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Can someone tell me how many Labour MPs are likely to get deselected before the next general election? How long does the process take? My understanding is that Labour MPs were already asked this month if they plan to run for re-election, but I haven’t seen much details especially on whether or not this matters if a snap election is called shortly before or after the Brexit deadline.
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Probably none, as I said most of them have jumped to other parties or indicated they don't want to stand again. The rest will fall in line and hope to get another term out of it.
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Sep 21, 2019 02:10
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OwlFancier posted:Probably none, as I said most of them have jumped to other parties or indicated they don't want to stand again. The rest will fall in line and hope to get another term out of it. Does this mean that there could be an end to the constant reports of internal divisions within the Labour Party in the foreseeable future? I know that the media is basically hostile to Corbyn no matter what, but it would be helpful if there weren’t so many Labour MPs willing to sabotage their own party.
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Sep 21, 2019 02:23
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Snipee posted:Can someone tell me how many Labour MPs are likely to get deselected before the next general election? How long does the process take? My understanding is that Labour MPs were already asked this month if they plan to run for re-election, but I haven’t seen much details especially on whether or not this matters if a snap election is called shortly before or after the Brexit deadline. There has been no purge or real deselections. Some jumped early, the rest got a polite letter asking "Would you like to leave quietly or stay on as a Labour MP?" The majority will bite their tongue and pick option 2. Even Watson's not being kicked out of the party, he's just losing his bonus position of deputy cause he hasn't done any of the required work in six months, proving that it's not really that vital to the party. Snipee posted:Does this mean that there could be an end to the constant reports of internal divisions within the Labour Party in the foreseeable future? I know that the media is basically hostile to Corbyn no matter what, but it would be helpful if there weren’t so many Labour MPs willing to sabotage their own party. Even if there were no MP's to leak those reports they will likely continue to make up bullshit until we get a left wing majority government who enacts press reforms.
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Sep 21, 2019 02:26
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I don't think the leaking will entirely stop and yeah, as said, they'd just make it up. The press needs to be wiped out.
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Sep 21, 2019 02:45
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Anyone else think Watson may resign tomorrow?
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Sep 21, 2019 02:51
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Seems like he'd take the chance to be fired and be martyred to let the papers run a round of Jeremy VENEZUELA MAO STALIN HITLER Corbyn headlines
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Sep 21, 2019 02:58
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jabby posted:https://twitter.com/lewis_goodall/status/1175175337900171268 Ed Miliband liked this tweet
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Sep 21, 2019 03:32
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jabby posted:https://twitter.com/Peston/status/1175179710285983745 How will a second referendum before the election even happen? A government of national unity conisting of Chuktigs, Libdems and the Conservative Party (Grieveist-Letwinist)? Or they legislate from the backbench to force the government to hold a referendum even though we don't even know whether the government can be forced to write a letter? Either way, lol no
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Sep 21, 2019 07:54
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What would a protest split to force a Corbyn resignation even achieve? It's not Corbyn who's doing this bad man jermy croybn is an evil wizard who made my cows get the ague. opinions only appear as a result of authority. material conditions don't exist
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Sep 21, 2019 08:03
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CGI Stardust posted:What would a protest split to force a Corbyn resignation even achieve? It's not Corbyn who's doing this They're seeing him as the head of the Momentum serpent. If he wasn't around bringing up awkward little ideas such as socialism, Momentum would obviously go away and stop bothering them, allowing them to get on with the important matter of being Tory-lite. Also, they're terrified that successfully kicking Watson out would embolden Momentum enough to declare open season on them.
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Sep 21, 2019 08:17
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baka kaba posted:is that probe cat yes https://twitter.com/david_j_roth/status/1175241905816424448
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Sep 21, 2019 08:52
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splitting before Conference seems unlikely the forming of vague exit strategies assuming a worst case outcome at Conference, sure, but that assumes Momentum loses control of the tiger (the recent Clause IV headline being a notable example - observe that it is the NEC trying to restrain a leftier CLP from 1983'ing Conference)
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Sep 21, 2019 08:56
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Lol gently caress Tom Watson.
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Sep 21, 2019 09:07
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Diet Crack posted:Lol gently caress Tom Watson.
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Sep 21, 2019 09:18
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“Please jezza, plllllleeeeease don’t cut my stupid head off”
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Sep 21, 2019 09:23
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https://twitter.com/ZevShalev/statu...ingawful.com%2F
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Sep 21, 2019 09:28
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On the way to The World Transformed, why is Brighton so loving far away
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Sep 21, 2019 09:33
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lmao Tom Watson: plan to remove me as deputy leader is ‘drive-by shooting’ quote:Watson said he learned of the vote, which threatens to plunge the Labour party into a fresh civil war on the eve of its annual conference, while sitting in a Chinese restaurant in Manchester. isn't he a member of the nec? what's he doing in a Chinese restaurant in Manchester when they're voting to abolish him? e: on second reading, maybe it's just he was in Manchester when he learned they would have the vote instead of that they'd had the vote? E2: on reading an article about the actual motion, it was last minute at a meeting of the NEC so he was just skiving also he's apparently not turning up to shadow cabinet meetings too quote:Butler said she understood the frustration of the members. “I have my frustrations with Tom too. I haven’t seen him at a shadow cabinet meeting for a while.” what is he actually for? XMNN fucked around with this message at 09:46 on Sep 21, 2019 |
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Sep 21, 2019 09:41
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XMNN posted:lmao Lmao his excuse for not being at conference and missing the NEC meeting was 'because he was looking after his kids' yet hes out having a meal with mates????
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Sep 21, 2019 09:44
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You know what I think people fear most about no-deal Brexit? That if it happens. It's not going to be this apocalypse that kills off the Tories and forces popular uprising (to vote) and massive reform due to the sheer devastation caused. But rather that Brexit is going to happen and it's just going to be kind of crap. The financial interests all over Europe that want the money to keep flowing finds a way to keep the trade up. But stuff like worker rights and the general well being of the people become slightly worse. Not French revolution style but more East Berlin style. People go to work, they buy food. They drive shittier cars and travel less, rental properties see less maintenance. Labour wins a minority government with some lovely coalition then spend 5 years enacting some liberal policies. Few of which will have had the chance to take effect before the Tories win the next election on a platform of "the immigrants are coming to get you!" and then axe whatever work Labour started. This then feeds into EU separatist movements all over Europe to point at the UK and go "They left and they survived!" with some statistics magic they can probably point at how the UK prospered after leaving the EU. With lower unemployment, more jobs and a better stock market. Katt fucked around with this message at 09:52 on Sep 21, 2019 |
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Sep 21, 2019 09:45
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quote:Labour MPs have come to Watson’s defence. The former Labour leader Ed Miliband said: “The move to abolish the deputy leader post without warning or debate is undemocratic, wrong and should not happen. These abolitions are wrong at a time when conferences are still going on.
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Sep 21, 2019 09:47
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serious gaylord posted:Lmao his excuse for not being at conference and missing the NEC meeting was 'because he was looking after his kids' yet hes out having a meal with mates???? it's hilarious, it seems like an attempt to humanise him but he's basically just whining that he found out second hand that they'd tried to get rid of him for missing meetings... because he missed the meeting where they had the vote maybe he thought they couldn't abolish him if he just completely avoided talking to anyone who could tell him he was abolished?
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Sep 21, 2019 09:51
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I went on Twitter for a bit, and I have some advice: don't go anywhere near Twitter
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Sep 21, 2019 09:57
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Tarnop posted:I went on Twitter for a bit, and I have some advice: don't go anywhere near Twitter just very good general advice tbh
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Sep 21, 2019 10:02
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Sep 21, 2019 10:08
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A more sensible way to handle this though is change the rules on how deputy leader is replaced rather than abolish the position so members can just vote again
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Sep 21, 2019 10:11
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Apropos of guerilla tree planting and knowing that there are many Scots goons itt, is anyone involved in this? https://treesforlife.org.uk/support/volunteer/ I'm looking at ways for my mum to get involved in organised planting efforts but of course there's no similar large-scale projects for the south of England.
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Sep 21, 2019 10:14
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https://twitter.com/Peston/status/1175335197501546496?s=19 https://twitter.com/Peston/status/1175333283086950400?s=19
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Sep 21, 2019 10:15
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Private Speech posted:Then again my PC desktop background is the default windows logo thing, which is arguably even more
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than a black one, sooo.
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Sep 21, 2019 10:22
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Sep 21, 2019 10:27
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Amazing, Labour yet again manages to shoot itself in the foot, by now deciding to pull back from ousting Watson, they've made him look stronger, and themselves more chaotic. To use Watson's analogy, they've attempted a drive-by and crashed the car.
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Sep 21, 2019 10:29
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We just need to put everyone with a FBPE Twitter hashtag into the matrix except it's the 2012 Olympics every day
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Sep 21, 2019 10:29
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Comrade Fakename posted:Yeah and got literally no support from anyone for it. I don’t think Watson was going to be a big deal at this conference, now he’s the headline. Obviously this talk of 100+ MPs splitting are nonsense, but even if only one or two do it will be a big deal. Of course in reality there’s no comparison, but many will see both Labour and Tories in disarray and think they’re as bad as each other. This conference was meant to be about how Labour were ascendant, now it might be about how they’re collapsing, at least in popular conception. It's not about support, it's about whether the party can unite behind a narrative or there'll be prominent figures briefing against the leadership during a crucial GE Don't forget, Watson's been actively trying to sabotage the party's standing and paint Labour as an army of hitlers. With Corbyn still leader you can't assume the right wing of the party actually want Labour to win, and there are lots of signs they're gearing up to undermine the party - he needs kicking out at some point, better now than too late Labour can come out of this with exciting policies and a vision for the future - if the media focuses on Tom "what would you say you do here" Watson losing his special job then they probably weren't going to give much coverage anyway, what can you do? If they just want drama I'm sure someone will provide some whatever happens e- if he sticks around then yeah that really was a pointless boost for him baka kaba fucked around with this message at 10:33 on Sep 21, 2019 |
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Sep 21, 2019 10:31
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Jose posted:First time I've seen it in the wild Lol I loving doubt these numbers, they somehow got 36% of an Argentinian sample to say “hmm yes the country’s on the right track”? loving lies, our top hobby is bragging about how poo poo our country is (in case you didn’t notice)
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Sep 21, 2019 10:32
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These over the top metaphors that people keep using to describe anything that Corbyn or the left does do my head in. Every time even a whiff of anyone punching back at the Labour right it's suddenly "It's like Momentum broke into my house, beat me senseless, had their way with my wife and sold my children into slavery", and that's just their response to being called a melt on Twitter.
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Sep 21, 2019 10:35
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Pesmerga posted:Amazing, Labour yet again manages to shoot itself in the foot, by now deciding to pull back from ousting Watson, they've made him look stronger, and themselves more chaotic. To use Watson's analogy, they've attempted a drive-by and crashed the car. Blame Lansman for that one, though I can't really blame him to be fair given what a poo poo Watson has been At least it's spurred some possible action I guess
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MikeCrotch posted:Blame Lansman for that one, though I can't really blame him to be fair given what a poo poo Watson has been Yeah, I think it was misjudged, but they probably should have followed through and turfed Watson out given what a poo poo he’s been. By stepping back, Watson is now going to spend the entire time doubling down on attacks on the leadership and being given even more airtime as the winner of this little debacle.
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