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Zoomer fujoshi are wild....liking characters because they ARE a huge pos ftw.
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Ibram Gaunt posted:Zoomer fujoshi are wild....liking characters because they ARE a huge pos ftw. Millenials beat them to it re: the MCU. I’ve been in fandom for a long time, yaoi fangirls are always split between redemption/no redemption needed.
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Sep 12, 2019 15:30
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Yeah it's definitely confirmation bias on my part.
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Sep 12, 2019 15:34
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I hope they spin it around and P5R makes him even worse, and you have to kill him yourself this time
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Sep 12, 2019 15:50
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CharlestonJew posted:I hope they spin it around and P5R makes him even worse, and you have to kill him yourself this time That would be an absolutely bonkers twist and I don't know if that would be better.
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Sep 12, 2019 16:04
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I'm absolutely banking on them letting you romance Sae and making her so much worse in the process, it's gonna fuckin rule
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Sep 12, 2019 16:09
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Shinjobi posted:That would be an absolutely bonkers twist and I don't know if that would be better. by all appearances akechi's the one who's going to bail us out of the lotus-eater bullshit happening in the game's new act so i wouldn't hold my breath
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Sep 12, 2019 16:15
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Shinjobi posted:That would be an absolutely bonkers twist and I don't know if that would be better.
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Sep 12, 2019 16:22
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They need another animation pass on that intro. They really shouldn't be animating fast dance moves on twos and threes like that.
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Sep 12, 2019 16:22
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Arist posted:I'm absolutely banking on them letting you romance Sae and making her so much worse in the process, it's gonna fuckin rule Date Sae AND Makoto for maximum Valentine's Day awkward.
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Sep 12, 2019 16:24
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Expect My Mom posted:Its better than the current message, that kids failed and corrupted by the system can only find hope by metaphorically blowing their own brains out. Akechi didn't redeem himself or find hope by sacrificing his life. He momentarily stopped digging, but a moment where you aren't being evil doesn't suddenly make you good. He was a bad person with a stupid plan, and the only good interactions with him are when you dunk on him.
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Sep 12, 2019 16:45
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Arist posted:I'm absolutely banking on them letting you romance Sae and making her so much worse in the process, it's gonna fuckin rule 
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Sep 12, 2019 16:56
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Kaza42 posted:Akechi didn't redeem himself or find hope by sacrificing his life. He momentarily stopped digging, but a moment where you aren't being evil doesn't suddenly make you good. He was a bad person with a stupid plan, and the only good interactions with him are when you dunk on him. goro is walking, talking example of what the phantom thieves were made to stop, and him just killing himself and then never talking about him again is such a bad ending
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Sep 12, 2019 17:00
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Expect My Mom posted:this is just not true. the entire party says how they relate to and understand him. they want to help him. "dunking" on him is entirely optional dialogue choice, hell you can even flirt with him. Understanding someone and forgiving them are very different things. I may not remember every line they said about him, but I am pretty sure that while they were sympathetic to him they agreed he went too far and was a bad guy. Hell, he directly murdered a parent of two party members
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Sep 12, 2019 17:02
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Yeah you even have Makoto and Futaba say explicitly 'I feel bad for him, but I can't forgive him for what he did'
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Sep 12, 2019 17:04
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yeah, and those two party members are the people who understand him the most. Haru knows what it's like to have absolutely terribly family and Futaba is so painfully aware of what it's like to be desperately alone in the world. Hell, Goro was Futaba's current age when he killed Wakaba, so there's even a second layer of understanding. They don't forgive and entirely accept him, but they don't think he's terrible irredeemable scum because he was and is a literal child when this happened. I don't know how this gray area the party has doesn't extend to players.
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Sep 12, 2019 17:05
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Would you say that the other PTs are kids "failed by the system" who found a way out that didn't involve murdering people?
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Sep 12, 2019 17:22
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Oxxidation posted:by all appearances akechi's the one who's going to bail us out of the lotus-eater bullshit happening in the game's new act so i wouldn't hold my breath The lotus eater thing is centered on Akechi's redemption and in the end you have to kill your "friend" to end it in a hugely emotional scene that will be both terrible and funny as hell.
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Sep 12, 2019 17:27
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Expect My Mom posted:I don't know how this gray area the party has doesn't extend to players. (It's because the writing surrounding it isn't very good and so it feels unearned)
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Sep 12, 2019 17:59
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YaketySass posted:Would you say that the other PTs are kids "failed by the system" who found a way out that didn't involve murdering people? Goro and Shido are, perhaps very poorly done, commentary on the Japanese foster system and politics with regards to them so I feel there is also some context in understanding how Japan regards orphaned and unwanted children that would help make Goro seem more understandable Arist posted:(It's because the writing surrounding it isn't very good and so it feels unearned)
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Sep 12, 2019 18:20
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The writing surrounding Akechi is absurdly bad, P5R eill do nothing to fix it and instead will hammer on the poor soft baby uwu thing bc money.
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Sep 12, 2019 18:25
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Personally I'm hyped as hell knowing the justifications for Akechi joining the good guys while still looking like lanky Berserk Guts and screaming "LOKI!!!" like a psychopath to get the hold up and then smiling and walking along with the rest of the gang during the jazzy victory music will be complete poo poo. Ditto the fact that you're probably going to get to bang Sae, which is just so wrong on so many levels it loops back around to be hilarious. I am 100% on board for P5R
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Sep 12, 2019 18:51
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I hope that you can bang Sae immediately before the climactic choice sequence
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Sep 12, 2019 18:56
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i find it annoying when people complain about posts or opinions i would never encounter if not for people making GBS threads themselves about them here
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Sep 12, 2019 18:56
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Goros "true" outfit sucks so if he sticks with it that's my punishment for him actually joining the party His marching band theater troupe leader outfit is just so good
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Sep 12, 2019 18:59
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TheKingofSprings posted:I hope that you can bang Sae immediately before the climactic choice sequence Sae asks you to turn yourself in but then your phone buzzes, and she says okay fine tomorrow then. You open up all your texts... one of which is Sae, somehow. Expect My Mom posted:Goros "true" outfit sucks so if he sticks with it that's my punishment for him actually joining the party Yeah I actually legitimately like his "fake" outfit and how it both plays into a contrast of Joker's outfit and Akechi's warped view of what a "hero" would look like.
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Sep 12, 2019 19:02
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I feel like people treat An echo as being The Literal Worst Person Ever forget that JRPGs fuckin' love letting you recruit some awful rear end people because they had tragic history. Acting like P5 is doing something unheard of is pretty silly.
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Sep 12, 2019 19:21
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ImpAtom posted:I feel like people treat An echo as being The Literal Worst Person Ever forget that JRPGs fuckin' love letting you recruit some awful rear end people because they had tragic history. Acting like P5 is doing something unheard of is pretty silly. Based on Magus the obvious solution here is to let you either recruit Goro or expose him to a brutal death by frog, I believe this solution will make everyone happy
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Sep 12, 2019 19:28
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ImpAtom posted:I feel like people treat An echo as being The Literal Worst Person Ever forget that JRPGs fuckin' love letting you recruit some awful rear end people because they had tragic history. Acting like P5 is doing something unheard of is pretty silly. I recruited Magus because the timeline was at stake. I never stopped thinking he was a villain. Goro has basically no redeeming features, he didn't fall from grace so much as gleefully leap into the void and engage rocket boots to plummet further
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Sep 12, 2019 19:32
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As far as scum people japanese media has tried to redeem, Goro is a low scale in context
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Sep 12, 2019 19:38
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Mostly because of the scale of the game. Goro's only had the opportunity to kill less than a thousand people (less than a hundred if the train crash didn't result in any casualties somehow). If he had a Death Note or the ability to blow up planets, he probably would have a much higher death tole
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Sep 12, 2019 19:39
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Kaza42 posted:I recruited Magus because the timeline was at stake. I never stopped thinking he was a villain.
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Sep 12, 2019 19:48
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Kaza42 posted:I recruited Magus because the timeline was at stake. I never stopped thinking he was a villain. I'm just saying I played a JRPG featuring heroic Gilles de Rais, another where Jack the Ripper was a party member, and more than one where the literal final boss in one game becomes playable in the sequel.
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Sep 12, 2019 19:51
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To be fair the only heroic Gilles de Rais I can think of in a JRPG was, in universe, corrupted by an evil spirit or something and in the context of the game he's a nice and kind knight who only goes evil later.
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Sep 12, 2019 19:54
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Expect My Mom posted:This is such a bonkers way to talk about a fictional teenager why dude is awful and has literally no remorse outside of one wistful 'maybe I wouldn't have killed all those people if I had made some friends idk' before immediately trying to kill you again. He isn't even particularly powerful or noteworthy to justify bringing him along like most villains who join the team in JRPGs. He's a teenage mass murderer who is going to continue to murder with his superpowers. he needs to be stopped for the good of everyone. best scenario is incarceration and serious psychological counseling. letting him continue to wander about though with those same superpowers he has explicitly abused to murder a ton of people is like the absolute dumbest bullshit. it'd be like a damaged teen finding a gun and the response to learning he had a bad upbringing being 'oh, maybe he should keep the gun and keep hanging out with us!' after he kills a bunch of people. 'He may have murdered my mom because his lovely dad told him to and literally laughed about it to my face but he's cute so he should still hang out with us' Zore fucked around with this message at 20:02 on Sep 12, 2019 |
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Sep 12, 2019 19:58
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ImpAtom posted:I feel like people treat An echo as being The Literal Worst Person Ever forget that JRPGs fuckin' love letting you recruit some awful rear end people because they had tragic history. Acting like P5 is doing something unheard of is pretty silly. it's not that it's unheard of, it would just be dumb, and bad, and I'm sure everyone is expecting them to do it
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Sep 12, 2019 20:00
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Like if Akechi's redemption arc is him taking responsibility for his crimes and committing to getting help for his issues I would be 100% behind that as a story beat. If its just him getting off scott free so they can shove in more ambiguous shipper-baiting (while not even actually making him a romance option) its going to be insultingly terrible having bad things happen to you does not get you a magic free pass to do terrible things to others.
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Sep 12, 2019 20:05
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*wee-OH wee-Oh* ah poo poo, fanfic cops are here. Better flush that "<3 Char ~☆ war crimes r sexy ~☆" pencil case. I don't want to have to bail anyone out of pretend jail again.
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Sep 12, 2019 20:18
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What does "taking responsibility" look like for murders?
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YaketySass posted:What does "taking responsibility" look like for murders? admit what he did was bad for starters. give up his access to the metaverse so he can't use his murder weapon any more. seek atonement by revealing the major conspiracy he worked as a hitman for and trying to make amends Then go from there like maybe Akechi could work in a Big Brothers/Big Sisters program to help kids younger than him going through the same issues with the foster system in the future. Zore fucked around with this message at 20:25 on Sep 12, 2019 |
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