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bump_fn posted:do i have to know what all these words mean to be a socialist i just hate rich people Nope. I only ever became a socialist out of a moral sense of right & wrong.
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bump_fn posted:do i have to know what all these words mean to be a socialist i just hate rich people how can you call yourself a socialist if you still think that the rich are people
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If liberals believed in Droit à la ville and communal co-created spaces to the extent that Bookchinists do then they wouldn't be liberals.Dead Goon posted:royna refusing to use proper capitalisation and grammar makes them the biggest anarchist of us all
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I can't wait for the tory party conference to get some quality backstabbing and chaos, much more entertaining than all this labour poo poo. It's always the same, the PLP work to attack and undermine Corbyn, and Corbyn does nothing about it.
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I'm just eagerly waiting to see what the Brexit composite motion will look like this year
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Speaking of.  I do have to admit, it was a little bit concerning when Corbyn staged a show trial at the conference where an emaciated, glassy-eyed Tom Watson confessed to being a wrecker who personally rigged the Brexit referendum and set fire to Grenfell, and then was dragged off to a basement to be executed by Commissar McDonnell. (also lol that Rawnsley mysteriously knows exactly where Watson was when he found out about the motion)
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i think the reason i prefer socialism is because i won't be compelled to take part in "communal projects", i can just pay my taxes, support my union, and be left alone. anarchism is kind of niche and requires me to like other people, which is rare. i don't like most people, i just also don't want to see them suffering. also anarchism is wholly inadequate for dealing with the kinds of child loving psycho strongmen who run global society, never mind the UK. it has no solution for dealing with that level of entrenched authoritarian evil. lenin did, however, which is why he is the original boy. there's no "reforming" or "rehabilitating" someone who wants you dead, you know? trench them.
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Have any Watsonistas explained why the deputy leader of the labour party was in a restaurant in Manchester instead of, say, Brighton?
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Qwertycoatl posted:Have any Watsonistas explained why the deputy leader of the labour party was in a restaurant in Manchester instead of, say, Brighton? because corbyn is a secret brexiteer who refuses to uphold the result of the referendum and a stalinist monster who is weak and ineffectual and cant do anything
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I mean anarchism would suggest that the reason you have those kinds of psychos is precisely because of the detached society you express a desire for, without constant communal reinforcement it becomes very easy for people to exploit others in that way. Its whole point, really, is to avoid producing those kinds of people, because it thinks that maintaining the kinds of power structures they inhabit, whether you paint them red and add the "people's" prefix or not, is going to produce more of them.
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Question for the thread: I'm coming to the end of my PhD and am currently writing my thesis. It's due by the end of the month, and I'm basically finished. However, both myself and my fiancee got really, really unwell about a week ago. I've had my arm twisted into looking at a week's extension (which would be suuuuper helpful, and would probably help to push the quality way up), but it would require a doctors note and I'm currently not registered with a GP (I moved and just straight forgot to register in the new area). What should I do? Is there a way of getting a doctor's note in the time-frame required, which is basically by next Thursday?
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OwlFancier posted:I mean anarchism would suggest that the reason you have those kinds of psychos is precisely because of the detached society you express a desire for, without constant communal reinforcement it becomes very easy for people to exploit others in that way. even if that's true, which i don't think it is, it still doesn't answer how an anarchist society would actually deal with those dark centres of power in the first place. edit: and from your edit, that's my main problem with the philosophy, it has this weird aversion to and squeamishness about power, and wielding power. power will exist wherever there is a group of people and some are more charismatic, attractive, or tougher than others, whether it's in a free market cesspit or an anarchist commune. there's no escaping power. so it's how you use it that matters. gh0stpinballa fucked around with this message at 17:43 on Sep 22, 2019 |
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gh0stpinballa posted:even if that's true, which i don't think it is, it still doesn't answer how an anarchist society would actually deal with those dark centres of power in the first place. Very democratic, communal, and enthusiastic guillotining sounds fine to me, and preferable to setting up the people's permanent guillotining ministry run by the kinds of people who would want to work at the people's permanent guillotining ministry. I would rather a mob with pitchforks than an institution dedicated to pitchforking people, because the mob at least is likely to go home at some point, whereas the pitchforking institute is going to keep looking for people to pitchfork because that's all it does. It's the same reason that i have absolutely no objection to executing people, but I equally do not want capital punishment to be part of the judicial system, because while there are very definitely cases where it's justifiable, by making it part of the everyday system it's going to be applied far more against people who don't deserve it. gh0stpinballa posted:edit: and from your edit, that's my main problem with the philosophy, it has this weird aversion to and squeamishness about power, and wielding power. power will exist wherever there is a group of people and some are more charismatic, attractive, or tougher than others, whether it's in a free market cesspit or an anarchist commune. there's no escaping power. so it's how you use it that matters. Fundamentally I think the difference might be that I don't believe power comes, primarily, from people being naturally "better" than others, I think it comes from institutions which produce people who have power over others. If you don't have those institutions then what, someone gets to sway their peer group by being good at arguing? That seems far less potentially harmful than someone getting put in charge of the country-wide power structure that holds people's lives in the balance. The DWP produces IDS, the home office produces home secretaries, institutons produce bad people and bad people gravitate to institutions which give them maximum power, that's the danger of hierarchies. OwlFancier fucked around with this message at 17:49 on Sep 22, 2019 |
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https://twitter.com/matt_hfoster/status/1175805580457500672?s=20 https://twitter.com/matt_hfoster/status/1175806578446016512?s=20 https://twitter.com/matt_hfoster/status/1175807324180623363?s=20 I have two questions, Is this journalist really named Matt Honeycomb Foster? Is Jewish Labour Movement the one where you don't need to be Jewish to join?
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Got home from Birmingham today (went to a gig, was good) to be told by my neighbor that some drunk driving idiot crashed into my car last night while I was away.  Luckily he reported it to the police and got their reg so I think I should at least not have to pay anything (?).
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marktheando posted:https://twitter.com/matt_hfoster/status/1175805580457500672?s=20 The Labour party may not appear to have any more backbone than the Democrat party, but gently caress guys you can remove these idiots. REMOVE THEM Stop being afraid of the ID poo poo, they're tories, keep it simple dont even bother with "libs"
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Literally no because it's up to the membership to do that if they want to, the central office running everything by diktat is what blair did and is fundamentally not sustainable and annoys the poo poo out of the membership.
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if labour outperforms the polls again and wins, how will the blairites and israel lovers explain the lack of the loving second holocaust they all claim will happen if corbyn is PM
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They'll keep saying it'll happen any day now, or move on to something else, it's a lie of convenience.
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RottenK posted:if labour outperforms the polls again and wins, how will the blairites and israel lovers explain the lack of the loving second holocaust they all claim will happen if corbyn is PM The plp is still gonna be more powerful than Corbyn if labour win a majority, they will claim they stopped it
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RottenK posted:if labour outperforms the polls again and wins, how will the blairites and israel lovers explain the lack of the loving second holocaust they all claim will happen if corbyn is PM Anonymous antisemitic Twitter posts that may potentially be from a Labour member are exactly the same as the holocaust, OP.
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OwlFancier posted:Literally no because it's up to the membership to do that if they want to, the central office running everything by diktat is what blair did and is fundamentally not sustainable and annoys the poo poo out of the membership. Surely there is some middle ground between being literally Stalin and Corbyn's approach of just doing nothing as almost all the PLP openly plot against him and call him an anti-semite
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I mean what's he gonna do, start demanding they have the whip removed? The PLP is not full of socialists, if they start to believe they're at risk of being purged they're probably just going to become even more openly hostile. I think the only credible option is bottom up replacement of them with harder line candidates. The best thing I think that can be done is more and more membership empowerment. Going to war with the PLP right now seems ill advised, because you're relying on the majority of them shutting up and doing as they're told in exchange for a few more years in power at least. OwlFancier fucked around with this message at 18:03 on Sep 22, 2019 |
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The grauniad: 'labour is stalinist' Lab conference, after voting to abolish the gently caress out of Eton: 'Yeah, so?'
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Qwertycoatl posted:Have any Watsonistas explained why the deputy leader of the labour party was in a restaurant in Manchester instead of, say, Brighton? Theres a lot more restaurants in Manchester, better range of options.
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NotJustANumber99 posted:Theres a lot more restaurants in Manchester, better range of options. He was in nandos, begging jeremy to be less antisemitic next time he votes maximum hard brexit. In reality, it's because he's a huge coward. He didn't even tell the NEC he was going to no-show.
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I am, also, a fan of labour voting to abolish the skoolaks.
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Lmao https://twitter.com/jimmy_wales/status/1175811349810745344?s=19
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StarkingBarfish posted:He didn't even tell the NEC he was going to no-show. To be fair, they didn't tell him they were going to make him abolished either. There are eleven (11) Nandos in Manchester. Only one in Brighton, although it is at a marina. And one in Hove. NotJustANumber99 fucked around with this message at 18:08 on Sep 22, 2019 |
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...and then when I was nationalised, there was nobody left to speak for me
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OwlFancier posted:Very democratic, communal, and enthusiastic guillotining sounds fine to me, and preferable to setting up the people's permanent guillotining ministry run by the kinds of people who would want to work at the people's permanent guillotining ministry. this strikes me as a society that mainly empowers the Daily Mail
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Replies to this are outstanding. So many melts screaming "THIS IS THEFT" and "THIS WON'T FIX STATE SCHOOLS". Nobody can say why they really think it's bad without telling on themselves.
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ronya posted:this strikes me as a society that mainly empowers the Daily Mail Have you seen the society we currently live in mate?
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Billet doux just received from Team Labour:quote:We're two days deep into an incredible conference. The mood here is electric! Already we've heard about Labour's exciting new pledges: I'll be interested to hear feedback from our CLP delegates as to the atmosphere compared to the press.
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Gavrilo Princip posted:Question for the thread: Go along to your local GP and try and do it in the time frame (or can you go back to the one you are still registered with - if you didn't register with a new one, I think you'll still be registered at the prevs one?) Do you live somewhere with a private GP service (as can be found at major train stations for example?) not sure if they can do sick notes.
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