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VikingofRock posted:Does the new rent control law carry over from tenant to tenant, or can your landlord do the thing where they annoy you until you want to move, and then jack up the rent for the next person? The name for that is vacancy control.
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Salmonella James posted:The name for that is vacancy control. Wait if that's vacancy control, then what do you call the practice of taxing unoccupied units to encourage renting them out?
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Tacier posted:This is the truth. It’s got an excellent and convenient airport as well. Unfortunately, as has been noted, it will be washed away when our deteriorating levees inevitably fail. I was on a Caltrain in the 2000s (south from Seattle, the Starlight Express) when there was a flood in the Sacramento area and the train kept inching farther and farther as the water rose up to the track level. Then they gave up, backed up, and waited for the water to go down. It was weird, seeing sheets of water in both directions. So the floods can get pretty bad even without the levee problems.
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ProperGanderPusher posted:Pretty much everywhere west of the Rockies is screwed in terms of future droughts. Bullshit. You live next to the ocean. Build a basic water boiling condensation collector and you're set for water on a personal use level. The problem is that we can't do that on a scale that will sustain all the trappings of modern civilization, like plumbing, and agriculture, and lawns. But you will never want for water on an individual level because we are just going to import it from other states. Moving east because of potential future water shortages is, pardon my harshness, a fuckin' stupid justification. Even if the state went full Mad Max post-apocalypse coasties would still have plenty of water.
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The state has plenty of water, it's the allocation that's all hosed up. The two largest pistachio and almond farms use more water than the entirety of all of LA and SF combined.
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Sep 14, 2019 21:05
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FCKGW posted:The state has plenty of water, it's the allocation that's all hosed up. How do we fix that short of flat out reneging on contracts that the state signed 150 years ago?
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Sep 14, 2019 21:21
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ProperGanderPusher posted:How do we fix that short of flat out reneging on contracts that the state signed 150 years ago? Socialism
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Sep 14, 2019 21:24
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ProperGanderPusher posted:How do we fix that short of flat out reneging on contracts that the state signed 150 years ago?
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Sep 14, 2019 21:30
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You break 150 year old contacts and rewrite water rights imo
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Sep 14, 2019 21:33
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ProperGanderPusher posted:How do we fix that short of flat out reneging on contracts that the state signed 150 years ago? We collectively say "gently caress em" and do it. Laws aren't real.
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Sep 14, 2019 21:38
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ProperGanderPusher posted:How do we fix that short of flat out reneging on contracts that the state signed 150 years ago? Not my problem, that's for my elected officials to figure out.
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Sep 14, 2019 21:39
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Just ban all nut production in the state of California. Whatever's left of the porn industry here probably won't be happy but them's the breaks.
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Sep 14, 2019 21:43
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Grand Prize Winner posted:Just ban all nut production in the state of California. Whatever's left of the porn industry here probably won't be happy but them's the breaks.
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Sep 14, 2019 21:45
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Grand Prize Winner posted:Just ban all nut production in the state of California. Whatever's left of the porn industry here probably won't be happy but them's the breaks. Same, but hay and alfalfa too. There’s literally no reason to grow it in California versus anywhere else, and they’re even bigger water hogs.
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ProperGanderPusher posted:How do we fix that short of flat out reneging on contracts that the state signed 150 years ago? "We don't allow the dead to rule the living. Contract expired decades ago."
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Sep 15, 2019 00:12
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ProperGanderPusher posted:How do we fix that short of flat out reneging on contracts that the state signed 150 years ago? *the sounds of screaming echo from a tribal reservation off in the distance*
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ProperGanderPusher posted:How do we fix that short of flat out reneging on contracts that the state signed 150 years ago? We are altering the deal, pray we don't alter it any further.
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Cicero posted:This used to be a real thing right? Lake Tulare used to be the largest lake west of the Mississippi before ag and water districts drained it entirely. Now, the largest lake in California is the Salton Sea 
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Sundae posted:*the sounds of screaming echo from a tribal reservation off in the distance*
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Best way would be to tax water on a sliding scale. The tax would be used to finish and operate desalination plans, after that big ag gets most of their water through desalination with a capital sweetener attached of lowering the tax after 20 years due to lowering strain on state resources by using a renewable source ala the ocean.
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Problem is there’s a little thing called courts that you can bring people or entities (including the state) to for breach of contract. Also, I’m sure the current Supreme Court would argue in a 5-4 decision that water rights can never be seized under any circumstances.
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ProperGanderPusher posted:Problem is there’s a little thing called courts that you can bring people or entities (including the state) to for breach of contract. "But what about my contract rights" the water baron screams as the blade of the guillotine falls. People are going to get hungry and thirsty and when that happens SCOTUS rulings aren't going to mean all that much. Besides, I'm not sure how they'd afford to bring anything to court because in a world where the public has seized control of the water I doubt the ill-gotten gains generated via control of said water by the billionaire class is just left alone.
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It wouldn't go to the national Supreme Court anyhow, as it's a California issue and California could rewrite the laws on water rights or if that wasn't enough amend the state constitution if it was at a point where people cared about water rights enough to do some conservation instead of growing some tree nuts and alfalfa.
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Bodhidharma posted:Lake Tulare used to be the largest lake west of the Mississippi before ag and water districts drained it entirely. i distinctly remember poking around this shop that specializes in old documents and pulling out a map of california and trying to figure out what was off about it before realizing that was depicting A GIGANTIC LAKE THAT DOESN'T EXIST ANYMORE. that's when i realized how hosed california's water politics are.
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Bodhidharma posted:Lake Tulare used to be the largest lake west of the Mississippi before ag and water districts drained it entirely. Wait, what? That's nonsense I'd've heard of thaaaa-  gently caress, it's literally visible from orbit.
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Sep 15, 2019 07:14
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wtf, it used to be the southern end of the pacific chinook salmon run. At some point in the past people made a choice between fresh caught salmon a couple hours away from LA or some almonds and they chose almonds. hosed up.
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Wasco used to be underwater? Maybe that explains why I get windshield bug splats like nowhere else in the state there.
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WAR CRIME GIGOLO posted:Best way would be to tax water on a sliding scale. The tax would be used to finish and operate desalination plans, after that big ag gets most of their water through desalination with a capital sweetener attached of lowering the tax after 20 years due to lowering strain on state resources by using a renewable source ala the ocean. Desalination takes a huge amount of electricity, and also requires dumping super-briney saltwater back into the ocean somewhere. It's not great. If the state wanted to revisit how water rights operate, it could. We have an overriding principle called eminent domain. The state would have to compensate water-rights holders for the value of what is taken, paid at fair market value, though. So it would cost taxpayers a pile of cash. We should do it anyway.
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Leperflesh posted:The state would have to compensate water-rights holders for the value of what is taken, paid at fair market value, though. So it would cost taxpayers a pile of cash. We should do it anyway.
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Couldn't we do something like requiring metering and add a use tax per ac-ft or something? Making it prohibitively expensive to waste water on alfalfa is just as good as taking the water rights away.
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fermun posted:wtf, it used to be the southern end of the pacific chinook salmon run. At some point in the past people made a choice between fresh caught salmon a couple hours away from LA or some almonds and they chose almonds. hosed up. Fish in those days was considered poor folks food while nuts were a delicious treat (“soup to nuts” meant “appetizer to dessert”).
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The Houthis just reduced global oil production 5% by attacking Saudi oil fields on foot with a few small drones but nope nothing can be done about century and a half old water contracts
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Where are you getting foot and small from?
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Leperflesh posted:Desalination takes a huge amount of electricity, and also requires dumping super-briney saltwater back into the ocean somewhere. It's not great. Desalination uses a ton of heat. Luckily, datacenters generate a ton of heat so we could use bitcoin miners and cat gifs to make drinking water if we really wanted to
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luminalflux posted:Desalination uses a ton of heat. Luckily, datacenters generate a ton of heat so we could use bitcoin miners and cat gifs to make drinking water if we really wanted to
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Infinite Karma posted:Until we generate more carbon-neutral electricity it's madness to desalinate seawater, it uses so so so much power. Too bad we're closing down our nuclear power plants
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ProperGanderPusher posted:How do we fix that short of flat out reneging on contracts that the state signed 150 years ago?
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luminalflux posted:we could use bitcoin miners to make drinking water if we really wanted to They would finally contribute something to society.
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Pump sea water into the Salton Sea, then erect a passive evaporative system. You can then pump the super salty brine water into the old Los Angeles depleted oil fields, like Montebello, that have a huge imbalance from years of production with injection. Should only take untold billions of dollars but it could solve several problems.
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fermun posted:wtf, it used to be the southern end of the pacific chinook salmon run. At some point in the past people made a choice between fresh caught salmon a couple hours away from LA or some almonds and they chose almonds. hosed up. Anadromous fish are pretty sensitive critters (thought of temperature, contamination, predation from invasives, barriers to passage and died) so even if Tulare Lake was still there, rest assured we would have hosed up some other major way
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