posted:You're legally allowed to pay mentally handicapped people less than minimum wage, I think. Why?
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Sep 7, 2019 09:50
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Gort posted:Why? This like most things in America has a very simple explanation 
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Sep 7, 2019 09:50
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Yeah, there are a lot of exceptions, but I didn't think Target did. It's usually a big pain in the rear end to set up a different pay scale. At walmart the cart pushers and door greeters (The ones that haven't just been transitioned over to being full AP associates) get paid the same A level as the rest. I know goodwill does it, but their entire labor group is made up from exploiting that. I just imagined with most large businesses that they wouldn't care as much, it'd cost more than it's worth to have a special program and all that. Besides, they're already paying more than minimum wage anyways.(Begrudgingly so.)
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Sep 7, 2019 09:51
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Cicero posted:You're legally allowed to pay mentally handicapped people less than minimum wage, I think. It's billed as 'enrichment'. My mom briefly worked in a workshop overseeing individuals doing simple work like assembling bobbleheads.
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Sep 7, 2019 09:54
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Gort posted:Why? Yeah, it is a way to incentivize hiring mentally handicapped people. Any business would obviously hire a non mentally handicapped person given the opportunity for identical pay. I think they should definitely be paid more, minimum wage is a minimum for a reason. I don't think it should be this way, but it isn't all bad. Some people do get a lot out of it. My store gets a lot of autistic kids and their caretakers in all the time, and talking with them after seeing them out working they can be just so happy to be part of normal society.
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Sep 7, 2019 11:51
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Sundae posted:I was in that one a few months ago and it was so dead quiet that it was creepy. No music playing, weird-rear end combinations of things by the register (bottled water, cans of roach killer, and dollar underpants), no employees anywhere except registers, etc. Maybe I caught them during a bad time, because your description sounds nothing like when I was there. I didn't even notice the no-music thing. The only weird thing I saw at the register was many signs for "get this diamond ring/necklace/bracelet thing for $20 when you spend $20", as well as a load of San Francisco Giants merchandise which apparently was on offer but nothing was priced. I was in there on the Tuesday morning after Labour Day, so I may have just caught them at their only good time! The rest of the mall was mostly filled with shops, but there weren't many people about.
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Sep 7, 2019 13:41
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Gort posted:Why? Is this a for-real question? Do you have even the slightest capacity for rational thought?
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Sep 7, 2019 13:51
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Beachcomber posted:Everyone always raves about Costco, but it seems like most of the savings are on processed foods. I can get milk, meat, and produce at better prices at higher quality so I really don't get it. Organic chicken breast, household staples, gas, cheap solid jackets, are just a few items I think are Best Buy’s there over most places. Not to mention their salmon burgers, canned goods and so on.
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Sep 7, 2019 16:06
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pseudanonymous posted:Is this a for-real question? Do you have even the slightest capacity for rational thought? Hi, I'm from a civilized country where we don't believe in punishing people for poo poo that really isn't their fault to begin with. Instead of paying them poo poo, we subsidize their wages and/or provide the companies with tax deductions. That way they feel like they are productive members of society and we can use the social support functions on people who can't work at all. Clean, efficient and nice.
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Sep 7, 2019 17:06
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Yeah, I was about to say that subsidizing wages for people who are mentally handicapped makes way the gently caress more sense. Especially since that's what already happens, except in this case it's their caretakers who are effectively subsidizing them.
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Sep 7, 2019 18:21
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Yeah, I'm not an expert, but I think the logic is that basically any minimum wage work is probably going to just be taking money out of their disability payment through higher earnings so it doesn't matter who's paying them. So, store pays them a prorated wage and they get to keep their disability. Theoretically. Still conceptually hosed, obviously and there are way better ways to do it.
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Sep 7, 2019 20:00
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If you earn "too much" money you lose a shitload of free services/healthcare for serious disabilities, physical or mental. The reduced wage exists as a way for said severely disabled people to be "working in society" without losing those benefits and it's not something that every business out there is allowed to do. That said Target has been n the news much more often for violating ADA rules against their disabled employees than they have been for managing to get the necessary exemptions that would allow them to hire a bunch and pay them under minimum wage.
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Sep 7, 2019 20:33
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Parakeet vs. Phone posted:Yeah, I'm not an expert, but I think the logic is that basically any minimum wage work is probably going to just be taking money out of their disability payment through higher earnings so it doesn't matter who's paying them. So, store pays them a prorated wage and they get to keep their disability. Theoretically. The major issue with our way of doing it is that the company is effectively benefiting from exploitation even if there's technically some aid available for the disabled person and their caretakers. Wages should be entirely subsidized and businesses should be taxed to support that so that businesses aren't disincentivized from hiring disabled people, but they are still collectively paying for their labor. It's not just a conceptual problem; it's also a practical ethical issue that businesses are benefiting from near slave labor.
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Sep 7, 2019 20:37
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https://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/2019-09-10-gamestop-to-close-180-200-underperforming-stores-globally-this-year Gamestop closing 180-200 stores by the end of the fiscal year with more planned in the next 12-24 months.
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Sep 11, 2019 02:14
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You know that your business model is unsustainable when you pay your workers nothing, chisel your customers and sell overpriced poo poo yet can't keep the doors open.
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Sep 11, 2019 03:15
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JustJeff88 posted:You know that your business model is unsustainable when you pay your workers nothing, chisel your customers and sell overpriced poo poo yet can't keep the doors open. part of it is that digital storefronts exist, but I wonder how much of it is due to Gamestop actively driving away their own customer base with the constant upselling of warranties and undercoating or whatever
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Sep 11, 2019 03:32
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OhFunny posted:https://news.yahoo.com/kmart-sears-closing-additional-stores-040526976.html My hometown k-mart in Barberton OH is finally closing. I never knew how it managed to stave off the previous 87 rounds but it’s time has finally come. RIP the place all my friends broke their shoplifting cherry at....
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Sep 11, 2019 03:40
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Dehry posted:https://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/2019-09-10-gamestop-to-close-180-200-underperforming-stores-globally-this-year Funko POP! bought them as much time as it could.
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Sep 11, 2019 03:43
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JustJeff88 posted:You know that your business model is unsustainable when you pay your workers nothing, chisel your customers and sell overpriced poo poo yet can't keep the doors open. I feel slightly sad for GameStop since video game publishers squeezed every cent out of them and supposedly left them almost no margins on actual games. Plus the move to digital games was always going to be a killer. It was a funny few years when the publishers were actively trying to kill pre-owned game sales to spite Gamestop and Gamestop was shifting everything to pre-owned games and trade-ins to carve out a profit from the publishers. But then again, they ran a bad shopping experience, barely adapted and managed to treat their employees and customers pretty bad so 
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Sep 11, 2019 04:15
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I don't know what it would/would have looked like, but I feel like in a different world GameStop could have made a successful Best Buy like pivot if they weren't so entrenched as themselves.
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Sep 11, 2019 04:55
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Dameius posted:I don't know what it would/would have looked like, but I feel like in a different world GameStop could have made a successful Best Buy like pivot if they weren't so entrenched as themselves. EB in Australia is the local counterpart of Gamestop and as far as I know they don't do any of the upselling poo poo, maybe because Australians have zero patience for it. And they seem to be doing okay, though the store is about half game merchandise along with actual games.
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Sep 11, 2019 05:09
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Gamestop should have realize what was going on around them. Poor management and a lack of cash flow killed them. pretty loving typical of most businesses that fail. Why did these idiots not take a loving look at blockbuster as to what happens when you only sell the information on physical media and don't own the content. Bestbuy on the otherhand has been turning around their operations because of their new CEO. a former hotel mogul, they pivoted towards service over all to retain customers. Gamestop did not.
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Sep 11, 2019 05:16
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OhFunny posted:Funko POP! bought them as much time as it could. Are these dumb things going away too?
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Sep 11, 2019 07:13
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Funkopops will be the last surviving evidence that there was a tool-using species on this planet.
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Sep 11, 2019 07:19
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Ghost Leviathan posted:EB in Australia is the local counterpart of Gamestop and as far as I know they don't do any of the upselling poo poo, maybe because Australians have zero patience for it. And they seem to be doing okay, though the store is about half game merchandise along with actual games. And as a counterpoint to this Game Traders and GAME used to be here in Australia aswell and followed their orgin of home company policy, and well the local GAME store closed and the local game traders broke free and become a local game and gaming collectible store before EB started
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Sep 11, 2019 09:10
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Wrex Ruckus posted:part of it is that digital storefronts exist, but I wonder how much of it is due to Gamestop actively driving away their own customer base with the constant upselling of warranties and undercoating or whatever That's been a really common thing in retail; instead of getting with the times they're just like "hey let's yell at our employees more, give them impossible quotas, and force them to put stupid bullshit the customers don't even want!" Then when customers inevitably get sick of it because you can just buy everything from Amazon cheaper, with significantly less hassle, without going anywhere, and in your underwear at whatever time you loving feel like they create stupid bullshit like customer engagement programs. Yeah, the obvious problem is that the salespeople just aren't saying the right words at customers. If they just smiled more the customers would come back!
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Sep 11, 2019 12:06
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ToxicSlurpee posted:That's been a really common thing in retail; instead of getting with the times they're just like "hey let's yell at our employees more, give them impossible quotas, and force them to put stupid bullshit the customers don't even want!" Then when customers inevitably get sick of it because you can just buy everything from Amazon cheaper, with significantly less hassle, without going anywhere, and in your underwear at whatever time you loving feel like they create stupid bullshit like customer engagement programs. Yeah, the obvious problem is that the salespeople just aren't saying the right words at customers. If they just smiled more the customers would come back!
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Sep 11, 2019 13:19
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I CANNOT EJACULATE WITHOUT SEEING NATIVE AMERICANS BRUTALISED!
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Surely Gamestop has a single biggest issue of all the completely redundant stores they still operate. All the places that were bought out over time and just turned to additional Gamestop locations. Those have finally started shutting down, often in association with the malls they tended to be in dying, but they must still be operating way too many.
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Sep 11, 2019 13:29
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fishmech posted:Surely Gamestop has a single biggest issue of all the completely redundant stores they still operate. All the places that were bought out over time and just turned to additional Gamestop locations. Those have finally started shutting down, often in association with the malls they tended to be in dying, but they must still be operating way too many. Yeah, every town doesn't need a Gamestop. Hell, the Pheasant Lane mall in Nashua had two Gamestops in THE SAME MALL. I think one used to be an EB. The series of mergers and acquisitions that brought us the current monster of Gamestop still bums me out. RIP Electronics Boutique and Babbages.
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Sep 11, 2019 14:34
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kefkafloyd posted:Yeah, every town doesn't need a Gamestop. Hell, the Pheasant Lane mall in Nashua had two Gamestops in THE SAME MALL. I think one used to be an EB. I stole a copy of Borland C++ from Babbages and a copy of Super Metroid from EB when I was a kid. Actually, I spent a lot of time thieving in the Altamonte Springs Mall software retailers now that I think about it.
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Sep 11, 2019 14:41
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Wrex Ruckus posted:part of it is that digital storefronts exist, but I wonder how much of it is due to Gamestop actively driving away their own customer base with the constant upselling of warranties and undercoating or whatever Anyone who's a regional manager of any kind of above gets paid a completely insane amount of money for the work they do, more so than in other retailers IIRC (I haven't worked at GameStop for a while but was a manger for like ten years at various ones). A huge part of GameStop's probably is that its employees are paid poo poo and the stores are understaffed because they just don't have the payroll (meanwhile you'll see like from 2013 to 2014 the top folks basically like doubled their salaries). They also flailed around aimlessly A LOT since 2010. They dropped a lot of money into trying to get into selling tablets, selling cell phone service plans, trying to get into F2P mobile and browser/Facebook games, cloud gaming stuff similar to OnLive, pushing mobile devices and tablets for their gaming ability. They basically bought or invested heavily in all of these smaller companies to do these things like just after the "this is the next big thing!!!" buzz on them was already slowly starting to wane. ToxicSlurpee posted:That's been a really common thing in retail; instead of getting with the times they're just like "hey let's yell at our employees more, give them impossible quotas, and force them to put stupid bullshit the customers don't even want!" Then when customers inevitably get sick of it because you can just buy everything from Amazon cheaper, with significantly less hassle, without going anywhere, and in your underwear at whatever time you loving feel like they create stupid bullshit like customer engagement programs. Yeah, the obvious problem is that the salespeople just aren't saying the right words at customers. If they just smiled more the customers would come back! fishmech posted:Surely Gamestop has a single biggest issue of all the completely redundant stores they still operate. All the places that were bought out over time and just turned to additional Gamestop locations. Those have finally started shutting down, often in association with the malls they tended to be in dying, but they must still be operating way too many. This too, GameStop regional managers were always full of this "I want to rule the streets" (exact verbiage at meetings) attitude of having a ton of stores everywhere all the time and never actually adapting at all in any way and how we're just like the Rebel Alliance in Star Wars guys we have to really sacrifice and do everything we can to defeat Best Buy. It was so loving stupid. I hate literally every single person that ever worked as a district manager or above at GameStop, regional manager, loss prevention, HR, whatever, gently caress'em. Neo Rasa fucked around with this message at 15:46 on Sep 11, 2019 |
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Sep 11, 2019 15:29
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kefkafloyd posted:Yeah, every town doesn't need a Gamestop. Hell, the Pheasant Lane mall in Nashua had two Gamestops in THE SAME MALL. I think one used to be an EB. Yeah the mall in my hometown which is now dead still had two separate Gamestop locations in it up til about 2013 or 2014 - former Babbages in the one wing and former EB Games in the other. The mall itself shutdown in late 2017 after pipes burst in the remaining open section - the remaining Gamestop having left a few months earlier.
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Sep 11, 2019 16:00
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now imagine instead of leasing space in a shopping center every half mile for a Gamestop, you built a giant building every half mile. the CVS/Walgreens experience.
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Sep 11, 2019 16:07
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Proud Christian Mom posted:now imagine instead of leasing space in a shopping center every half mile for a Gamestop, you built a giant building every half mile. the CVS/Walgreens experience. At least that way you own some real estate assets instead of nothing.
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Sep 11, 2019 16:27
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kefkafloyd posted:Yeah, every town doesn't need a Gamestop. Hell, the Pheasant Lane mall in Nashua had two Gamestops in THE SAME MALL. I think one used to be an EB. Electronic's Boutique was my first job after coming to the US. It was passable until they got bought out and went public then, you guessed it, they started rolling out the ridiculous quotas and gimmicky bullshit that nobody wanted.
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Sep 11, 2019 16:43
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Sodomy Hussein posted:The writing's pretty much on the wall for the low income every-man mall experience. Even if your Sears, K-Mart, or JC Penney isn't closed yet, death hangs in the air. People probably can and do rob them blind, as literally no one is on the floor to serve customers except in the POS transaction islands. I'm trying to figure out what the third mall is? I assume 1 & 2 is Southcenter and Bellevue Square Jack2142 fucked around with this message at 20:11 on Sep 11, 2019 |
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Sep 11, 2019 20:08
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Jack2142 posted:I'm trying to figure out what the third mall is? Alderwood and/or Northgate I assume, though I think Northgate is in the process of doing a massive overhaul. Haven't been up that way in a couple years though.
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Cross roads in Bellevue seems to be doing well and isn't high end.
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