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for distinctions between good and bad unions it is hard to beat the extremely good book No Shortcuts: Organizing for Power in the New Gilded Age
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One of the officers at my uni's TPUSA is DACA/undocumented. Does that count?
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Sep 23, 2019 04:03
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Joey Steel posted:One of the officers at my uni's TPUSA is DACA/undocumented. Does that count? 
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Sep 23, 2019 06:29
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Grape posted:making GBS threads on poor rural white people is bad, but constantly trying to turn them into some noble uncultivated proletariat waiting for that one conversation with an internet guy is also stupid. 
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Sep 23, 2019 06:30
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Grape posted:making GBS threads on poor rural white people is bad, but constantly trying to turn them into some noble uncultivated proletariat waiting for that one conversation with an internet guy is also stupid. But you see friend, if we only reasoned with them, they would not call me a wetback
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Sep 23, 2019 11:37
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Doc Hawkins posted:for distinctions between good and bad unions it is hard to beat the extremely good book No Shortcuts: Organizing for Power in the New Gilded Age donoteats episode on unions is very good corporate unions are garbage
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If any of this stuff is directed at my post, I want to make clear that I was amidst the ugly, underpaid, tired, over worked people I was describing. I'm a plebe just like the rest of them and was shopping for second hand clothes, a new lamp and a toy for my kid. Biggest difference is I'm not wearing a loving MAGA hat is all. I wasn't trying to be classist at all.
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Sep 23, 2019 19:37
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Joey Steel posted:One of the officers at my uni's TPUSA is DACA/undocumented. Does that count? Leopard hasn't eaten MY face yet
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Sep 23, 2019 20:24
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Most poor rural people don't vote so maybe we could try giving them something to vote for...nah gently caress em let's try winning over affluent white suburbanites again by offering to build half the wall
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Sep 23, 2019 20:32
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poor rural people just needs the nice middle class white dude to come save them
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Sep 23, 2019 20:42
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VitalSigns posted:Most poor rural people don't vote so maybe we could try giving them something to vote for...nah gently caress em let's try winning over affluent white suburbanites again by offering to build half the wall The noble salt of the earth man looked up from his toil. Brushing sweat off his brow. He paused, a glint of something entered his eyes as he saw me coming. Down the dirt road I came, nothing with me but the good word. I leaned against the fence really smartly and winked at him. He winked back. The field coincidentally had been tilled into the words "comrade". I told him I was from the internet and from there the rest was poetry.
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Sep 23, 2019 20:43
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Grape posted:The noble salt of the earth man looked up from his toil. Brushing sweat off his brow. pounded in the butt by class consciousness
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Sep 23, 2019 20:48
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VitalSigns posted:Most poor rural people don't vote so maybe we could try giving them something to vote for...nah gently caress em let's try winning over affluent white suburbanites again by offering to build half the wall an interesting thing about people that don't vote is that they're tacitly admitting "i am fine with the way things are going, to the extent that i do not feel a significant threat of loss by not participating in the electoral process" you know, because typically the people out there bothering to vote are the people that want to enact some kind of change it's like hearing middle-class WASP women say "before 2016 i thought politics was just this unfun hobby that boring people got involved in, but now i am concerned and engaged!" and what it's revealing is that the speaker was more-or-less fine with the way the country was working, prior to them suddenly realizing their personal quality of life might get shot to poo poo there's a strong argument to be made that trump directly "gave them something to vote for" and unless you're going to try and sell them socialism-but-violently-racist there's probably no message you've got that they'd care to hear
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"Funny you should say that", I murmured as I slung myself down into the mine. It was sudden I admit, but the miners didn't seem afraid, indeed it was like they were seeing something bright for the first time in their lives. "See, coal is dirty and gross and no one wants it, but it's basically just carbon.". My arm reached its way around one of their necks. "But you know what else is carbon? Diamonds." Diamonds, like the miner eyes I was gazing into.
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Sep 23, 2019 20:56
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Joey Steel posted:One of the officers at my uni's TPUSA is DACA/undocumented. Does that count? My wife works a a nonprofit that does refugee resettlement on top of a lot of other things. Theres a Burmese dude in our area running for city council who was settled here as a refugee through the program, and prior to running for office, had a job working with refugees with the NPO. He loves Trump and is running as a hardcore republican. Full FYGM. Another lady that works there had a meltdown and got fired/cops called a year or so ago because she went full MAGA and couldnt keep her hate for refugees bottled up anymore. Shes a lesbian in a relationship with a WOC. Related, The guy above who said the poor chuds are not really voting against their interests is correct. A lot of these folks know full well the R's are a party that primarily services the rich and super-rich. White supremacy makes these folks feel good and they are buying it from the donor class with their votes.
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Sep 23, 2019 20:58
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Freaking Crumbum posted:an interesting thing about people that don't vote is that they're tacitly admitting "i am fine with the way things are going, to the extent that i do not feel a significant threat of loss by not participating in the electoral process" lol gently caress you
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Sep 23, 2019 21:14
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Serf posted:lol gently caress you i suppose i can specify "people that are not otherwise prevented from voting, but choose not to" because obviously there's all kinds of insidious bullshit that gets passed into law to keep certain classes of people from voting. nobody is trying to stop working-class whites in the midwest from voting (as far as i know) and that was the group that was originally being referenced
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Sep 23, 2019 21:17
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Freaking Crumbum posted:i suppose i can specify "people that are not otherwise prevented from voting, but choose not to" because obviously there's all kinds of insidious bullshit that gets passed into law to keep certain classes of people from voting. specify away. half the people in the country don't vote. most of them don't vote because no one is out there offering them an answer to their problems
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Sep 23, 2019 21:19
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Many people don't vote because they have looked at all of the elections and realized nothing ever gets better, so why keep trying?
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Sep 23, 2019 21:23
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Freaking Crumbum posted:i suppose i can specify "people that are not otherwise prevented from voting, but choose not to" because obviously there's all kinds of insidious bullshit that gets passed into law to keep certain classes of people from voting. Counterpoint, people who are so used to getting dicked by the system they don't want to waste their time pretending like the person who promised them nothing won't dick them also
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Sep 23, 2019 21:27
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I feel like that’s a projection that would be interesting to see if that could be substantiated
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Sep 23, 2019 21:57
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CharlestheHammer posted:I feel like that’s a projection that would be interesting to see if that could be substantiated There is no single reason to explain why all the abstaining voters are refusing to participate. I have had people argue with me that nothing can change from voting and that all the promises made just get broken while attempting to get them to vote, so at least some of the population falls into that camp.
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Sep 23, 2019 22:07
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Day Man posted:Many people don't vote because they have looked at all of the elections and realized nothing ever gets better, so why keep trying? or they realize that the state itself is harmful and will never operate in the best interests of their fellow humans in the long term, and that the best thing you could do is dismantle the state
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Day Man posted:There is no single reason to explain why all the abstaining voters are refusing to participate. I have had people argue with me that nothing can change from voting and that all the promises made just get broken while attempting to get them to vote, so at least some of the population falls into that camp. I've known a number of lifelong non-voters who were activated in 2016, either because Trump made them feel personally threatened/offended, or, crazy as it seems, because the pre-Trump republican party wasnt racist enough for them. Some folks may be activated by legit, believable offers of socialism/effective government assistance. I hope so, Bernie is kinda depending on it. I will say anyone still not activated after the last few years makes me kinda iffy on them being activatable in general.
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Sep 23, 2019 22:25
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when u think about it maybe everybody is a rational actor and that's prob why neoliberalism is solving humanity's problems at a crazy pace!!
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One More Fat Nerd posted:My wife works a a nonprofit that does refugee resettlement on top of a lot of other things. Theres a Burmese dude in our area running for city council who was settled here as a refugee through the program, and prior to running for office, had a job working with refugees with the NPO. He loves Trump and is running as a hardcore republican. Full FYGM. Holy poo poo.
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Sep 23, 2019 22:33
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It's pointless to participate in a system that is based on participation, says smug jaded white people whose privilege is served by both parties
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If you're a poor white person stuck in economic hell, that sucks But if you also hate my brown skin, I'm glad you are miserable, get hosed; you should do what my great grandfather did and pull yourself out of the dirt by your boot straps in a foreign country
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Sep 23, 2019 23:45
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Zeno-25 posted:It's pointless to participate in a system that is based on participation, says smug jaded white people whose privilege is served by both parties i think the deck is pretty well stacked against participation. i say this as someone who has never missed a chance to vote and i'm not sure its done anything
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Sep 24, 2019 03:15
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Serf posted:i think the deck is pretty well stacked against participation. i say this as someone who has never missed a chance to vote and i'm not sure its done anything Sure, if you don't care about all those kids stuffed in cages, or parents who have had their children kidnapped forever, or young women forced to carry unwanted pregnancies to full term, or any of the other countless disgraces perpetuated on the human race by the Republican party. Saying that voting the Democrats in "doesn't do anything" is absurd. Yes, they're a comically inept party, but the alternative is the party dedicated to literally destroying millions of lives.
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Sep 24, 2019 07:56
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cmndstab posted:Sure, if you don't care about all those kids stuffed in cages, or parents who have had their children kidnapped forever, or young women forced to carry unwanted pregnancies to full term, or any of the other countless disgraces perpetuated on the human race by the Republican party. Dems like all that stuff tho Like the only thing on that list that they may deviate from the republican line on is abortion and even then they've been pathetically weak and cowardly and more than gleefully willing to ratfuck challengers against members who are explicitly forced birthers Anybody who says "a vote for a Dem is a vote for slowing down things getting worse, maybe" is absolutely correct and who can blame them for disengaging, don't blame the voters because the party is hot loving trash
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Sep 24, 2019 08:12
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cmndstab posted:Sure, if you don't care about all those kids stuffed in cages, or parents who have had their children kidnapped forever, or young women forced to carry unwanted pregnancies to full term, or any of the other countless disgraces perpetuated on the human race by the Republican party. Yea instead of destroying millions of lives the Democrats very concernedly destroy millions of lives very solemnly while shaking their head at what hard choices they have to make.
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Yeah, it's absolutely crazy that states with completely destroyed ecosystems and economies like West Virginia would vote in a Republican governor. If those yokels knew what was good for them and just went to the polls for the Democrats, then I'm sure the whole state would be on the road to recovery!
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Sep 24, 2019 08:36
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Isn't just voting literally the least effort you can do that brings about the least change? Sure, voting is important in a properly open society but doing nothing else except voting every four years is ineffectual to do anything for meaningful change. It should be "Vote, and also organise and make community activism a thing"
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I’ll vote dem when there’s nothing better because at least they aren’t actively campaigning on the genocide of minorities / the removal of myself and my friends as legal entities due to homosexuality or transgenderism / the active gleeful destruction of the planet to spite the libs / etc at least most of the time they’ll leave the knife in my back to staunch the bleeding slightly instead of pulling it back out for another stab
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cmndstab posted:Sure, if you don't care about all those kids stuffed in cages, or parents who have had their children kidnapped forever, or young women forced to carry unwanted pregnancies to full term, or any of the other countless disgraces perpetuated on the human race by the Republican party. the democrats aren't worth a poo poo. i vote for them regardless but i can't blame anyone who doesn't want to vote at all. when the people representing you are corporate stooges who live to serve rich people while your life just keeps getting shittier, there's not much reason to participate
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Zeno-25 posted:It's pointless to participate in a system that is based on participation, says smug jaded white people whose privilege is served by both parties It's pointless for Charlie Brown to keep on kicking at the football when Lucy keeps pulling the goddamn ball away. Also, Scrree posted:Yeah, it's absolutely crazy that states with completely destroyed ecosystems and economies like West Virginia would vote in a Republican governor. If those yokels knew what was good for them and just went to the polls for the Democrats, then I'm sure the whole state would be on the road to recovery! this but unironically.
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SubnormalityStairs posted:this but unironically. I was about to say... Serious. Just look at how hosed up Kansas got under Brownback and the current farmer crisis unfolding there now, and tell me they haven't hosed themselves over by people knowingly and openly destroying their livelihoods, all for party loyalty.
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SubnormalityStairs posted:It's pointless for Charlie Brown to keep on kicking at the football when Lucy keeps pulling the goddamn ball away. Joe Manchin is what they got.
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ReapersTouch posted:Joe Manchin is what they got. Ahh, surely WV's economy has tanked as a result... http://wvmetronews.com/2019/07/25/west-virginia-leads-nation-in-gdp-growth-for-most-recent-period/ quote:The U.S. Department of Commerce announced that West Virginia topped the nation in growth of gross domestic product for the first quarter of 2019. Oh poo poo, better get a Republican in there to turn things around to the way they should be!
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