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Nuclear Spoon posted:https://twitter.com/SamCoatesSky/status/1171728144912519168  please let this happenI want to see Boris in a headlock
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JeremoudCorbynejad posted:
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Ok, which one of you is Stephen Bush? https://twitter.com/stephenkb/status/1171733062427848704 EDIT: Suspicious! He deleted the tweet. It was: "On a serious note, a lot of brainworms going about this morning. No-one in the Palace will have only just clocked that the prorogation was a political move." mediadave fucked around with this message at 11:37 on Sep 11, 2019 |
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This isn't correct, the Queen hasn't acted unlawfully. The court has ruled that the PM acted unlawfully in giving false advice to the Queen, which lead to her proroguing Parliament.ROFLBOT posted:So surely the Supreme Court must take into account the Scottish ruling and not just issue a carbon-copy smack down as the English court did previously?
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JeremoudCorbynejad posted:
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Already seeing posts saying this was the queen's master plan all along. 4D chess and all that.
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here's that actual mccluskey quote https://twitter.com/SamCoatesSky/status/1171734012089573376
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Sep 11, 2019 11:36
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https://twitter.com/tnewtondunn/status/1171726506772631553 https://twitter.com/davidallengreen/status/1171733869537693696 
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Boris is about to put his hands on the car and prepare to die.
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Tiger Millionaire posted:Already seeing posts saying this was the queen's master plan all along. 4D chess and all that. Or turn into a castle or a horse if they wanted.
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Tiger Millionaire posted:Already seeing posts saying this was the queen's master plan all along. 4D chess and all that. It's kind of demented how much of a gently caress some people seem to think she secretly gives. I guess the privacy she enjoys allows that kind of silly speculation. I think she just agrees to whatever she is advised to agree to as quickly as possible so she can get back to her gin and Bargain Hunt repeats tbh.
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lol https://twitter.com/stephenkb/status/1171728762695823360
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https://twitter.com/Peston/status/1171535732244193280?s=19 Peston looking a bit dribbly round the edges. "Labour are not going to support the position they have consistently said they'll support! I'm making noises so I can keep my 80k+ salary intact!"
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Sep 11, 2019 11:44
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How does it work with the Supreme Court if what happened is illegal under Scottish law but legal under English law? This might be a conceptually nonsense question, idk.
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Guavanaut posted:"May got a bad deal, Johnson can't get a deal, and No Deal is disastrous for the country. We will try to get a good deal, because we will drop May's dangerous red lines that stopped the country from getting a good deal." isn't far off the truth.
I don't think any of those except the last are in any way reasonable (or compatible with Labour's goals as I undestand them), and I'm unsure on the last one because I don't understand how EU programs are funded at a technical level. So...has Labour set out what its position be, were a Brexit deal to be renegotiated? If so, where can I read it?
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peanut- posted:How does it work with the Supreme Court if what happened is illegal under Scottish law but legal under English law? I ANAL but someone said it has to be legal under both
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Big Keir has said Parliament should start sitting again this afternoon He told the BBC: "Most people didn't believe Boris Johnson, but for the courts to find he has unlawfully shut down Parliament and that his motive wasn't the one he said it was? That's very powerful. "I call on him to recall Parliament. Let's get it back open, and sitting this afternoon and tomorrow, so we can debate what happens next and we can debate this judgement."
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Reminder he was May's chief of staff: https://twitter.com/GavinBarwell/status/1171732144164618240
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I was looking at Keir on the wiki and he has a >50% majority LMBO Labour Keir Starmer 41,343 70.1% +17.2% Conservative Timothy Barnes 10,834 18.4% -3.5%
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Even if the high court overturns this, the headline will have been there for nearly a week....
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peanut- posted:How does it work with the Supreme Court if what happened is illegal under Scottish law but legal under English law? I'm not sure what this constitutional matter falls under but the government has to be seen to obey both the Common Law of E&W and Scots Law to be legitimate. Superterranean posted:What would May's red lines be replaced with? The best list of them I could find in 35 seconds' half-assed searching was Something not dissimilar to this.
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Sep 11, 2019 11:51
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Bobby Deluxe posted:https://twitter.com/Peston/status/1171535732244193280?s=19 No, this makes sense. Labour seem to have consistently suggested that their ideal scenario is to negotiate a reasonably OK Brexit deal and then put it to a referendum against Remain in which they stay neutral. The whole point is that a referendum is the government asking the public to decide between two options that they are equally happy and able to enact.
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Sep 11, 2019 11:54
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Oh, 100+ new posts since this morning let's see what is goin...
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Bobby Deluxe posted:https://twitter.com/Peston/status/1171535732244193280?s=19 lol no way is he only on 80k
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Nuclear Spoon posted:lol no way is he only on 80k 80k+ as in he falls into Labour's proposed top tax bracket
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Arrival chat: I found it pretty boring, but the concept led to a very interesting conversation about philosophy of religion, since it basically introduces viewers to the concept of transcendentalism. The "question" posed at the end that someone mentioned is more of an answer imo: "whether you'd live your life differently" is philosophically absurd from the transcendental perspective, since the tragedy that "will" happen has already happened, simultaneously with everything else that you will ever experience. It's all just life. PM name chat: "Johnson" is also a word for penis & so is self-evidently the superior choice imo Law chat: holy loving poo poo. Pretty sure this is the first time in history an argument based on democracy & the rule of law has been accepted, this is a big loving deal. The Supreme Court is the final court of appeal in Scottish law, so it's Scottish law they should be applying here - but since the decision will also bind what happens in the rUK, the outcome could get a bit messy. Anyone know what remedy the Court of Session ordered? No time to check, but bear in mind that 95% of what the non-legal press has to say about law stuff is bullshit. Other: haven't seen anyone call Tom Watson a oval office for a bit, so just throwing this out there: Tom Watson is a massive loving oval office.
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Private Speech posted:I was looking at Keir on the wiki and he has a >50% majority LMBO I live in his constituency and just vote Green because why the hell not
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Tesseraction posted:Reminder he was May's chief of staff: Wasn't he in her departing honours list as well?
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Guavanaut posted:It'd be cool if anyone could become queen by getting to the end of the board. It's 4D chess though so the "end of the board" is the end of time
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British politics is the best soap opera ever. Just when I think the chaos will die down, suddenly chaos reigns yet again. So what's likely to happen next? Supreme Court ruling?
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Borrovan posted:The Supreme Court is the final court of appeal in Scottish law, so it's Scottish law they should be applying here - but since the decision will also bind what happens in the rUK, the outcome could get a bit messy. JeremoudCorbynejad posted:It's 4D chess though so the "end of the board" is the end of time
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Guavanaut posted:For civil matters but not for criminal matters. I assume it is for constitutional matters too? e: Mr. Fortitude posted:So what's likely to happen next? Supreme Court ruling? What happens in the interim largely depends on (a)what the Court of Session ordered, and (b)politics. I'll try to find the time to look at the judgment later but bear in mind most of what anyone's saying about this is likely to be bullshit. Borrovan fucked around with this message at 12:08 on Sep 11, 2019 |
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What will actually happen to Johnson if he doesn’t recall Parliament? I’m assuming nothing. If so this this basically just a PR thing. Not that I don’t appreciate the Tories being humiliated yet again.
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Borrovan posted:Yep 
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I'm not sure whether to feel sorry for or happy for the podcast dudes, starting it all in arguably the most batshit time in UK politics in a good two years.
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Sep 11, 2019 12:08
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My sources say the death penalty, for
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Lmao https://twitter.com/mister_woodo/status/1171730189337944064?s=21
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Thinking of separate legal systems and 4D chess, I'm surprised that Scottish chess has bishops.
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Borrovan posted:Yep. This is from the summary, not sure if you've seen it: "The Court will accordingly make an Order declaring that the Prime Minister’s advice to HM the Queen and the prorogation which followed thereon was unlawful and is thus null and of no effect."
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tfw when u studied classics and definitely understand mythology
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