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CoolCab posted:you are, again, speaking to someone who does that. same reason i'll probably never let go of that dude who thought loving latin club was a good play in UKMT - i am capable of expressing myself without it. when i am dissatisfied i have an entire informed lexicon to do so - but when i speak to those who lack that lexicon i grant leniency to how they express their entirely justified frustration. i educate, i don't police. Is that second paragraph for real. You're over thinking it - you went for a cheap shot, but happened to get called out for it. Everyone does it. Apologise and move the gently caress on. It's really not that deep.
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To be fair it should be mock not unless ye be mocked. I'd be happy to take abuse over my looks if it meant I could mock the Frankenstein's monster wax works that make up most of our political class.
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Azza Bamboo posted:So this is the same people who made the famous "computer user Liz Kendall" campaign video? Yes, It's a big ol'thread and smells highly of blairites
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fightwithcrayons posted:Is that second paragraph for real. You're over thinking it - you went for a cheap shot, but happened to get called out for it. Everyone does it. Apologise and move the gently caress on. It's really not that deep. sorry, which cheap shot?
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CoolCab posted:your good intention would disarm every propaganda, would immediately alienate anyone who lacks the class consciousness and sophistication to articulate their dissatisfaction. you have already attempted to do so, even if it wasn't your intention. the way you are applying it - like a purity test - is more harmful than that good intention. i'm sorry, i really tried to frame this in a less confrontational, but here we are. Totally disagree with this. You don't need a master's degree to call Sajid Javid a oval office.
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Lt. Danger posted:I agree; working-class people ARE stupid and hateful. More importantly ugly!
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CoolCab posted:you are, again, speaking to someone who does that. same reason i'll probably never let go of that dude who thought loving latin club was a good play in UKMT - i am capable of expressing myself without it. when i am dissatisfied i have an entire informed lexicon to do so - but when i speak to those who lack that lexicon i grant leniency to how they express their entirely justified frustration. i educate, i don't police. Rarity et al: Hey this particular thing is problematic and here's why, maybe instead of that do this other thing instead! You: Ugh why are you trying to police why can't you just educate? And nobody is talking about taking some kind of stern measures here, Rarity is not sending people to the gulags that I am running for people who say something about Michael Gove's appearance. And and, I don't think there's THAT much propaganda out there which has been nothing except "Look at how ugly this rear end in a top hat is" and most of that which is in that vein is pure confederate or nazi stuff making everyone else looking subhuman.
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Guess Coolcab never watched "Yes, Prime Minister", which I was lifting the Latin from.
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call a tory an unapologetic wealth extractor and robber baron will just elicit a shrug because those things are both true and desirable to them. this government has taken everything they can from the poorest of our society, and they would instantly go as far as prying the last dregs from their cold dead hands without batting an eye if they think they could get away with it. When you feel so powerless against the endless boot grinding down on you, you want your words to sting or hurt because why shouldn't they? what else do you have against them? any tool you can use to get a cathartic kick back at them, anything to make them feel a shred of self-doubt or dent their self importance should be seized upon and judiciously against them imo e: I should clarify this is following on from the 'horse in a oval office suit' stuff, not escalating to racially charged stuff or what have you kecske fucked around with this message at 21:51 on Sep 19, 2019 |
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kecske posted:call a tory an unapologetic wealth extractor and robber baron will just elicit a shrug because those things are both true and desirable to them. this government has taken everything they can from the poorest of our society, and they would instantly go as far as prying the last dregs from their cold dead hands without batting an eye if they think they could get away with it. When you feel so powerless against the endless boot grinding down on you, you want your words to sting or hurt because why shouldn't they? what else do you have against them? any tool you can use to get a cathartic kick back at them, anything to make them feel a shred of self-doubt or dent their self importance should be seized upon and judiciously against them so racism or sexism or homophobia is fine if it's targeted at Tories?
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OwlFancier posted:That sounds like the same rationale behind "we have to be racist because poor people are racist and we can't be the authentic poor people party if we're not racist (and also I should be racist even if I'm not talking to stupid poors)" Which is going well itt. But is better than the standard trot response of "make them the editor." Rarity posted:Totally disagree with this. You don't need a master's degree to call Sajid Javid a oval office.
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Again, though, for the bazillionth time, the tories are not reading UKMT, they will never hear what you say about them here, only we will. If you just want to say mean things at tories in effigy you could literally scream into your pillow. Or better yet go out and build a wicker man and burn boris in effigy inside it, bonfire night's coming up and that'll give you way more catharsis.
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Michael Gove is like the guy who thinks good sex is pumping away while you’re making a grocery list in your head wondering when he’ll be done. Rory Stewart is like the guy who is all sweet and nerdy but holds you down and makes you cum until your calves cramp.
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OwlFancier posted:Again, though, for the bazillionth time, the tories are not reading UKMT, they will never hear what you say about them here, only we will. it's been repeatedly stated it's not just about tories
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Ursine Catastrophe posted:My teeth are terrible for reasons and every time the topic of "lol they have terrible teeth" comes up in any context I've got a little niggling reminder of "remember, no matter the situation, no big smiles". I say this not as a "oh woe is me, never speak of teeth on my behalf" but as a confirmation of yeah there's actually people affected, and frequently they won't say anything about it because it's already been beat into them from all directions that "well, that's your fault for having something about you that's mockable, innit?" Hmm fair enough I got something to think about then As a fellow lovely tooth haver I know that "mouth closed while we smile, now" thing. I do handle it differently when people make fun though, I guess I genuinely divorce the appearance poo poo entirely from the subject of fun. Theyr being mocked cause theyr terrible not because of their teeth or whatever Ms Adequate posted:Rarity et al: Hey this particular thing is problematic and here's why, maybe instead of that do this other thing instead! Tbf in this particular instance it was more like Rarity jumping on some elephant guy without explanation for having laughed at a joke in this threads own podcast Then sorta declaring "this thread decided X" at which point some posters like me went "welllllll"
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Gorn Myson posted:Michael Gove is like the guy who thinks good sex is pumping away while you’re making a grocery list in your head wondering when he’ll be done. Rory Stewart is like the guy who is all sweat and cums on your calves.
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gently caress me this thread gets cranky during recess, if the Supreme Court doesn't order them back before then the October thread will probably have our first murder.
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isn't this just basic in-group tribal signalling, where we throw insults at group enemies to gain approval (because extensive critique requires knowledge and effort and risks division) I'm sure there are more productive ways to accomplish this
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Should we update the podcast thread to remove all those pods which make fun of right wingers' appearances? If we're proposing to have Correct opinions maybe we shouldn't be promoting material that has problematic content like Chapo talking about various US politicians look (or even making fun of their names!) or Reel Politik making fun of how Mike Gapes MP talks.
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Gorn Myson posted:Rory Stewart is like the guy who is all sweet and nerdy but holds you down and makes you cum until your calves cramp. You made me read this with my eyes you monster
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Gorn Myson posted:Michael Gove is like the guy who thinks good sex is pumping away while you’re making a grocery list in your head wondering when he’ll be done. I hate this post and everything is stands for.
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Is it OK to say that John Rentoul looks like a vampire, given that he also acts like a complete ghoul?
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goddamnedtwisto posted:gently caress me this thread gets cranky during recess, if the Supreme Court doesn't order them back before then the October thread will probably have our first murder. I already fuckin' killed Fluo Gorn Myson posted:Rory Stewart is like the guy who is all sweet and nerdy but holds you down and makes you cum until your calves cramp. This is haram
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winegums posted:Should we update the podcast thread to remove all those pods which make fun of right wingers' appearances? If we're proposing to have Correct opinions maybe we shouldn't be promoting material that has problematic content like Chapo talking about various US politicians look (or even making fun of their names!) or Reel Politik making fun of how Mike Gapes MP talks. it's political correctness gone mad winegums!
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winegums posted:Should we update the podcast thread to remove all those pods which make fun of right wingers' appearances? If we're proposing to have Correct opinions maybe we shouldn't be promoting material that has problematic content like Chapo talking about various US politicians look (or even making fun of their names!) or Reel Politik making fun of how Mike Gapes MP talks. "we are not perfect therefore we should not attempt to improve" is an extremely weak argument when the right wing employs it and it is not improved when you try to.
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Igotadigbick posted:You made me read this with my eyes you monster Listen, you're obviously not clear on the direction this thread is going, with what still having eyes.
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WhatEvil posted:Is it OK to say that John Rentoul looks like a vampire, given that he also acts like a complete ghoul? I feel like he’d look less like a vampire if he didn’t have that sneering scowl he’s wearing in his headshot.
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Gorn Myson posted:Michael Gove is like the guy who thinks good sex is pumping away while you’re making a grocery list in your head wondering when he’ll be done. delete this
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Nobody is saying "never do this again or you're banished from leftism" - it's being pointed out that we can and should do better. I imagine Rarity was a bit upset because WhatEvil came praising a funny but lovely joke we made on the podcast (even though it wasn't meant as such!) the day after the discussion which he probably skipped. The thread doesn't "decide" anything, but I expect more from you fuckers.
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A good compromise would be to bleep out the appearance jabs because bleeps are funny and it would be pretty funny to be like "bojo is a f*t u**y oval office"
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Ms Adequate posted:The logical extension of that argument is that literally anything goes as long as you're directing it towards Tories. Why not racial, sexist, homophobic slurs? because there is a culturally and contextually defined line, and i'm comfortable with that? quote:Furthermore it's absolutely NOT being used to deflect criticism from those who deserve to be criticized, unless your sole definition for "deserves to be criticized" is "has a physical appearance open to mockery" or your sole idea of criticism is "mocking physical appearance". Not a single person in this thread has said you can't attack the Tories with the utmost viciousness, just that doing so in particular ways is probably harmful to others so maybe we should avoid doing so. quote:You can still call Rory Stewart a pro-landlord anti-welfare parasitic leech on society who deserves the guillotine, or say the Prime Minister is an extreme danger to the people of the country and has oceans of blood on his hands, or you can call them great sucking voids of charisma that couldn't organize a pissup in a brewery, or any of a billion other things, so I'm absolutely failing to see how what we're saying actually is deflecting criticism from those who deserve to be criticized in any way whatsoever. i presume that's the royal you, again. and "great sucking void of charisma" - is that not a comment on appearance with a euphemistic proxy on top? doesn't "leech" qualify - this conversation was about "horse", of course. Rarity posted:Totally disagree with this. You don't need a master's degree to call Sajid Javid a oval office. now, here's a great example! so, i'm from north america, and the first time i heard the word "oval office" i was a child, and it was screamed at me from a passing car at a take back the night march. this is how the word is used, of course - it's unambiguously a slur, up there with the racial ones. i don't say "rarity, the language you are using is literally synonymous with violence against women" - i'm willing to accept that there is a cultural and social context and draw the line appropriately. i understand that while i personally find the term highly offensive (you'll notice i very seldom use it) that it is not productive or helpful to police your language, within evident limits - i understand that you are not using it in that way. i give you the benefit of the doubt, and i don't say "hey, this is a north american website - there could be any number of people who are repulsed by your language". because it's not constructive.
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I mean conversely I stopped using it because not everyone's comfortable with it even in the UK thread, because that's actually very easy to do.
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Miftan posted:The thread doesn't "decide" anything, but I expect more from you fuckers. it's much easier for people to believe they're being contradicted because "lol UKMT hivemind" than it is for them to actually examine their own argument and see if they might possibly be in the wrong this time
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Hentai Jihadist posted:Then sorta declaring "this thread decided X" at which point some posters like me went "welllllll" TBH this is the biggest problem in this whole... thing - this thread will never be of a single mind about anything* but "gently caress the Tories" and even then there'll be some fringe voices around the actual meaning of all three of those words. Anyone claiming otherwise is just reigniting the argument, not stopping it. * I swear to God if one of you tedious cunts comes up with some "funny" other thing we all agree on I will loving cut you.
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I am not at all in favour of those who want to engage in copulation, or promote the imagery of copulation, with tories.
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The whiplash you can get when you have a divergence from this thread can be quite upsetting because most of the time it feels like a close community and is a relief to be around when you are surrounded by the opposite in daily life. When the fangs come out it's like having a usually friendly dog suddenly snap at you! I feel like the sudden change is what gets people all defensive. Is there anything we can do about that?
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Guys, I don’t want to be that mediator person but: This discussion is getting tiresome considering we just had like 10 pages of it 2 days ago. Can we just come to a compromise and make a conscious effort to not use appearance vitriol which may upset others, whilst still feeling free to lambast Tories for how awful they are, without resorting to jibes at physical attributes? I know I said Swinson looks like she’s eternally constipated, but that was around her mannerisms and behaviours when she is speaking in public, which I don’t view as a personalised attack on her appearance based on her physical make up. It wasn’t an open invitation to comment on her teeth or physical attributes either. I feel partly responsible for this shitshow because after my comment, the floodgates seemed to open - and that was not the intent of what I said. Sorry if it was the cause, as it certainly wasn’t what I was going for. So if we could please put this to bed instead of this to and froing, I think we’d all be a little better off, even if the conversation does have a sensible discourse.
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