UKMT September 2019 - A Fish-Abandoning Government

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baka kaba: Jul 19, 2003; PLEASE ASK ME, THE SELF-PROFESSED NO #1 PAUL CATTERMOLE FAN IN THE SOMETHING AWFUL S-CLUB 7 MEGATHREAD, TO NAME A SINGLE SONG BY HIS EXCELLENT NU-METAL SIDE PROJECT, SKUA, AND IF I CAN'T PLEASE TELL ME TO
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radmonger posted:

As I said, it is a random word generator implemented using a machine learning toolkit; that is what those words mean. There isn�t enough information in the image database to actually do the classification it is tasked to do, so the intelligence or otherwise of the algorithm is irrelevant; the output will be pseudo-random noise.

Weird how it's "randomly" recognising certain features and associating them with "random" words that happen to match problematic associations you see in society

It sure can't classify half the stuff it's trying to, but it's been trained pretty well to describe black people the same way Boris Johnson does

e- cat tax

# ? Sep 17, 2019 00:39

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# ? May 26, 2024 04:22

Pencils R Cool: Feb 16, 2011

Jealous Cow posted:

God drat it. Here�s mine

It's an honour to post in the same thread as you, Mr Yorke. Shame about The King of Limbs but I guess they can't all be winners.

# ? Sep 17, 2019 00:43

OwlFancier: Aug 22, 2013

I do enjoy that oftentime when racism comes up I learn a new racist word that I didn't know before.

# ? Sep 17, 2019 00:54

NotJustANumber99: Feb 15, 2012; somehow that last av was even worse than your posting

It is nice to be an up to date racist.

# ? Sep 17, 2019 00:58

Ursine Catastrophe: Nov 9, 2009; It's a lovely morning in the void and you are a horrible lady-in-waiting.

don't ask how i know; Dinosaur Gum

baka kaba posted:

Weird how it's "randomly" recognising certain features and associating them with "random" words that happen to match problematic associations you see in society

It sure can't classify half the stuff it's trying to, but it's been trained pretty well to describe black people the same way Boris Johnson does

reminder that the last time microsoft spun up an ai based on internet learning, they had to shut it off because it learned to be a chud

# ? Sep 17, 2019 01:16

Nephthys: Mar 27, 2010

NotJustANumber99 posted:

So Dave Cameron was on the telly tonight was he? My youtube suggests so. I think its great that hes finally coming out to try and help solve this mess given he retired for reasons I can't remember. And certainly not cravenly using the opportunity to maybe sell a few books or something.

Sweaty top lip.

I'm actually surprised at how unusually annoyed I was to see that he'd dared to show his face in public.

# ? Sep 17, 2019 01:17

NotJustANumber99: Feb 15, 2012; somehow that last av was even worse than your posting

Ursine Catastrophe posted:

reminder that the last time microsoft spun up an ai based on internet learning, they had to shut it off because it learned to be a chud

Then they got sued my taylors swift.

# ? Sep 17, 2019 01:18

Chuka Umana: Apr 30, 2019; by sebmojo

Pilchenstein posted:

I thought that was Johnny Mercer?

I stand corrected.

# ? Sep 17, 2019 02:15

Chuka Umana: Apr 30, 2019; by sebmojo

Basically I�ve been catching up on stuff I missed during my time addicted to drugs, and I�ve just started reading about Grenfell in detail. I knew about the cladding but holy poo poo how is the Kensington & Chelsea council not all in prison?

I�m kinda glad I was on drugs for all of 2017 cuz I don�t know how I would�ve made it sober.

# ? Sep 17, 2019 02:27

Skull Servant: Oct 25, 2009

Congrats on being sober!

# ? Sep 17, 2019 02:32

Dabir: Nov 10, 2012

I uploaded an image of myself, which I obviously won't be showing to you lot.

Only registered members can see post attachments!

# ? Sep 17, 2019 03:08

NotJustANumber99: Feb 15, 2012; somehow that last av was even worse than your posting

Its definitely starting to get better.

# ? Sep 17, 2019 03:31

Ms Adequate: Oct 30, 2011; Baby even when I'm dead and gone
You will always be my only one, my only one
When the night is calling
No matter who I become
You will always be my only one, my only one, my only one
When the night is calling

Dabir posted:

I uploaded an image of myself, which I obviously won't be showing to you lot.

Well it sounds like you could show it just fine because there'd be nothing to see :v:

Also lol hard at the papers tomorrow, the Daily Mail doesn't think anything at all happening, the Express is going how DARE some tiny shithole talk poo poo at us, and everyone is like "Wow Boris just got absolutely learnt lmao"

# ? Sep 17, 2019 03:33

Kill All Cops: Apr 11, 2007; Pacheco de Chocobo; Hell Gem

NotJustANumber99 posted:

Its definitely starting to get better.

First one with my eyes closed: Winker
2nd one: Myope
3rd one with glasses off: Face

# ? Sep 17, 2019 03:35

WAR CRIME GIGOLO: Oct 3, 2012; The Hague
tryna get me
for these glutes

Queen 2020.

# ? Sep 17, 2019 04:08

kingturnip: Apr 18, 2008

Chuka Umana posted:

Basically I�ve been catching up on stuff I missed during my time addicted to drugs, and I�ve just started reading about Grenfell in detail. I knew about the cladding but holy poo poo how is the Kensington & Chelsea council not all in prison?

# ? Sep 17, 2019 06:17

Kill All Cops: Apr 11, 2007; Pacheco de Chocobo; Hell Gem

My Twitter timeline full of jokes about Boris being too scared to attend the podium after weeks of calling Corbyn a chicken and comparing himself to the Hulk over the weekend, from people I don't even follow, is pretty great.

# ? Sep 17, 2019 07:35

Pesky Splinter: Feb 16, 2011; A worried pug.

Lady Galaga posted:

My Twitter timeline full of jokes about Boris being too scared to attend the podium after weeks of calling Corbyn a chicken and comparing himself to the Hulk over the weekend, from people I don't even follow, is pretty great.

I know the chicken thing was a piss poor distraction tactic which had clearly already been coordinated with CCHQ and some of the press - and not even a great attack line at Corbyn anyway - but :lol:

at Dom Cummies inability to even PR manage this poo poo correctly.

Didn't think it was possible to get any more ineffectual than May, but there we go :lol:

# ? Sep 17, 2019 07:51

coffeetable: Feb 5, 2006; TELL ME AGAIN HOW GREAT BRITAIN WOULD BE IF IT WAS RULED BY THE MERCILESS JACKBOOT OF PRINCE CHARLES

YES I DO TALK TO PLANTS ACTUALLY

baka kaba posted:

Weird how it's "randomly" recognising certain features and associating them with "random" words that happen to match problematic associations you see in society

It sure can't classify half the stuff it's trying to, but it's been trained pretty well to describe black people the same way Boris Johnson does

e- cat tax

love me some deepdream

# ? Sep 17, 2019 08:00

Pesmerga: Aug 1, 2005; So nice to eat you

coffeetable posted:

love me some deepdream

Yeah, think I�m gonna skip eating today.

# ? Sep 17, 2019 08:05

thorsilver: Feb 20, 2005; You have never
been at my show
You haven't seen before
how looks the trumpet

baka kaba posted:

Weird how it's "randomly" recognising certain features and associating them with "random" words that happen to match problematic associations you see in society

It sure can't classify half the stuff it's trying to, but it's been trained pretty well to describe black people the same way Boris Johnson does

That's because it was specifically set up to do that. It's in no way shape or form representative of actual machine-learning practice. KillHour explained it succinctly in the USPOL thread:

KillHour posted:

What's flawed is they used a database and algorithm (I think this is probably YOLO 9000) designed for object recognition (this is a hat, this is a ball, this is a person), and told it "Figure out what TYPE of people there are here." The database they used doesn't have nearly enough information to do something like that, and a picture is a particularly bad way of doing it. How do you know if someone is colorblind from a photo? I don't know, but we have 140 photos of people who are ostensibly colorblind. Throw it in there! (I looked this up here - http://image-net.org/explore).

Then, because the computer would have a REALLY low confidence in any answer it gives (which you can actually see on the banner of their page - see below), they disabled the confidence output so it looks like the computer is certain about its declarations.

(0.04 is 4% confidence, for example)

It's just total bunk garbage. Nobody would ever use this dataset for what it's being used for. I can create a computer program that randomly generates insulting captions on whatever picture you upload, too.

# ? Sep 17, 2019 08:06

TACD: Oct 27, 2000

OwlFancier posted:

I do enjoy that oftentime when racism comes up I learn a new racist word that I didn't know before.

My partner's Irish, and before lunch at work she once said something along the lines of "I could loving murder a sambo". This led to an awkward pause and a frank discussion about the surprising differences in meaning some words can have.

# ? Sep 17, 2019 08:18

Failed Imagineer: Sep 22, 2018

TACD posted:

My partner's Irish, and at work a while ago she said something along the lines of "I could loving murder a sambo". This led to an awkward pause and a frank discussion about the surprising differences in meaning some words can have.

I use this term frequently...

# ? Sep 17, 2019 08:19

Bobby Deluxe: May 9, 2004

Good morning, and here is another "probably parody but things are so stupid right now there remains a grain of doubt" link:

https://thedeeplefthome.wpcomstaging.com/2019/09/16/tories-to-revoke-1975-vote-to-stay-in-the-eu/

# ? Sep 17, 2019 08:27

justcola: May 22, 2004; La-Li-Lu-Le-Lo

Mine said I looked like a taxonomist, though the closest I've gotten to that is Pokemon. Though I've been looking through a list of Tory MPs to see if there's any rare or shiny ones I may have missed, though I think I only hear about them if in scandals. If you click through you can get full length portraits of them in glorious high definition, all wearing the same navy suit jacket with trousers pulled up to their nipples.

# ? Sep 17, 2019 08:32

Guavanaut: Nov 27, 2009; Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998; Toilet Rascal

justcola posted:

Mine said I looked like a taxonomist, though the closest I've gotten to that is Pokemon. Though I've been looking through a list of Tory MPs to see if there's any rare or shiny ones

# ? Sep 17, 2019 08:36

That Italian Guy: Jul 25, 2012; We need the equivalent of the shrimp = small pastry avatar, but for ambulances and their mysteries now.

OwlFancier posted:

Is that... three goku pants moon?

It is! From the glorious webcomic artist conspiracist goldmined thread.

# ? Sep 17, 2019 08:37

Pesky Splinter: Feb 16, 2011; A worried pug.

TACD posted:

My partner's Irish, and before lunch at work she once said something along the lines of "I could loving murder a sambo". This led to an awkward pause and a frank discussion about the surprising differences in meaning some words can have.

What does it mean in the context your partner intended it to mean? "Sandwich"?

I only know it in the context of the slur, and the...Tale of Little Black Sambo, which my dad would read to me as a kid...in the mid 90s. And it was his copy too, with the original illustrations.

Like this for those not in the know:

Yeah.

# ? Sep 17, 2019 08:45

Flayer: Sep 13, 2003; by Fluffdaddy; Buglord

Johnson getting clowned on by Luxembourg... I would kill for a new The Thick of It.

# ? Sep 17, 2019 09:01

CGI Stardust: Nov 7, 2010; Brexit is but a door,
election time is but a window.

I'll be back

radmonger posted:

As I said, it is a random word generator implemented using a machine learning toolkit; that is what those words mean. There isn�t enough information in the image database to actually do the classification it is tasked to do, so the intelligence or otherwise of the algorithm is irrelevant; the output will be pseudo-random noise.

Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from a rigged demo. This is kind of the opposite, where the demo is rigged to fail.

Maybe it�s a useful corrective to someone who genuinely thinks if a computer does a calculation, the result must be right?

Ah, with you now, misunderstood how you were using 'random', sorry. Yeah, it doesn't even consistently get skin colour right. And when it does it demonstrates the bias in the data set - BME people might get classified under their various ethnicities, but white people seem to be classified under 'person', not 'white person', even though 'white person' is in the category list; an accidental demonstration of whiteness-as-default (or "accidental", depending).

It has some value as a corrective, I think, for people looking to buy into ML-based tools without much knowledge of how they work and who trust The Algorithm as the word of god. It's helpful to have a visual demonstration of what happens with a bad data set, makes it more real. I guess it'd be possible to do something similar showing what happens when corrective real-world feedback isn't permitted, or when the data set and algorithm are hidden, and so on, as a demonstration of what to look out for.

# ? Sep 17, 2019 09:04

That Italian Guy: Jul 25, 2012; We need the equivalent of the shrimp = small pastry avatar, but for ambulances and their mysteries now.

Pesky Splinter posted:

Yeah.

Woah, I only knew sambo to mean "sandwich" too...IE:

# ? Sep 17, 2019 09:09

njsykora: Jan 23, 2012; Robots confuse squirrels.

I believe Sambo is also a Russian martial art. That's a word with a lot of different contexts.

# ? Sep 17, 2019 09:13

TACD: Oct 27, 2000

Pesky Splinter posted:

What does it mean in the context your partner intended it to mean? "Sandwich"?

Yea, apparently in Ireland (or at least around Cork?) it�s common slang for a sandwich.

Then again, I was telling this story to UK friends the other day and they�d never heard the racist meaning either, so I guess exposure to the word is a bit patchy in general. Or I just have an excellent and wide-ranging racist vocabulary :smug:

# ? Sep 17, 2019 09:14

Jippa: Feb 13, 2009

njsykora posted:

I believe Sambo is also a Russian martial art. That's a word with a lot of different contexts.

This is what I understand it as also.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sambo_(martial_art)

The word "SAMBO" is a portmanteau for samozashchita bez oruzhiya, which literally translates as "self-defence without weapons".

# ? Sep 17, 2019 09:15

goddamnedtwisto: Dec 31, 2004; If you ask me about the mole people in the London Underground, I WILL be forced to kill you; Fun Shoe

https://twitter.com/FugaziTruther/status/1173576532180295680

# ? Sep 17, 2019 09:17

Guavanaut: Nov 27, 2009; Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998; Toilet Rascal

It's also a slang form of Samuel, as in Sambo Freeman who successfully lobbied for his own freedom from slavery and that of three others in 1773.

Of course, there is nothing that racists won't try to ruin.

# ? Sep 17, 2019 09:17

His Divine Shadow: Aug 7, 2000; I'm not a fascist. I'm a priest. Fascists dress up in black and tell people what to do.

Sambo is the person you live with without being married to in swedish.

# ? Sep 17, 2019 09:17

mediadave: Sep 8, 2011

I suspect sambo is more of an Americanism? It's certainly very old fashioned racism.

# ? Sep 17, 2019 09:20

Loonytoad Quack: Aug 24, 2004; High on Shatner's Bassoon

Did anyone hear Robert Buckland on Today earlier? He was asked about whether Johnson is planning to prorogue Parliament a second time after it returns in October and he came out with this total non-answer:

Robert Buckland, attorney general posted:

Well, you know - it feels in politics, Harold Wilson said a week is a long time in politics, it seems like an hour is a long time in politics at the moment. For me to sit here and imagine what might happen at the end of October, I think, is idle. What I do know is, if we are able to, we will have a Queen�s speech in mid-October, there will be debate during that time, and a vote as well, perhaps a series of votes.

So that's a definite yes then.

On a similar subject, you can watch the Supreme Court hearing on the legality of the current proroguing here from 10:30:

https://www.supremecourt.uk/live/court-01.html

# ? Sep 17, 2019 09:37

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# ? May 26, 2024 04:22

Guavanaut: Nov 27, 2009; Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998; Toilet Rascal

The EU took all of our 60s racial slurs away and forced us to use metric ones.

coffeetable posted:

love me some deepdream

# ? Sep 17, 2019 09:38

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