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Tijuana Bibliophile posted:what's the three months thing about. nothing at all could possibly get done in that time, other than may's deal but we promise it's isn't Labour have been taking to the EU for the last couple of years. I assume that they have an outline deal agreed and they reckon they can get the details done in 3 months. e: 1292 - John Balliol is selected by King Edward I of England as King of Scotland, from among 13 competitors for the Crown of Scotland; Edward then treats John as a puppet ruler and Scotland as a vassal state, eventually provoking the Wars of Scottish Independence. This will later become known as Skexit. Wolfsbane fucked around with this message at 13:36 on Sep 22, 2019 |
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Darth Walrus posted:I think Shipman said it was a private conversation leaked to him by one of the people Fisher spoke to. He never intended it to be public, and certainly not in the Times. If you were a modern Alistair Cambell and you wanted the contents to of a resignation letter to be ignored by as many Labour Party members as possible, who would you leak it to?
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The Guardian Of national and racial strength and purity
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You'll all be relieved that I'm not going to post any links but Frances Weetman has the exact energy of a 'gifted and talented' kid who's worked out that parroting the cynical middle-aged Sensible Adults in the room while dismissing her peers as stupid and naive makes her sound very grown up, and like such kids she thoroughly deserves to have her head placed in a toilet and that toilet then flushed upon it.
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bump_fn posted:https://twitter.com/thesundaytimes/status/1175682248252841984 I did that survey. I seem to recall I answered 'don't know' to that question in that survey. And I also roasted the quality of the questions in that survey at the end because the answer selection was very poor in many of them so I ended up saying 'don't know' when I had quite definite views not reflected in the answer selection available. Re newspapers: Checked the various headlines in the shop this morning - only the Observer (Sunday Graun) seemed to be leading with anti-Labour stuff. Jaeluni Asjil fucked around with this message at 14:06 on Sep 22, 2019 |
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This is such a perfectly Guardian reason for shitcanning one of their worst columnists. Right out of the Failing New York Times playbook.
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Dear Lord academic Twitter is full of brainworms. So many people I genuinely used to respect pulling some pathologically dumb fubpee poo poo out of their arses. Given I'm a very much early career in a field where there are no jobs I can't even yell at them online either because I have to play nicey nice if I want to have a wage next year. gently caress me academia is so bad and I cba with it.
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forkboy84 posted:This is such a perfectly Guardian reason for shitcanning one of their worst columnists. Right out of the Failing New York Times playbook. I still use the Guardian for the what-is-happening news, but it's so hilariously bad at so many things. Comments are a cesspit. Opinion is ~~balanced~~ so you get an article detailing the destruction of austerity next to one by David Cameron. The Science and Tech sections seem to get updated once a week, a week behind proper science and tech sites. And the Lifestyle section is what you'd write if you wanted to make fun of middle class people. But please, give us money! E: apart from the couple of Opinion people with non-terrible opinions, the only actual journalist who seems to write anything worthwhile is Patrick Butler. Bobstar fucked around with this message at 14:14 on Sep 22, 2019 |
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You know, I'm a bit worried about Labour pushing for a second referendum against Revoke in a general election. It's effectively an argument that general elections aren't democratic enough to deal with Brexit as an issue, and I haven't seen much evidence that Labour is willing and able to follow through on that line of reasoning.
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Bobstar posted:And the Lifestyle section is what you'd write if you wanted to make fun of middle class people. Old but can never be reposted too many times lol https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2012/aug/11/devastated-by-my-sons-tattoo E: George Monbiot is ok and despite all the hate he gets Owen Jones is actually a good egg
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https://twitter.com/callummay/status/1175742784004919297?s=21 It’s been creeping up for a while but with this I think holy poo poo, we’ve actually reached the same nadir that we’ve mocked American politics for being at for so long
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ThomasPaine posted:Dear Lord academic Twitter is full of brainworms. So many people I genuinely used to respect pulling some pathologically dumb fubpee poo poo out of their arses. Given I'm a very much early career in a field where there are no jobs I can't even yell at them online either because I have to play nicey nice if I want to have a wage next year. this is why i get so annoyed when people complain that academia is entirely full of marxists when theyre all lovely libs
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Wolfsbane posted:Labour have been taking to the EU for the last couple of years. I assume that they have an outline deal agreed and they reckon they can get the details done in 3 months. there absolutely isn't an outline deal. not sure what makes you think this but if there were 'ongoing talks' of that sort the tories would attack them every single day for undermining the legitimate negotiations, and could credibly accuse the EU of violating art 50 itself, by not allowing the UK to leave according to its constitution. the UK parliament has voted for the government to negotiate a brexit deal and to do parallel negotiations with the opposition would be toxic as gently caress--there's friendly visits of course, everyone from lord nige to mcdonnell have visited barniers office, but those are just 'here's what we want'/'here's why it won't happen' stuff, not planning for ukgov's next collapse
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bump_fn posted:this is why i get so annoyed when people complain that academia is entirely full of marxists when theyre all lovely libs Eh there's about as many marxists as fash. Which is to say not a lot, but it's very disturbing to fash who are used to very different ratios in the general society.
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ThomasPaine posted:gently caress me academia is so bad and I cba with it. Noxville posted:https://twitter.com/callummay/status/1175742784004919297?s=21 bump_fn posted:this is why i get so annoyed when people complain that academia is entirely full of marxists when theyre all lovely libs
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Noxville posted:https://twitter.com/callummay/status/1175742784004919297?s=21 We're also seeing the British right learn the lessons of the American right in that no matter how far right a media org moves, you can always get them to go further if you scream about them being biased towards the left. That was my first thought when I saw that John Humphries poo poo yesterday, they're going to start playing the refs because even with almost the entire news media hostile to Labour, they can always get moreso.
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bump_fn posted:this is why i get so annoyed when people complain that academia is entirely full of marxists when theyre all lovely libs There are some decent people but as with all relatively privileged professions brexit has claimed many brains amongst the senior types. It doesn't help that they're all in a job with it's whole foundation in people convincing them they're very smart. The break between socialists and dumb libs as you go up the hierarchy is hilariously stark though. At least there are precious few out and out Tories or fash.
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njsykora posted:We're also seeing the British right learn the lessons of the American right in that no matter how far right a media org moves, you can always get them to go further if you scream about them being biased towards the left. That was my first thought when I saw that John Humphries poo poo yesterday, they're going to start playing the refs because even with almost the entire news media hostile to Labour, they can always get moreso. the overton window is real and powerful and my friend
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Guavanaut posted:That-Bertrand-Russell-quote-about-academia. I don't know the quote? There are a frustratingly high number of people who use Marxist analysis in their work but are politically centrist somehow. See also the massive problem with sexual harassment and assault, often from guys who write about power and oppression. It would be funny if it wasn't still such an issue.
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ThomasPaine posted:I don't know the quote? My own opinion—which I may as well indicate at the outset—is that pure Anarchism, though it should be the ultimate ideal, to which society should continually approximate, is for the present impossible, and would not survive more than a year or two at most if it were adopted. On the other hand, both Marxian Socialism and Syndicalism, in spite of many drawbacks, seem to me calculated to give rise to a happier and better world than that in which we live. I do not, however, regard either of them as the best practicable system. Marxian Socialism, I fear, would give far too much power to the State, while Syndicalism, which aims at abolishing the State, would, I believe, find itself forced to reconstruct a central authority in order to put an end to the rivalries of different groups of producers. The best practicable system, to my mind, is that of Guild Socialism, which concedes what is valid both in the claims of the State Socialists and in the Syndicalist fear of the State, by adopting a system of federalism among trades for reasons similar to those which are recommending federalism among nations. (from Proposed Roads to Freedom)
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bump_fn posted:My own opinion—which I may as well indicate at the outset—is that pure Anarchism, though it should be the ultimate ideal, to which society should continually approximate, is for the present impossible, and would not survive more than a year or two at most if it were adopted. On the other hand, both Marxian Socialism and Syndicalism, in spite of many drawbacks, seem to me calculated to give rise to a happier and better world than that in which we live. I do not, however, regard either of them as the best practicable system. Marxian Socialism, I fear, would give far too much power to the State, while Syndicalism, which aims at abolishing the State, would, I believe, find itself forced to reconstruct a central authority in order to put an end to the rivalries of different groups of producers. The best practicable system, to my mind, is that of Guild Socialism, which concedes what is valid both in the claims of the State Socialists and in the Syndicalist fear of the State, by adopting a system of federalism among trades for reasons similar to those which are recommending federalism among nations. Lol I've never seen a quote manage to get the analysis right and then poo poo the bed so hard on the solution before. loving guild socialism???
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ThomasPaine posted:Dear Lord academic Twitter is full of brainworms. So many people I genuinely used to respect pulling some pathologically dumb fubpee poo poo out of their arses. Given I'm a very much early career in a field where there are no jobs I can't even yell at them online either because I have to play nicey nice if I want to have a wage next year. I feel about academia like some people feel about an alcoholic parent. I dread the thought of becoming what I have grown to hate. There's a rather famous person in my field on FBPE twitter who moaned he couldn't get planning permission to convert the loft in the house he owns without any regard for the hundreds of his postdoc and pdra followers that literally cannot and likely will never afford to buy. The amount of 'but what about brexit jeremyyyyy' followed up with 'the jump from PDRA to faculty has a microscopic success rate and I simply cannot do anything about it, so gently caress you got mine' is also incredible.
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See I feel good about anarchism, I need to do more reading on theory but like instinctively it seems that resisting power structures is the way to go... but doesn't that also leave you massively open to ratfucking by a larger neoliberal country/organisation? Like I guess that's part of why the "socialism in one country" thing is somewhat doomed but then it also makes it that much more unrealistic in that you have to get a worldwide rise of the workers all at once. Also the whole "no power structures" thing means that you have to fundamentally have a populace that's willing to just outright loving kill anybody who tries to set one up because there's no other way of stopping that poo poo, and while I'm fine with that in theory (cause you know, just don't try to take advantage of people and you're good), if somebody actually called upon me to do the killing I don't think I could actually do it. Of course somebody might tell me now why I'm wrong and please do 'cause I'd like to learn more about this stuff.
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Just checking in are politics fun again yet
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WhatEvil posted:See I feel good about anarchism, I need to do more reading on theory but like instinctively it seems that resisting power structures is the way to go... but doesn't that also leave you massively open to ratfucking by a larger neoliberal country/organisation? reading is for nerds
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Calico Heart posted:Just checking in are politics fun again yet when were politics fun
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Gort posted:when were politics fun https://twitter.com/parliawint/status/873859489727950848
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WhatEvil posted:Also the whole "no power structures" thing means that you have to fundamentally have a populace that's willing to just outright loving kill anybody who tries to set one up because there's no other way of stopping that poo poo, and while I'm fine with that in theory (cause you know, just don't try to take advantage of people and you're good), if somebody actually called upon me to do the killing I don't think I could actually do it. Define power structure though. Whats the minimum structure that deems death worthy. Or to squash.
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ThomasPaine posted:Cheese made with unpasteurized milk can be real good though, like isle of mull cheddar Unpasteurised stilton is amazing.
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Found a preview of the conservative party manifesto. https://twitter.com/doom_txt/status/1175751356239376386
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happyhippy posted:Define power structure though. 
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WhatEvil posted:See I feel good about anarchism, I need to do more reading on theory but like instinctively it seems that resisting power structures is the way to go... but doesn't that also leave you massively open to ratfucking by a larger neoliberal country/organisation? Anarchism isn't good at fighting psychotic murder societies, no. But the anarchist would say that's a problem of psychotic murder societies, not anarchism. Also you can imagine the same sort of self sustaining ideology we have with capitalism, it doesn't just have to be people killing each other over doing a hierarchy, antihierarchical sentiment can be as natural to us as hierarchy is now.
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