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Stanfield posted:My first thought for #9 was Kitty and Rachel because they are the best not-couple, but I might just be desperate for someone to remember that Kitty is queer.
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So I feel like we're getting a pretty good look at the general...idea...behind everything now. In the past, Xavier and Magneto have Sinister start to collect the genetic information of every single mutant. Ever. And in the farthest-flung future, technological advancement means being able to "assimilate" machine intelligence into the Phalanx, but it works only for machine intelligence and not for organic life. You can make a machine archive of yourself and then assimilate that so that there's technically a "you" in there, but so far it's still a hurdle that those blue people in the future are trying to find a workaround for. So presumably then, Xavier and Magneto (and Moira) are trying to find a way to assimilate mutantkind into Krakoa as the same sort of collective as the Phalanx, except on a biological level. Presumably? The have already succeeded. So, that's that. Honestly, the only thing I really want to be addressed at this point is the antagonistic segregationist master race nonsense that's going on with the mutants. Hickman seems bullishly determined to not give any airtime to any mutant that might possibly have anything to say against that, and at eight issues into the story I'm a little concerned that he never will. I'm sorry, but after all these years reading comics from high-falluting writers, the difference between "it will all be explained in time" and "I'm just not writing this thing too well" is something I've come to dread. Just so I'm not always bitching and moaning about this series though, here's stuff I really liked about this one! -Sinister obviously of course duh. -Hickman continues to be one of the very few writers that can make me care, not even a little, but a ton about the New Mutants lineup. Others have tried. And I've tried to try what those others have tried, believe me! But every time I've tried to read someone trying to recapture the magic of that generation or whatever it just reads like someone telling me "Try Takis! Takis are so great, you'll love them!" and then I try them for like the fifth time and it's exactly as sour and annoying as it was the first four times. With Hickman though, I try his New Mutants Takis, and they someone magically taste like fresh strawberries instead. It's great! -It continues to be cool how Hickman manages to "delegate" the usage of mutants and their abilities throughout this series. It's something that's been touched on a very little bit in the past but writers just don't seem to take it to its logical conclusion most of the time. Yes, of course you bring Cypher if you want to communicate with Krakoa. Of course you then delegate Sage, Trinary, Black Tom, and Beast to handle the technical operations of Krakoa. There are so many mutants -- so many X-Men characters -- that are able to do so many things, and the X-Men should absolutely be constantly drawing upon this vast resource for their needs, instead of facing seemingly artificial hindrances all the time because editorial grouped them all up in different books or what have you. Superpowers are incredibly useful and mutants have just about every single superpower under the sun. Embrace that! (Though it does continue to raise questions about this society that they're creating, like, a person's entire worth is going to start being...not exactly equated with what they can contribute to this society, but at least based around what they can contribute. It's particularly troubling when combined with them seemingly shedding their given names and thereby verbally formulating their entire identity, their entire self-image, around their powers, their contribution to the great cause. "Iceman." "Storm." "Forge." "Engineer." "Receptionist." "Wheels." It's a weird bit of, yes, transhumanist socialism. What if I was a mutant with telepathy, but I didn't want to go into Krakoan espionage or whatever, but instead wanted to go into agriculture? How does that factor into this brave new world?)
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Blockhouse posted:I still don't understand how you can insist this is life 6 when it's only happening because of stuff that happened in life 9 I think it's most likely that we're seeing X. But there's not a lot of evidence that this is directly after Moira's death in IX. We haven't seen her in the X^1 time period. The only hint you've got that this is X and the attack on the Mother Mold was because of IX intel was Xavier's comment that they "think" this is where Nimrod comes from. And if Moira has had that info since she was born... why the gently caress did they wait so long to attack the sun base? Why wait until it was almost operational? If Moira's goal is to make sure Nimrod doesn't come about and she knows when and where that happens, she's kind of sitting on her hands until the last minute, right? Basically: they haven't explicitly said this is X in story and there's just as much irregularities in logic for it to be as there is for it not to be.
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Sep 12, 2019 02:28
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Do we know anything about this Doug guy and why he infected Krakoa with something or other? Or what the infection does beyond maybe that one page describing a No-Place flower creating a Krakoan tumor?
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Sep 12, 2019 03:36
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Black Tom's mutant power allows him to generate energy blasts through wood. Possibly this includes other types of plant matter. Krakoa is all plant matter. Okay Hickman, that's a pretty elegant defensive plan. No poo poo you put Black Tom in charge of security!  Also means that you've got a better than 50% chance to recruit the Juggernaut which is generally pretty handy.
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Sep 12, 2019 03:49
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He’s Doug Ramsey of the New Mutants who merge or something with Warlock. Warlock uses the transmode virus to convert organic matter into techno-organic and then eats its energy. As for why? Well, that may remain to be seen.
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Sep 12, 2019 03:50
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Do I take it now that Moira’s plan for “breaking all the rules” is to unify absolutely everyone? Xavier, Magneto, Sinister, Krakoa, Apocalypse, the Phalanx, and beyond?
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Sep 12, 2019 04:31
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Stanfield posted:My first thought for #9 was Kitty and Rachel because they are the best not-couple, but I might just be desperate for someone to remember that Kitty is queer. When did that happen?
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Sep 12, 2019 05:54
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Billzasilver posted:One interesting out that Hickman built in is that Moira can choose to be passive and the whole world is unchanged. In life 4, crazy poo poo happened at least until the Phoenix Prive and AvX. Probably beyond that too. Given that in her first life the world still existed in what seems like a relatively copacetic state at the end and she didn't even know the major mutant personalities... We can conclude all of the worst-case evil scenarios are Moira's fault.
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Sep 12, 2019 06:43
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Neurosis posted:Given that in her first life the world still existed in what seems like a relatively copacetic state at the end and she didn't even know the major mutant personalities... We can conclude all of the worst-case evil scenarios are Moira's fault. "Everything bad is Moira's fault" does sound accurate to how things usually go.
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Sep 12, 2019 06:50
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CubanMissile posted:When did that happen? It was mostly Claremont-era subtext when they were in Excalibur. iirc, there's also one mini where Kitty winds up as president and Rachel is first lady. There's an episode of Jay and Miles where Claremont talks about it at length, too.
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Sep 12, 2019 07:09
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https://twitter.com/JHickman/status/1172003737289875456 https://twitter.com/kierongillen/status/1172065755321573376 Gillen and Hickman have been tweet-flirting about him writing Sinister again and idk if there's anything more to it but..... God I hope there is
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Sep 12, 2019 09:49
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The fact that the Sinister Secrets are written in the exact same style as gossip column were written is perfect
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Sep 12, 2019 11:41
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The Question IRL posted:The fact that the Sinister Secrets are written in the exact same style as gossip column were written is perfect It's so great, I loved it
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Sep 12, 2019 11:57
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I really do love the breaks in the Hickman books where he info dumps but Sinister Secrets from the Sinister Bar is by far the best he’s thrown at us.
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Sep 12, 2019 12:02
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This one was the first one where I really felt my X-Men knowledge was lacking and ended up being my least favourite because of it. I liked the idea of the Sinister Secrets but I couldn't play along.
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Sep 12, 2019 12:11
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Better that than me. I got every single one and I wondered what I have done with my life.
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Sep 12, 2019 12:23
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TomWaitsForNoMan posted:https://twitter.com/JHickman/status/1172003737289875456 Probably nothing. Gillen has been quite open in his newsletter than he's done with work-for-hire for the foreseeable future. (  Uber)
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Endless Mike posted:Probably nothing. Gillen has been quite open in his newsletter than he's done with work-for-hire for the foreseeable future. ( I totally get why he would be but, what a shame
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Endless Mike posted:He’s Doug Ramsey of the New Mutants who merge or something with Warlock. Warlock uses the transmode virus to convert organic matter into techno-organic and then eats its energy. As for why? Well, that may remain to be seen. The full synopsis for Cypher for those who don't know is that he and his friend Warlock, a friendly Technarchy drone or whatever with individuality, got combined with each other after they both died. The Phalanx resurrected both of them as a plot to infiltrate the X-Men but in typical fashion this got foiled. Some stuff happened during the Necrosha event too and they're now more or less Doug Ramsey and a carrier of the Transmode virus, that turns people not fully drained into Phalanx, that's in remission. He probably infected Krakoa to give it the ability to interface with technology, his virus is in remission/controlled, and to pave the way for the far future stuff. EDIT: Now that I think about it, the Transmode virus might also be how they collect and transfer people's memories after cloning because you don't get that from cloning and it would explain any shenanigans that may or may not happen with cloning in the miniseries. RocknRollaAyatollah fucked around with this message at 14:58 on Sep 12, 2019 |
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Sep 12, 2019 14:36
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Or Ramsey is working for Sinister and messing with Krakoa is some plot of his.
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Endless Mike posted:He’s Doug Ramsey of the New Mutants who merge or something with Warlock. Warlock uses the transmode virus to convert organic matter into techno-organic and then eats its energy. As for why? Well, that may remain to be seen. CubanMissile posted:When did that happen? Edit: CubanMissile posted:Or Ramsey is working for Sinister and messing with Krakoa is some plot of his. Fritzler fucked around with this message at 15:24 on Sep 12, 2019 |
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Sep 12, 2019 15:20
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More convinced that the Librarian is somehow Moira in Life 6. That’s why it wasn’t originally pictures in the chart, because when it’s revealed it’ll be wayyyyy off to the right of all the other timelines.
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Sep 12, 2019 15:21
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There was a recent Marvel Comics Presents issue with a (super messy) Claremont story where he actually puts the "Destiny and Mystique are Kurt's parents" idea down on paper, but it's only dubiously canon. Still, it finally made it to publication in some form or another.
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Cael posted:More convinced that the Librarian is somehow Moira in Life 6. That’s why it wasn’t originally pictures in the chart, because when it’s revealed it’ll be wayyyyy off to the right of all the other timelines. Yeah, I like this, too, but she's still born at the same time and therefore that would be on the timeline along with the other lives. I wouldn't call the presentation of X^3 as a "good" future but it's one where the mutants apparently win and that means- in some ways- our protagonists win, right? Absorbing into the Phalanx as an endgame is extremely disturbing and probably not Moira's ideal situation. So it may be the end of an earlier life. Xavier wearing a pith hat on his tour of Krakoa... Cassandra Nova wore a similar one.
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For whatever it's worth, this week's Invaders (#9) mentions mutants, and "the thing that's going on with Krakoa." Make of that what you will.
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My memory's so wretched that I don't even remember what happened last issue let alone be able to pick up all but the most obvious references to poo poo. If Hickman put together a super-annotated "spell everything out like you're talking to a child" panel by panel hardcover edition of Hoxpox, I'd buy it in a heartbeat. ANYWAY... Fabulous Sinister is my favourite thing. Can we put him in a room with Gabby, see what happens? Lord do I miss that entirely fictional girl.
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Is Gillen's Uncanny run worth a Marvel Unlimited read?
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Diet Poison posted:My memory's so wretched that I don't even remember what happened last issue let alone be able to pick up all but the most obvious references to poo poo. If Hickman put together a super-annotated "spell everything out like you're talking to a child" panel by panel hardcover edition of Hoxpox, I'd buy it in a heartbeat. ANYWAY... Scout will be in Hickman's ongoing!
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RocknRollaAyatollah posted:The full synopsis for Cypher for those who don't know is that he and his friend Warlock, a friendly Technarchy drone or whatever with individuality, got combined with each other after they both died. The Phalanx resurrected both of them as a plot to infiltrate the X-Men but in typical fashion this got foiled. Some stuff happened during the Necrosha event too and they're now more or less Doug Ramsey and a carrier of the Transmode virus, that turns people not fully drained into Phalanx, that's in remission. Cloning in Marvel comics gives you the same memories a good chunk of the time, including during the very first Spider-clone thing back in the 70s.
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danbanana posted:Is Gillen's Uncanny run worth a Marvel Unlimited read? Yeah, especially if you like Camp Sinister.
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danbanana posted:Is Gillen's Uncanny run worth a Marvel Unlimited read?
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danbanana posted:Is Gillen's Uncanny run worth a Marvel Unlimited read? Do what I did and get unlimited for one thing, then read literally everything else instead.
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So doesn't the whole thing with holding Genosha as a great example of human hatred for mutants not work? Cassandra Nova did it and her whole schtick is that she's a different third Homo species who thinks mutants are competition. In fact that was a cool thing Morrison played with during his run, that Homo Sapiens would diversify/evolve into more than just mutants. In his last arc there were Termite People in Africa and some weird guys in europe.
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Nova did it via a Trask (albeit a clueless one), so humans are at least complicit in giving her the tools to commit genocide. I think it's one of those things where most mutants aren't going to be intimately aware of the nature of extremely weird being Cassandra Nova, and are just gonna see a sentinel blowing up a mutant country.
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So something that occurred to me when reading the most recent Powers of X. Magneto and Professor X show up to Bar Sinister to speak with him. And that's supposed to be happening in the time line when Moria has told Charles and Magneto what is going to happen and to try and break the cycle of mutants getting killed by Genocide-bots. And years wise it is supposed to be in year 0 or year 1 of the X-Men. Basically when the X-Men were getting started. But Charles rolls up in a Hover wheel chair. I think Sinister even comments about it. Wasnt that Wheelchair a gift from the Shi'ar Empresses to her human boyfriend? How could Xavier have that bit of technology if he hasn't yet formed his X-Men or gone into space yet?
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Yeah, that read like an art error or just an oversight to me. Xavier only got the hover wheelchair around 1990, as Claremont's tenure on the book was ending. Although it wasn't a gift from Lilandra - while I think it did use some Shi'ar technology, Forge built it for Xavier after the Moir Island debacle. But again, if Xavier knows Forge, that implies a whole drama with Storm and Rogue that's presumably yet to happen, so... I guess you could argue that Moira knew about Charles' hover chair from him having used it in her previous lives, allowed him to pull knowledge of its design from her mind, and then they rocked up to Forge in his 80s role as government weapons tech, had him build it for Charles, then wiped his memory. That would be the No Prize answer, right?
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Android Blues posted:Yeah, that read like an art error or just an oversight to me. Xavier only got the hover wheelchair around 1990, as Claremont's tenure on the book was ending. Actually that raises an important point. They said that a number of geniuses mutants collaborated on a project to build computer Al-Gore-Rhythms to track for things that would be used to build Nimrods. Maybe Xaiver and Magneto approached Forge about helping to build that program and also asked him to build that wheel chair as a side project. Maybe when they went to visit Mr. Sinister, they had previously visited a number of other mutants years before they were supposed to officially meet them and put them to work on something else. BTW another thing I noticed that no one has mentioned. If you look at House of X #3 when the Blackbird is flying past the moon, I think you can see a city enclosed on the Moon. Maybe the reason no human nation has found Krakoa island is because it is not on Earth?
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The Question IRL posted:
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