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OxySnake posted:The Patriots have been to the last two superbowls and are going to now go for a 4th time the nfl as a whole seems like garbage right now. I'm not gonna lie, week 2 seriously shook my faith in this sport being worth my attention and time
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Jiminy Christmas! Shoes! posted:If you'd been in a coma for two years what would be the worst NFL news to wake up and find out about? The entire NFL has degraded faster than Tom Brady's bones only making a next championship that much more of a foregone conclusion
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Sep 17, 2019 19:51
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Jiminy Christmas! Shoes! posted:If you'd been in a coma for two years what would be the worst NFL news to wake up and find out about? Andrew Luck retired before Tom Brady
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Sep 17, 2019 19:52
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Play posted:a bunch of lovely teams are gonna accrue decent win totals this year because nearly the entire nfl is garbage But enough about the Patriots.
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Sep 17, 2019 19:54
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Darude - Adam Sandstorm posted:Andrew Luck retired before Tom Brady That probably wouldn't be too surprising considering the state of Andrew Luck two years ago.
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Sep 17, 2019 19:54
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The league has been in a really poo poo spot for a while with maybe 3 QB's coming up during the literal decades of performance of the early 2k's QB's. Now 1 retired and the other looks not far behind him. All the old men are hitting the wall except Brady with not even a handful of replacement talents ready. It's REALLY highlighting just what a hard position it is to play on top of the parity problem.
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Sep 17, 2019 19:55
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I doubt it’s Kansas City for Ramsey https://twitter.com/bynatetaylor/status/1174032925974659072?s=21
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Sep 17, 2019 19:56
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Ches Neckbeard posted:The league has been in a really poo poo spot for a while with maybe 3 QB's coming up during the literal decades of performance of the early 2k's QB's. Now 1 retired and the other looks not far behind him. All the old men are hitting the wall except Brady with not even a handful of replacement talents ready. It's REALLY highlighting just what a hard position it is to play on top of the parity problem. Offensive lineman are also garbage. I really think this may have something to do with the poor offensive starts teams have managed; only the teams with the best O lines and O line coaches have been doing okay. The rest of them seemingly can't hold up against pass rush to save their lives But yeah, this past year was really a golden age in terms of every team having a QB for themselves, with a mix of the old and the new guard. The old guy have already started dropping off though and there simply isn't enough talent to replace them adequately.
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Sep 17, 2019 19:59
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Play posted:Offensive lineman are also garbage. I really think this may have something to do with the poor offensive starts teams have managed; only the teams with the best O lines and O line coaches have been doing okay. The rest of them seemingly can't hold up against pass rush to save their lives And the only solution to offensive line play is that position group someone being required to have more practice time which just aint happening. Which just leads to the league to handicapping defenses somehow. God that's going to end up being what the league tries to.
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Sep 17, 2019 20:06
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The main problem is that there are nowhere near enough tackles that can play at an NFL level and that the coaching is loving bad. The QB's are mostly fine, it's just that for every Patrick Mahomes falling into Andy Reid's loving embrace, there's a Mariota who was broken by a football troglodyte. Seriously, go look at Jared Goff under Jeff Fisher compared to last year, or Dak Prescott now compared to what the Cowboys have done for... the past 15 years offensively. The QB's are fine, the league just needs coaching worth a poo poo.
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Sep 17, 2019 20:07
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Kalli posted:The main problem is that there are nowhere near enough tackles that can play at an NFL level and that the coaching is loving bad. OK, I'll do that. https://mobile.twitter.com/SethGalina/status/1173718035682738176
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Sep 17, 2019 20:11
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Kalli posted:The main problem is that there are nowhere near enough tackles that can play at an NFL level and that the coaching is loving bad. Yeah, coaching trees have died off more or less. Everyone off the Parcells tree has failed to make any successors. Everyone is either old as gently caress, a college coach, or somebody's son.
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Sep 17, 2019 20:16
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SKULL.GIF posted:OK, I'll do that. It's funny that no one else other then Belichick has countered this by shifting defenses past 15 seconds
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Sep 17, 2019 20:18
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DariusLikewise posted:It's funny that no one else other then Belichick has countered this by shifting defenses past 15 seconds I've always thought defenses are way too static in that way. Like, if you run up to blitz but the quarterback doesn't snap it and clearly adjust the protections, why not refrain from blitzing that down to confuse them further? Why isn't the defense responding more actively to what they see from the offense? They're only allowed to do what the called play tells them to do which is a bit limiting imo Also, if I was a quarterback I'd do the exact same thing. Let some guy sitting up in the booth who can see everything check it out and decide the best play to run. The less things I have to think about the better
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Sep 17, 2019 20:21
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The patriots have been doing that for years.
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Sep 17, 2019 20:27
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So Goff is... running plays called by a coach? What’s the issue here
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Sep 17, 2019 20:29
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no issue i suppose, that's how Troy Aikman played QB, do what you can
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Sep 17, 2019 20:32
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AndrewP posted:So Goff is... running plays called by a coach? What’s the issue here And making line and play adjustments called in by a coach. He’s a meatspace Madden character. I’m not offended by it so much as how nobody else is recognizing and capitalizing on it.
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Sep 17, 2019 20:32
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AndrewP posted:So Goff is... running plays called by a coach? What’s the issue here Most people expect it to go like this: play caller gives the QB the play QB gives the play to the team and the huddle breaks QB gets to the line of scrimmage and reads the defense and makes the necessary adjustments That tweet is claiming that Goff isn't doing that final step and instead just relies on McVay to do it for him
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Sep 17, 2019 20:34
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I'm just saying, if you think Goff is just a guy, then you should be even madder at coaching for not getting production like he had last year out of all the QB's just like him. https://twitter.com/FO_ASchatz/status/1174036540932198400
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Sep 17, 2019 20:35
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College football is to blame for the OL issue. They do little if nothing to develop the skills needed to translate to the NFL. Now it takes like 3-4 years to develop an average starter on the OL.
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Sep 17, 2019 20:38
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wandler20 posted:College football is to blame for the OL issue. They do little if nothing to develop the skills needed to translate to the NFL. Now it takes like 3-4 years to develop an average starter on the OL. And by that point, after probably 4 years in college, large numbers of them are already physically busted
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Sep 17, 2019 20:40
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Sep 17, 2019 20:42
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The oline problem in the NFL is why guys like Scarnecchia and Munchak pretty much get paid whatever the want
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Sep 17, 2019 20:45
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Ehud posted:Most people expect it to go like this: I've seen him do checks well after the 15 second time limit, not that I think he's the sharpest tool in the shed but if you get to the line fast there's absolutely no reason to not have it handled by someone else, given how many things a quarterback needs to be thinking about before the play For some reason I always feel compelled to defend Jared Goff. I think I need to talk to my therapist about that
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GD_American posted:He’s a meatspace Madden character. I initially read that as “meatspin Madden character” and started wondering what I’ve missed by not buying it the last few years...
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wandler20 posted:College football is to blame for the OL issue. They do little if nothing to develop the skills needed to translate to the NFL. Now it takes like 3-4 years to develop an average starter on the OL. This line of thought is how you get some galaxy brain ideas from Tom Cable where we should convert college defensive linemen into offensive linemen.
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Sep 17, 2019 20:47
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All the issues with team quality and offensive production is due to all these players kneeling for the anthem because they hate America. Vince McMahon will Make Football Great Again.
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Play posted:I've seen him do checks well after the 15 second time limit, not that I think he's the sharpest tool in the shed but if you get to the line fast there's absolutely no reason to not have it handled by someone else lmao what
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I wonder if sometimes teams should just stick with a coach who is struggling. Maybe it takes 2-3 years to learn how to become a head coach.
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Sep 17, 2019 20:54
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Sour Diesel posted:lmao what ? what are you confuse about
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Sep 17, 2019 20:58
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The young QB are functionally stupid compared to the guys coming in a few years ago. Part of the problem is college coaches are dont teach them poo poo, and then you got troglodyte idiots in the NFL like brian schottenheimer and jeff fisher who don't teach them either. Calling plays and audibles at the line is a semi lost art as a result.
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DVOA is updated, and it's pretty great: https://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/teameff/2019 Top 5 offenses: Cowboys, Chiefs, Ravens, Patriots, Washington Top 5 defenses: Patriots, 49ers, Packers, Buccaneers, Rams Packers have by far the worst offense of the top 10 teams, and they most closely resemble the Bears.
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Kalli posted:Packers have by far the worst offense of the top 10 teams, and they most closely resemble the Bears. How much of that is because they played the Bears and the Vikings defenses their first two weeks? Does DVOA take quality of opponent in account?
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SKULL.GIF posted:How much of that is because they played the Bears and the Vikings defenses their first two weeks? Does DVOA take quality of opponent in account? Not until *after* week 4 AndrewP fucked around with this message at 21:13 on Sep 17, 2019 |
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Rams being the 9th offense and 5th defense in DVOA is not what I expect but it's acceptable
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Classic Ravens, relying on Justin Tucker and a top 5... offense??? I am enjoying this strange new world
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weird that there are people who think eli won't get into the Hall
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SKULL.GIF posted:How much of that is because they played the Bears and the Vikings defenses their first two weeks? Does DVOA take quality of opponent in account? Yeah, over time it'll even itself out, opponent quality starts being factored in in week 4, but isn't up to full strength until like week 10. Also lol at Case Keenum's statline through two games. Man, the Vikings should try to get a guy like that.
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Kalli posted:DVOA is updated, and it's pretty great: https://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/teameff/2019 Todd Bowles is a wizard.
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