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Magneto says "soul" but elsewhere it's referred to as stored mental data. I feel like Magneto's being poetic or, maybe, experiencing a bit of wishful thinking. Agreed that consulting with Magik or Pixie or similar mystic mutants would probably be a good idea. Souls are actually real in X-Men canon, and stuff like the Phoenix Jean clone having a "shared soul" is even canonical, so you could work within those bounds.
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EGGBOI Also jeez give them some pants or something before having them meet the public. Synthbuttrange fucked around with this message at 14:38 on Sep 18, 2019 |
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Sep 18, 2019 14:32
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Perhaps red circles are issues with a scene that was previewed in a previous issue? The bench scene was in PoX 1 and the pods scene was in HoX 1
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Sep 18, 2019 14:43
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So why can't Sinister just clone the bodies on his own?
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Sep 18, 2019 14:49
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Barry Convex posted:So why can't Sinister just clone the bodies on his own? Charles wants a process that is fast and is guaranteed to produce accurate replicas 
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I definitely don't feel like the xmen are good guys at this point. This whole thing gives off a bad guy vibe and apocalypse saying "hey this was my idea and you guys made it happen" certainly doesn't help. Still, props for Random showing up out of nowhere.
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Mimic isn't a mutant, is he? He's an altered human by his dad.
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Sep 18, 2019 15:06
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No way any of this will end up badly, no way at all.... There was a fine point put on no experimenting/experience on what would happen if the wrong 'soul' was put into the wrong husk. I can't help but feel that is going to be a thing later on. The X-men are def. a cult now.
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Didn't Emplate imprison and hideously torture Monet for years? This is part of what makes me iffy about Hickman's detached style of story-telling-- you'd think that, even if this wasn't dealt with right away, there'd be some kind of glad-- an ominous close-up, a reaction shot of her face or something. Instead he's just sketched into the background with all the other bad-guys and I'm going to be genuinely surprised if there's any acknowledgement at all that one of the most prominent characters of the run so far is being asked to coexist peacefully with her abuser, any sort of scene between them or scene where she talks about it, or anything. I'm willing to be surprised! I was surprised by the scene between Nightcrawler and Logan a few weeks ago, pleasantly so! But I'm still going to be surprised.
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I just realised... does all of this mean that Old Cable can come back? EDIT: Oh poo poo, and T/O virus free?!
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Sep 18, 2019 16:00
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the general lack of reaction to all the red flags is kind of making me.... bored. maybe it'll pay off by the end, but this whole thing feels like a self-indulgent exercise to explain the new status quo that lacks the character relationships that actually make the x-men interesting
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Archyduchess posted:Didn't Emplate imprison and hideously torture Monet for years? This is part of what makes me iffy about Hickman's detached style of story-telling-- you'd think that, even if this wasn't dealt with right away, there'd be some kind of glad-- an ominous close-up, a reaction shot of her face or something. Instead he's just sketched into the background with all the other bad-guys and I'm going to be genuinely surprised if there's any acknowledgement at all that one of the most prominent characters of the run so far is being asked to coexist peacefully with her abuser, any sort of scene between them or scene where she talks about it, or anything. Likewise, it's weird to see Storm being so cult-y when a major part of her character arc was accepting that she wasn't a religious figure and needed to treat herself as a human being first. I feel like in general people have no idea how to write Storm. She's super boring here, and is filling her normal post 2000s-role of being a bland booster for whatever the X-Men are currently up to.
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Avicus posted:I just realised... does all of this mean that Old Cable can come back? Xavier's been making mental backups of every mutant for the entirety of X-Men canon in this iteration of the universe, so yeah, literally any mutant who's ever died in that timeframe could be brought back. The ambitious plan to "resurrect" all of Genosha's dead is what's really interesting, I think.
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Android Blues posted:The ambitious plan to "resurrect" all of Genosha's dead is what's really interesting, I think. you think they'd want to get on that before all their greatest enemies, but hey
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I hope they bring back Thunderbird and then he dies every time he goes on a mission.
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I really enjoy.. I dunno, the consistency? of Wakanda having their own singular reasons for rejecting Krakoa's super-pharmaceuticals, and that reason being "No, thanks, we already have our own."
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Cabbit posted:I really enjoy.. I dunno, the consistency? of Wakanda having their own singular reasons for rejecting Krakoa's super-pharmaceuticals, and that reason being "No, thanks, we already have our own." I wonder how storm and black panthers relationship will be as they are now enemies
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Transistor Rhythm posted:the Uncanny Eggsmen Wow. Yeah, so this isn't my favorite. The cult thing is getting a little bit much, especially in comparison to other cult-ish groups we've seen in the X^2 and X^3 timelines. It's definitely hurting some characters (Storm, in particular). The big reveal was fun and I like how Hickman is playing with all the characters but there was a LOT of exposition and volunteering information that I don't know if we needed at this point. This whole story has obviously been a setup for a new status quo- and I have no problem with that- but this issue felt like he just put his pitch for this part into the comic. I do like the last few pages and agree that the Wakanda thing will be important later. Also: we still haven't seen Moira in this time period...
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There's still a big leap from this point to the various Dawn of X titles*, so I'm fascinated by/terrified of what's to come in the final 3 issues.  I love The Five though. That's ingenious. EDIT: *Fallen Angels makes sense if they're rejecting clones, which was a big part of X-23's latest run. Metalshark fucked around with this message at 18:12 on Sep 18, 2019 |
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Sep 18, 2019 18:09
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So... If this is the 10th life of Moira and Proteus is only mentioned in the 10th timeline... Did Moira have Proteus just for this? Also, if this is all part of Moira's big plan, then in her previous lives she knew about Goldball's retconned powers.
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Did proteus ever come back before this? I thought he was killed during his uncanny arc in the 70s
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It's cool we got the premise of the upcoming X-Force comic.
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Android Blues posted:Likewise, it's weird to see Storm being so cult-y when a major part of her character arc was accepting that she wasn't a religious figure and needed to treat herself as a human being first.
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Endless Mike posted:It's cool we got the premise of the upcoming X-Force comic. Oh duh, I forgot to mention this. Xavier's big plan that involves Emma could be the Hellfire Trading Club too, and we had the infographic about countries refusing trade deals and being assumed hostile. FilthyImp posted:I'm wondering if Xavier's talk with Emma Frost about the cost of influencing minds and how the subtle push leaves something behind can explain the weird culty poo poo Something is definitely up, because Jean in space was definitely not firing on all cylinders. Metalshark fucked around with this message at 19:03 on Sep 18, 2019 |
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Metalshark posted:Oh duh, I forgot to mention this. Xavier's big plan that involves Emma could be the Hellfire Trading Club too, and we had the infographic about countries refusing trade deals and being assumed hostile. With the Marauders group acting as a police force against unauthorized trade of Krakoan products? It's already been 20 years since we had a major relaunch of a beloved 70s/80s property revolving around trade organizations! Nostalgia really is king these days!
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Great loving issue. Now they just need to explain what happens with adamantium skeletons and robot arms, etc. I suppose if this change is permanent, Hickman is establishing a new status quo where mutants finally stop fighting other mutants. Archyduchess posted:Didn't Emplate imprison and hideously torture Monet for years? This is part of what makes me iffy about Hickman's detached style of story-telling-- you'd think that, even if this wasn't dealt with right away, there'd be some kind of glad-- an ominous close-up, a reaction shot of her face or something. Instead he's just sketched into the background with all the other bad-guys and I'm going to be genuinely surprised if there's any acknowledgement at all that one of the most prominent characters of the run so far is being asked to coexist peacefully with her abuser, any sort of scene between them or scene where she talks about it, or anything. Is that any worse than Sinister or Sabertooth? Or some not-yet-seen villains like Dark Beast and Sugar Man?
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Proteus can alter reality, so you don't need much of an explanation for adamantium and stuff.
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Codependent Poster posted:Proteus can alter reality, so you don't need much of an explanation for adamantium and stuff. This is true, but per the steps outlined, Proteus goes 2nd in the process and only makes the egg viable. Elixer and Eva "grow" the egg. Unless he's going back after and putting the Adamantium in... At which point, seriously: give everyone knife hands! Franklin was mentioned a couple time in HoX and has similar reality-distorting/controlling powers to Proteus so I'm curious if that's setting up something as well. Also, Hickman loves him.
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Also, does egg boy qualify as an Omega Level Egg Mutant now?
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Billzasilver posted:Also, does egg boy qualify as an Omega Level Egg Mutant now? He creates non-viable eggs. Your average chicken is better at him than that so no, not according to the new definition.
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The mysterious thing is like, what are they eggs of? I assume they're not giant human ova. (Goldballs' body is a portal to the Egg Dimension and when he uses his powers he shoots out pure platonic form of Egg.)
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This issue...feels...not real...? I don't know how else to react. I'm hoping the books after all this egg business will help me out.
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Billzasilver posted:Also, does egg boy qualify as an Omega Level Egg Mutant now? Omegga Level, perhaps. I'm interested in how the status quo will look once the various team books start running. I assume this alliance with all the bad mutants won't work out in the long run if this is even the timeline/reality that will be covered in the other books.
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MoaM posted:This issue...feels...not real...? And it's doubly in this weird bardo state of dream/myth because Mags is explaining the process to Lorna, so there's a chain of story being invoked there.
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I like that Hope has something to do. I have a soft spot for Hope. Put me down in the 'okay this is getting to be a bit much' category, though. Cult vibes all over and it reads more like a big-idea Earth X sorta story than one actually establishing a new status quo -- but we haven't seen how it ends yet, so hard to pass judgement on the whole.
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Who's the blonde lady standing next to Sinister when they show up? It kinda looks like how Magik has dressed recently, but I don't really associate her with Sinister.
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Skwirl posted:Who's the blonde lady standing next to Sinister when they show up? It kinda looks like how Magik has dressed recently, but I don't really associate her with Sinister. Lady Mastermind in her Chris Bachalo outfit.
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Skwirl posted:Who's the blonde lady standing next to Sinister when they show up? It kinda looks like how Magik has dressed recently, but I don't really associate her with Sinister. I think that's Lady Mastermind.
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Kingtheninja posted:Did proteus ever come back before this? I thought he was killed during his uncanny arc in the 70s He came back in the same Astonishing arc that brought Charles back.
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Billzasilver posted:Is that any worse than Sinister or Sabertooth? Or some not-yet-seen villains like Dark Beast and Sugar Man? It struck me as more "off" because Hickman is at least dealing with some of the dissonance of those characters being on the "same side" as the X-Men now. I think the Apocalypse stuff actually sells this idea pretty well-- he looks terrifying, huge and powerful and not at all humbled, in the last pages of this issue, and so his full-throated endorsement of Krakoa comes across as troubling and significant. Sinister's another good example. When Xavier and Magneto go to meet with him, he's not just acting evil, he's also acting erratic and unreliable. The narrative is sending us all sorts of fairly well-executed red flags to indicate something's not right. At the same time, we get enough of a peek at Xavier's motivations, as well as Magneto's, to make some reasonable working assumptions about what's driving them to make these ideological compromises. Whereas Emplate-- who I just chose as an example out of the whole scrum of bad-guys who showed up-- is just standing there, he doesn't talk, he isn't indicated by name. This in the same issue that Monet gets a whole page to herself, proving ("proving") that she's really "herself" (to whatever degree mind control or whatever may or may not be going on). You'd think she'd have some reaction to seeing her monstrous brother roll into town, much like we got to see certain characters react, or were at least given, as readers, clearer cues on how they might react, to Sinister and Apocalypse and Sabretooth.
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