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There sure are a lot of "don't mock bad people by their appearances" posters who must have to avoid the UK political cartoons thread like a plague.
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Political cartooning is not exactly the most productive institution in the world. I'm pretty sure Azza has made more good political cartoons than the entirety of the UK professional industry.
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Sep 15, 2019 15:27
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I think mocking Jo Swinson's teeth when her voting record is right there is lazy, but I still think Boris Johnson looks like the antisemites in 16th century Prague made their own golem out of wax and activated it by drawing a knob on its forehead instead of a shem. That's just a general impression rather than any specific feature though.
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Sep 15, 2019 15:31
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i am harry posted:There sure are a lot of "don't mock bad people by their appearances" posters who must have to avoid the UK political cartoons thread like a plague. I avoid it because political cartoons are absolute poo poo yes, all of them
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Sep 15, 2019 15:31
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Brexit has scratched a Liberal and you'll never believe what happened next. https://twitter.com/TomKibasi/status/1173157909947133953?s=19
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Sep 15, 2019 15:33
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I generally trust the thread's conscience to go after people who present themselves weirdly and also have bad opinions, rather than making fun of people with disfigurements. Political discussion gets really loving dry if we aren't able to make fun of Charlie Kirk's weirdly small face, Sebastian Payne looking simultaneously 12 and 48, or even Theresa May's anal bead necklace.
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Sep 15, 2019 15:34
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Or how Tim Martin looks like Africans made a gollywog doll of the English.
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Sep 15, 2019 15:38
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el dingo posted:People hear I'm from new zealand and assume I got in easy, I always let them know nothing could be farther from the truth, and comparatively I probably did have an easier experience than many others. As I understand it the process of getting UK citizenship (i.e. permanent residence, then actual citizenship) is easiest, and cheapest, for EU citizens. Wouldn't be surprised if some EU treaty somewhere said "permanent residence (or equivalent) is allowed to cost a maximum of £70", which I think is the actual price for EU folks. Meanwhile a bunch of non-EU people in this thread have spoken of thousands of pounds for the same...
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Sep 15, 2019 15:39
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Sep 15, 2019 15:42
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jaete posted:As I understand it the process of getting UK citizenship (i.e. permanent residence, then actual citizenship) is easiest, and cheapest, for EU citizens. Wouldn't be surprised if some EU treaty somewhere said "permanent residence (or equivalent) is allowed to cost a maximum of £70", which I think is the actual price for EU folks. Meanwhile a bunch of non-EU people in this thread have spoken of thousands of pounds for the same... Yeah, an American friend of mine (married to a Brit and with 2 kids) was going through the process, one step behind the Tories, so that every time they got to a stage (leave to remain but we hate you, slightly firmer leave to remain....), the price had recently shot up. I think they were talking about 5 grand at one point. At the same time, I was paying the grand sum of 0 Euros for citizenship of an EU country that actually wants more citizens, and doesn't guard it like some kind of demented dragon. Didn't feel great 
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Sep 15, 2019 15:43
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winegums posted:I generally trust the thread's conscience to go after people who present themselves weirdly and also have bad opinions, rather than making fun of people with disfigurements. Political discussion gets really loving dry if we aren't able to make fun of Charlie Kirk's weirdly small face, Sebastian Payne looking simultaneously 12 and 48, or even Theresa May's anal bead necklace. 
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Sep 15, 2019 15:46
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Personally, I enjoy how Rory Stewart always seems to take 'right-leaning' way too literally as a concept, although if there's a medical condition making him do that, I do apologise.
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Bobstar posted:Yeah, an American friend of mine (married to a Brit and with 2 kids) was going through the process, one step behind the Tories, so that every time they got to a stage (leave to remain but we hate you, slightly firmer leave to remain....), the price had recently shot up. I think they were talking about 5 grand at one point. When my wife eventually gets actual citizenship (so FLR(M) twice then ILR then actual citizenship) it will have cost us 10k at least all told, and that's without kids. Foreign spouse or a house, pick one.
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I really don't get how 'body shaming culture is bad and we shouldn't contribute to it' is such a radical idea for this thread
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Sep 15, 2019 15:53
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apropos of nothing: it is weird how little the net migration target scrap and the reintroduction of the post study work visa seems to have mattered to the usual suspects brexit is now truly a culture war unmoored from immigration per se
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Sep 15, 2019 15:55
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Rarity posted:I really don't get how 'body shaming culture is bad and we shouldn't contribute to it' is such a radical idea for this thread As with a lot of things, it's actually okay because It's Us Doing It
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Sep 15, 2019 15:56
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Gonzo McFee posted:Brexit has scratched a Liberal and you'll never believe what happened next. I'm confused, who is this?
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Sep 15, 2019 15:56
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feedmegin posted:When my wife eventually gets actual citizenship (so FLR(M) twice then ILR then actual citizenship) it will have cost us 10k at least all told, and that's without kids. Foreign spouse or a house, pick one. That's obscene. Sorry dude. I just don't understand even what the veneer logic is supposed to be. UK citizenship is a massive prize only for the most deserving (i.e. richest) I guess. Plus an easy income flow from people with absolutely no political clout. A cynical take on my other country's liberalisation of citizenship law would be that they fear being replaced (although slightly less absurdly than the UK, since 1/3 of the population is non-citizens, and mostly white European) - but even then, the solution is: learn the language, no fees, a short residency period and you can be one too. Oh and here's a massive list of other routes to citizenship too.
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Refer to the history of the left. I wouldn't be surprised if Trotsky was actually killed because he had an argument with Joe about their favourite pirozhki fillings ^^^ Argentina is one of the easiest countries in the world to get citizenship in, also has a ridiculously low net immigration rate, and still the people there are super racist on average and blame immigrants for everything. I don't think hate of immigrants is based on any kind of fact anywhere Pochoclo fucked around with this message at 16:07 on Sep 15, 2019 |
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Sep 15, 2019 16:02
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I think there's a tension between the way we function as people (socialised, though possibly innately to a degree) where dislike of a person and their ideas and other things about them aren't hard separated, and the problems that occur when that lack of separation affects people that there's no moral justification for targeting. I'm not sure you can have an ideal political motivation that is very effective but also doesn't engage in spiteful ridicule, because we've a lot of reasons to feel spiteful and it's frankly a big emotional investment to dive right into the meat of the reasons why. Superficial mockery fills the need to not drown your mind in the misery of our situation. But all that said it's still entirely true that doing it hurts people you shouldn't want to hurt. I don't have a simple suggestion but the complaints about people engaging in it aren't wrong in their criticisms. Rarity's right, basically.
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jaete posted:As I understand it the process of getting UK citizenship (i.e. permanent residence, then actual citizenship) is easiest, and cheapest, for EU citizens. Wouldn't be surprised if some EU treaty somewhere said "permanent residence (or equivalent) is allowed to cost a maximum of £70", which I think is the actual price for EU folks. Meanwhile a bunch of non-EU people in this thread have spoken of thousands of pounds for the same... The permanent residence is literally entirely based in EU law, yes. But there's nothing preventing the UK from adopting the same procedure for people from outside the EU, rather than having he most expensive one around. In fact the UK has fought mightily to prevent the permanent residence from applying for partners of UK citizens (it does for EU citizens) as well. That's literally what Cameron's poxy "renegotiation" was about.
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deletebeepbeepbeep posted:I'm confused, who is this? It's guy verhofstadt, the eu's representative in the brexit negotiations. And yeah, I don't know how he ever loving thought this would scan when he wrote it.
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ThomasPaine posted:It's guy verhofstadt, the eu's representative in the brexit negotiations. Ah, I can see where you made the mistake. He's a liberal, he didn't think.
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ThomasPaine posted:It's guy verhofstadt, the eu's representative in the brexit negotiations. He's a liberal. Was liberal Dutch PM or major minister or something. e: beaten e2: or Belgian, gently caress
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Private Speech posted:He's a liberal. Was liberal a Dutch PM or major minister or something. Belgian technically, he's Flemish.
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Sep 15, 2019 16:10
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Rarity posted:I really don't get how 'body shaming culture is bad and we shouldn't contribute to it' is such a radical idea for this thread Sorry but I'm having real trouble not finding the idea of body shaming Boris Johnson on something awful ridiculous He is not a vulnerable or marginalised person
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Sep 15, 2019 16:13
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Hentai Jihadist posted:Sorry but I'm having real trouble not finding the idea of body shaming Boris Johnson on something awful ridiculous He is not, but other people who look like him might be. The problem with appearances is that they are transferrable.
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Sep 15, 2019 16:13
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Yeah no he's a fuckface pisshead domestic abuser. Won't shed a tear. Though I guess if I looked like him I'd be pretty upset, true.
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Sep 15, 2019 16:14
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How is 'I am contributing to a wider systemic problem that causes a lot of harm to people' so loving hard for people to wrap their heads around? 
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HJ and PS: I understand the sentiment but he is actually a person, and you live with, are surrounded by, and are also a person yourself.
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Sep 15, 2019 16:18
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jaete posted:As I understand it the process of getting UK citizenship (i.e. permanent residence, then actual citizenship) is easiest, and cheapest, for EU citizens. Wouldn't be surprised if some EU treaty somewhere said "permanent residence (or equivalent) is allowed to cost a maximum of £70", which I think is the actual price for EU folks. Meanwhile a bunch of non-EU people in this thread have spoken of thousands of pounds for the same... It's about 3k for EU citizens as well.
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u brexit ukip it posted:It's about 3k for EU citizens as well. Only if you want the citizenship, permanent residence has only administrative costs and there's a time limit for how long it can take to process as well, not to mention that the conditions are very generous compared to ILR.
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The guy in the petrol station who served me yesterday looked an awful lot like Boris and while I did remark upon it to my wife, I didn't feel the need to say how stupid he looked. There's so much properly vile stuff you can use against Boris, why would you focus on his appearance? So he wants to dissolve parliament to force through a no deal, but lol shut up about that and look at his stupid hair 
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Sep 15, 2019 16:26
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Swinson isn't bad looking by any means, especially by the metric of UK politicians.
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Sep 15, 2019 16:27
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Rarity posted:How is 'I am contributing to a wider systemic problem that causes a lot of harm to people' so loving hard for people to wrap their heads around? Simply because we don't agree in this instance, is all. I understand the concept I'm just not convinced that enough people are harmed by the skeleton part of me calling Blair a " Murderous Tory Skeleton" that its worth policing our language over. Especially in an informal comedy context. E like in the context of me posting that itt among others who know the reason I'm mad at Blair is not cause he's skeletal and thin
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Sep 15, 2019 16:28
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Prorogue my eyes please.
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Hentai Jihadist posted:Simply because we don't agree in this instance, is all. There's no such thing as 'just between us mates' though when it comes to insults. If that was the case then we'd be ok with calling Sajid Javid a P**i or Ruth Davison the f-word or Chuka Umunna the n-word because, hey they're not part of the in-crowd so it's fine, right? You wouldn't accept that when it comes to race or sexuality so why are you cool with it when it's about looks?
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Rarity posted:There's no such thing as 'just between us mates' though when it comes to insults. If that was the case then we'd be ok with calling Sajid Javid a P**i or Ruth Davison the f-word or Chuka Umunna the n-word because, hey they're not part of the in-crowd so it's fine, right? You wouldn't accept that when it comes to race or sexuality so why are you cool with it when it's about looks? Because they aren't equivalent. There is no historical oppression of ugly male politicians to give such insults a horrible context. If looking at parliament is any indicator ugly men actually are advantaged in becoming MPs. Now otoh there definitely IS for women, so I do get why they can be considered a special case. And also, if I call chuka the n word or throw around slur's you can assume that I'm basing part of my judgement on his race or orientation, which is political and an actual ideological evil. Its not the case if I call bojo an ugly tory wanker when a story surfaces about him being a tory wanker.
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Rarity posted:There's no such thing as 'just between us mates' though when it comes to insults. If that was the case then we'd be ok with calling Sajid Javid a P**i or Ruth Davison the f-word or Chuka Umunna the n-word because, hey they're not part of the in-crowd so it's fine, right? You wouldn't accept that when it comes to race or sexuality so why are you cool with it when it's about looks? In the same way, the people mocking Diane Abbott (and there are far too many) are doing so because they don't think people with those bodies should even be in Parliament, whereas (unfortunately) I don't think saying that Boris Johnson looks like a 5 year old made a model of white privilege out of Play-Doh is going to stop white Etonians running for office. Guavanaut fucked around with this message at 16:41 on Sep 15, 2019 |
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