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That's the one. Thanks.
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Oh so it's just the times making things up then, fair enough.
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Bug Squash posted:Fun fact: civil servants can read Reddit 
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I just want to be reassured that JC is going to win .
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bump_fn posted:*labour looks like they might remove watson* They're weak ineffectual infighting stalinist monsters? OwlFancier posted:Either we brexit in october or we don't, either way things other than brexit are more important. It is quite important though.
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Guavanaut posted:So can MPs. Speaking of, MI6 are now calling Prince Andrew a threat to national security.
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He might he might not, the political situation is extremely volatile, the important thing is that whether he does or not the movement has to continue, if he wins and it doesn't then it'll rot and be reversed immediately afterwards, if he loses then all the more need for us to win the next one. Politics must be more than individual people.NotJustANumber99 posted:It is quite important though. Not in isolation it's not, brexit is a product of decades of poo poo, and if you called it off tomorrow that wouldn't fix it, if you did it tomorrow that wouldn't fix anything either, brexit is just, like, the big purple bell end of the dick of neoliberalism. OwlFancier fucked around with this message at 23:56 on Sep 21, 2019 |
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lol at that headline. "Russia". loving hell, we don't need the FSB to link Randy Andy to Epstein, his victim has done it multiple times now.
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OwlFancier posted:brexit is a product of decades of poo poo Same.
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OwlFancier posted:He might he might not, the political situation is extremely volatile, the important thing is that whether he does or not the movement has to continue, if he wins and it doesn't then it'll rot and be reversed immediately afterwards, if he loses then all the more need for us to win the next one. Politics must be more than individual people. yes but upper middle class liberals were benefitting from the rest of neoliberalism and now might have difficulty going on holiday so it’s the only thing that matters
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bump_fn posted:yes but upper middle class liberals were benefitting from the rest of neoliberalism and now might have difficulty going on holiday so it’s the only thing that matters Lol mate I don't holiday in europe. I just need to be able to spend a few months at the vineyard I bought on a whim.
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forkboy84 posted:lol at that headline. "Russia". loving hell, we don't need the FSB to link Randy Andy to Epstein, his victim has done it multiple times now. I think the idea is that there's more horrifying details than are currently public, and they could be used by hostile actors to compromise Andrew if he goes back to stuff like his trade ambassador job (or just continues hanging around the rich and powerful). The problem isn't that a royal could have his reputation ruined, the problem is that a royal could literally end up as a spy for a hostile power in order to prevent Russia Today from broadcasting a 24/7 reel of his child rape tapes set to Yakety Sax.
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That's what annoys me really, the ridiculous focus on just the YES LEAVE or NO STAY bit, absolutely nobody except Labour has any sort of appreciation for the actual problems, as if just staying or leaving is going to solve loving politics, all the others are just the most godawful short termist idiots who have absolutely no appreciation for the tides of material conditions that actually resulted in the state we're in now. If the lib dems canceled brexit tomorrow we'd be out of the EU by 2025.
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Sanitary Naptime posted:We’re really going to struggle to shorten them more than the 1hr30 mark as it is on one episode a week, and editing two episodes a week every week will kill me and any personal relationships I have in my real life. I don't think there's a "right" length for a podcast - my two favourites clock in at 30ish minutes and around two hours (both do 2-4 shows a week btw, you bunch of slackers) . As most people listen while commuting or while doing other tasks I really don't think it matters that much, as long as the content itself doesn't drag and there's natural breaks to let people dip in and out, but having a soft limit (perhaps on maximum length of the recording itself) is probably just as useful for you and the other makers as it is for listeners.
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Buckingham Palace really should just hang him out to dry. The current batch of royals have been popping out heirs all over the place lately, so the chance of him getting the throne is practically nil. If they time it right, a no-deal brexit would be a wonderful oportunity to air dirty laundry.
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Soylent Yellow posted:Buckingham Palace really should just hang him out to dry. The current batch of royals have been popping out heirs all over the place lately, so the chance of him getting the throne is practically nil. If they time it right, a no-deal brexit would be a wonderful oportunity to air dirty laundry. Queen quite likes him.
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NotJustANumber99 posted:Queen quite likes him. I suppose he has the whole "Isn't Charles" thing going for him.
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goddamnedtwisto posted:I don't think there's a "right" length for a podcast - my two favourites clock in at 30ish minutes and around two hours (both do 2-4 shows a week btw, you bunch of slackers) . We are slackers and I'm surprised it's gone on this long and has had this many listeners 
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kingturnip posted:Polls have the same weighting as things that the pigeons tell you while you're asleep
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OwlFancier posted:That's what annoys me really, the ridiculous focus on just the YES LEAVE or NO STAY bit, absolutely nobody except Labour has any sort of appreciation for the actual problems, as if just staying or leaving is going to solve loving politics, all the others are just the most godawful short termist idiots who have absolutely no appreciation for the tides of material conditions that actually resulted in the state we're in now. If the lib dems canceled brexit tomorrow we'd be out of the EU by 2025. liberals and centrists hate democracy i remember seeing polls indicating they didn’t care about democracy as much as the left or even the right
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bump_fn posted:liberals and centrists hate democracy Lol. But... they took the polls?
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Chuka Umana posted:The last poll showing Labour at 22% isn't great. You are Pissflaps and I claim my five pounds
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NotJustANumber99 posted:Lol. But... they took the polls? When you're a liberal nothing is more than important than being asked for your (Very Sensible) opinion.
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OwlFancier posted:Oh so it's just the times making things up then, fair enough. Probably not if they're releasing wholesale quotes from him, otherwise someone from Labour would just say 'this is made up'. Stuff like this isn't made up, just heavily spun and selectively quoted: https://twitter.com/ShippersUnbound/status/1175543112288153600 Admittedly most of what I know about Milne is through the media lens, but he does seem to be a somewhat divisive figure. He's apparently one of the main obstacles to Labour completely backing remain.
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I mean at the least what the times is publishing is grossly misleading. If someone has enough concern for the welfare of the movement to give the official resignation he gave then that's very different from flouncing out screaming poo poo about everyone else. I'm not particularly bothered in giving the times the benefit of the doubt because their reporting is "based on a true story" or whatever, they're making poo poo up like the rest of the press, and they belong in the same landfill.
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They're worried that we're going to find out the real reason that it's legal for MI6 to produce child abuse images. It's because they're all nonces or nonce-adjacent.  jabby posted:He's apparently one of the main obstacles to Labour completely backing remain.
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Guavanaut posted:Is the other that the EU keeps being openly hostile to left politics or openly supports racists, Nazis, and homophobes exactly when I'm about willing to give them another chance? Probably not, no. The Brexit debate is always painful to watch at conference time. Corbyn came to power promising party democracy and straight-talking, and instead we get compositing stitch-ups and promises to hold another conference after the election to decide our main policy. Personally I flit between thinking it must be some type of four-dimensional chess that will propel Labour to victory and despairing that it's just not what we were promised when we voted for Corbyn.
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OwlFancier posted:I mean at the least what the times is publishing is grossly misleading. If someone has enough concern for the welfare of the movement to give the official resignation he gave then that's very different from flouncing out screaming poo poo about everyone else. Who cares what the times are saying? Other than, well... you really? Have you ever had a job you really believed in and wanted to achieve with, but other people and factors on your team ultimately made the whole thing just personally untenable? You just can't do it any more. SO you resign and you tell the people you work with why because, well you're only human, and well maybe it will help I suppose. The times then printing some of this is not the issue. You said the lad was an 'oik'? Because of what they printed? Have I mixed up what you're quoting cos it seems kind of odd.
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The polls warned me about Corbyn losing. Is that right, Zach?
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Pochoclo posted:The polls warned me about Corbyn losing. Is that right, Zach? TIBFJC, right there in the coffee.
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Ok but we can all agree that this actually is bad for Corbyn though. E: i have become the left eating itself
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Bobby Deluxe posted:Ok but we can all agree that this actually is bad for Corbyn though. Uh, about that...
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End of the day we shouldn't even bother having a conference season this year. Everything is going to come down to what happens on the 31st. If we crash out and go into an immediate election BoJo will probably walk it, if for whatever reason we haven't left and he's still talking up a deal he'll probably struggle a lot.
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kingturnip posted:Uh, about that... Fisher penned the 2017 manifesto. He's a big, scary loss.
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jabby posted:Probably not, no. Problems are that Corbyn (a) isn't Absolute Dictator, (b) labour is a broad (some might say too broad) church, (c) labour party rule book, and (d) democracy is a system of messy compromise and unless everyone in the party had the same views as Corbyn on everything from 'a gentler, kinder politics' to doing the brexit-remain tango will continue to be messy. I'm having a 'stuff it' moment just now, fed up of the in-fighting - real or imagined by the MSM. And Lansman's move to get rid of Watson - much as I loathe Watson - just demonstrates to me my gut dislike of the guy's style and why I vote for him on relevant slates with my fingers crossed and a clove of garlic on the computer. Jaeluni Asjil fucked around with this message at 01:14 on Sep 22, 2019 |
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Darth Walrus posted:Fisher penned the 2017 manifesto. He's a big, scary loss. At least he isn't leaving until after a snap election. And to be fair I can't see Corbyn leading Labour into a third election if this one goes tits up. Guy didn't really want to be leader in the first place, he's done an amazing job at reforming the party but at some point you've just been rejected by the electorate too many times. Also happens to be why the Labour right will probably try really hard to make sure we lose.
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I'm piping up to also say that the podcast is good. I left the UK as as a kid when my family emigrated, and didn't even know what DWP stood for, though I'm familiar with the concept since we have something similar that's heading that way. I've only really started paying attention to politics in any detail fairly recently, let alone UK politics, and I don't get lots of the jokes in the podcast or lurking this thread (miwk? melt?  I'll figure them out eventually), but it's still interesting, and passionate. It's also handy as a source of... politicalness? Whatever a good term would be, since my opinions have become a lot stronger lately but things like the thread-OP's links are still impenetrable. Thanks for helping to radicalise me, I guess!But also, this from a few pages back: Pesmerga posted:Can't wait for the Guardian's next science piece, 'is there chlorine in your drinking water?' Anyway, one of the columnists in the latest issue - or maybe the one before that - asked, in print, in a piece selected from a week's worth of content, why The Left were so against chlorinated chicken when they didn't care about chlorinated water, hmmm? I haven't dared to ask parents what they think of Brexit.
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I really just want some socialism in my life time. I want to own my business alongside my co-workers and friends, and have as many of us as possible safe and well against what might occur. I really do hope something good comes out of this because I am so loving tired of it all.
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