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I am liking the black land in a midrange deck, probably Orzhov as every time I’ve tried building one it seems to run out of gas. The green might be good but it’s hard to say without the full spoiler.
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Sickening posted:Is it really that punishing? You have how many cards in your hand on average when you have enough mana to activate it? Seems like paying 3 or less life to draw a card isn't really that far out of line for decks that can run the land. Yeah it's certainly contextual. It's hard to evaluate because going up a card for no opportunity cost at all can be worth quite a bit, but on the other hand if I'm getting beat down by a million knight tribal and GB stompy decks every round it gets far less appealing
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Sep 17, 2019 17:07
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I propose a 7step evaluation process: pick order in pack one, meta-defining quality in Standard, potential playability in Modern, number of copies played in the appropriate deck in Historic, "spiciness" in Legacy, and odds on restriction in Vintage, and finally the Fun Factor in Commander and Commander-like formats. That'll really let us know whose the better evaluators
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Sep 17, 2019 17:13
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The green land is really good. Would green decks be better if everything over 5 mana cost 1 less? yes. You can also use it to cast two three drops. The blue land is also imo better than it looks. Scries have a lot of value late game. My guess is people are spoiled by how completely broken azcanta is.
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Sep 17, 2019 17:15
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sit on my Facebook posted:Yeah it's certainly contextual. It's hard to evaluate because going up a card for no opportunity cost at all can be worth quite a bit, but on the other hand if I'm getting beat down by a million knight tribal and GB stompy decks every round it gets far less appealing You can just not tap the land if that’s happening
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sit on my Facebook posted:Yeah it's certainly contextual. It's hard to evaluate because going up a card for no opportunity cost at all can be worth quite a bit, but on the other hand if I'm getting beat down by a million knight tribal and GB stompy decks every round it gets far less appealing If you are getting beat down by aggro and can't use the ability, there isn't any upside to it being another land. Wrong fault for the card.
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Sep 17, 2019 17:17
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Yeah, but what if I respond to your activation by casting Emergency Powers?
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Sep 17, 2019 17:19
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Garenbrig should've just been a green Cabal Stronghold, as-is, it's mostly worthless in a world of Nissa, Leyline and Leafkin.
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Sep 17, 2019 17:19
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Knights is going to be a t1 deck
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Sep 17, 2019 17:22
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sit on my Facebook posted:The black land is so punishing. It's bonkers if you're hellbent but it's a pretty steep cost after that. I think the green one is deceptively good just as an Ancient Tomb for fatties. I mean, in the right deck it's a zero mana ramp spell right? If you have cards in hand you're likely spending your mana on other things.
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Monoblack will be some business too. I think the castle is good, 2-3 of. Not for nothing even if you are out of gas and peel a land, that's not a dead card if you have the swampfall guy out. I've learned to respect the swampfall guy. E: Rakdoz Aggro-risticrats feels on the verge of breaking out in the new standard to me, as well. Owlbear Camus fucked around with this message at 17:33 on Sep 17, 2019 |
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Sep 17, 2019 17:29
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Tubgoat posted:Return to printing process and cardface used in 1997. gently caress yeah.
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Sep 17, 2019 17:39
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this or gtfo:  
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Sep 17, 2019 17:43
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LifeLynx posted:I haven't seen a second set so obviously telelgraphed before. If they didn't come out and say Return to Theros was the next set, I would've known just from how hard mono-color is pushed in this set. No rare duals, adamant, quad hybrid creatures, etc. I have a feeling the green Castle is way better than it looks just because Theros 2 cards are going to reward you for having six green mana to pay for a creature or creature ability. if they ever make a mechanic in theros 2 that's like do X for each G spent on this it's three mono color mana fixing
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Sep 17, 2019 17:46
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Owlbear Camus posted:this or gtfo: and I thought the creatures actually printed in Alpha were bad, jeez
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Sep 17, 2019 17:56
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Tibalt posted:I propose a 7step evaluation process: pick order in pack one, meta-defining quality in Standard, potential playability in Modern, number of copies played in the appropriate deck in Historic, "spiciness" in Legacy, and odds on restriction in Vintage, and finally the Fun Factor in Commander and Commander-like formats. I don't give a flying gently caress about historic and I think it's a weird bastard format made because wotc only just now that, hey, formats rotate, this might be bad for our digital product. Can I excuse myself from that category?
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Sep 17, 2019 17:57
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Elyv posted:and I thought the creatures actually printed in Alpha were bad, jeez I made the same mistake the first time I saw these: the playtest notation for the not-yet-serra angel's 3WW cost was 5WW, meant to be read as "five mana, two of which must be white."
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Orange Fluffy Sheep posted:I don't give a flying gently caress about historic and I think it's a weird bastard format made because wotc only just now that, hey, formats rotate, this might be bad for our digital product.
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Tibalt posted:No. Son of a bitch, guess I'm the 6/7 bastard now.
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Sep 17, 2019 18:03
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Owlbear Camus posted:Monoblack will be some business too. I think the castle is good, 2-3 of. Not for nothing even if you are out of gas and peel a land, that's not a dead card if you have the swampfall guy out. It's not typed as a swamp, for the record. Only the lower rarity land is.
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Sep 17, 2019 18:18
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imweasel09 posted:It's not typed as a swamp, for the record. Only the lower rarity land is. Oh, I meant if the castle grabs you a swamp. Sorry for the ambiguity. 
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Sep 17, 2019 18:19
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How is that land better than any Mana dork? Leafkin lets you ramp before turn 5, can block, can make 1 more Mana if the condition is met, has a useful creature type, Mana can be used for anything, multiple copies aren't useless... Also you're playing Nissa in this deck so you want the absolute minimum of lands that aren't forests. Also that land can't be used to cast Nissa.
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Sep 17, 2019 18:24
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Owlbear Camus posted:Oh, I meant if the castle grabs you a swamp. Sorry for the ambiguity. Tap 4 lands and pay a life to draw a swamp so you can pay a life and draw another card (hopefully a swamp) hell yeah I unironically love it.
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A Moose posted:How is that land better than any Mana dork? Leafkin lets you ramp before turn 5, can block, can make 1 more Mana if the condition is met, has a useful creature type, Mana can be used for anything, multiple copies aren't useless... Also you're playing Nissa in this deck so you want the absolute minimum of lands that aren't forests. Also that land can't be used to cast Nissa. Because it's a land and doesn't take up a card or a spell to do it. It can still tap for G like normal so it can still pay for Nissa, who costs 5 and this doesn't ramp you into her anyway. Nissa gets played in 3 colour decks she doesn't care of you're short a forest or two. Or, imagine this: play the land AND play mana dorks 
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Owlbear Camus posted:I made the same mistake the first time I saw these: the playtest notation for the not-yet-serra angel's 3WW cost was 5WW, meant to be read as "five mana, two of which must be white." oh whoops, in recompense I offer these spoilers  
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evilweasel posted:i know, but it's not a deck that's really jonesing for a handful of extra damage from attackers. you're activating this on turn four or later, at which point you probably don't have any attackers that can get through on the ground unless they're sacrificing themselves for the cavalade ping (in which case 1/1 or 2/1 is not a big difference in most cases) or it's the one mana nearly unblockable guy (in which case you're activating this on turn five or later for not a lot of effect since you probably only have one or two of those guys, and you've probably already lost) I think it's more useful than it looks in that deck. There'll be times where it lets you attack because blocks become bad, there'll be times where you don't get your other good payoff cards and this serves as some glue in the meantime. IDK if you can play the full 4, since curving out is important, but at least a couple seem very good. Owlbear Camus posted:E: Rakdoz Aggro-risticrats feels on the verge of breaking out in the new standard to me, as well. The cards seem quite good, the mana pretty bad. No Wave posted:The green land is really good. Would green decks be better if everything over 5 mana cost 1 less? yes. You can also use it to cast two three drops. If you're not monogreen and playing 1 mana accelerants or other green 1 drops, you probably can't afford to play this. And how much more often is it a discount than if it was a Forest for Nissa anyway?
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Lone Goat posted:Tap 4 lands and pay a life to draw a swamp so you can pay a life and draw another card (hopefully a swamp) hell yeah I unironically love it. Or it's removal with lifedrain. I mean you are hoping for a better peel but my point is the swampfall guy will be a nice role player in the shell. 
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aren't there no 1 mana dorks in standard after this rotation
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Elyv posted:oh whoops, in recompense I offer these spoilers Sad that there wasn't enough room on the type line for "Human Bear Knight."
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Sep 17, 2019 18:34
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There are Gilded Goose and Arboreal Grazer.
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You're forgetting Gilded Goose. Plus Arboreal Grazer, kind of.
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GoutPatrol posted:My playground is very split on these. Half of us (me included) think they look really cool. The other half want them banned. maybe stop polling middle schoolers on what's cool
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Sep 17, 2019 18:35
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People have some really high expectations for how much power they're supposed to jam into colored lands with a very easy ETB Untapped clause. 4 Mana: Draw a card is probably going to be eternal playable on a land that can just tap for B the rest of the time.
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Tom Clancy is Dead posted:If you're not monogreen and playing 1 mana accelerants or other green 1 drops, you probably can't afford to play this. And how much more often is it a discount than if it was a Forest for Nissa anyway? You can absolutely afford to play it in mono green. It's free mana. 1-of for sure, 2-of probably, dont have to do much more.
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Owlbear Camus posted:I made the same mistake the first time I saw these: the playtest notation for the not-yet-serra angel's 3WW cost was 5WW, meant to be read as "five mana, two of which must be white." That still means bears were a 2/2 for 2G, which is HILARIOUS. Imagine what we'd think of today's creatures if that was the standard template that went to print.
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Voyager I posted:People have some really high expectations for how much power they're supposed to jam into colored lands with a very easy ETB Untapped clause. yea by design they're only supposed to be relevant in a small % of games. that's seems fair considering how free the deckbuilding cost is in a mono-color deck. it's like flagstones of trokair or eiganjo castle
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Sep 17, 2019 18:39
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I'm wondering what the card with the fancy Seb art that was teased a while back will be.
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No Wave posted:"what if mono green doesnt have enough mana after casting nissa" is not a real concern. The "downside" for it not being a forest after playing Nissa is basically just that it now basically taps for two mana just like all your other stuff, too
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Arivia posted:maybe stop polling middle schoolers on what's cool Just lmao if your school still has a playground. 
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Orange Fluffy Sheep posted:I don't give a flying gently caress about historic and I think it's a weird bastard format made because wotc only just now that, hey, formats rotate, this might be bad for our digital product. I mean I don't give a gently caress about modern but here we are
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