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FWIW I have actually only ever personally met one person who went to Eton, he's very nice and very normal and very socialist and honestly probably less boogie than I am despite subsequently going to Oxford and then getting a PhD in higher maths at Edinburgh. But I think that's an aspect of rebellion against his parents I've met them. I genuinely can't fathom it otherwise. I also have a friend who's a teacher in a local private school. She's used it as an opportunity to start an LGBTQ+ club and teach the kids about tolerance and socialism. This, too, is praxis. E: jesus my poor friends getting sniped like that. 23 September is Bi Visibility Day.
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Tesseraction posted:hang on, her book's on wattpad? The place that's literally for people who feel fanfiction.net is too mean? hahahahaha That was my thought yes  But I was more making fun of "some of us like work" *literally pinned tweet* "I just quit full time work!"
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I went to a private school for free because I was smart when I was 9 and had a generally alright time but 98% of the people I met there were dickheads and I got relatively poo poo grades anyway (and was suspended for calling my housemaster a useless oval office) so on balance I say kill 'em all.
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forkboy84 posted:I don't doubt you enjoyed your time at a private school and I'm sure your sprogs do too. If I was a parent and I could afford to send my kids to private school (or they could get a scholarship) I would at least consider it too, because the advantages are significant. I don't know if my school had ever actually sent someone to Oxbridge, certainly none during the 6 years I attended. It's not that applying was discouraged exactly, it just wasn't a consideration that anyone would bother. When I was at school the final submission date for Oxbridge was before the opening of UCAS submissions. So you were not just discouraged but actually blocked from applying if you went to school in Scotland unless you took all your Highers in S5 and were doing CSYS. Scottish cunts were expected to go to St Andrews.
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D. Ebdrup posted:I know this is a couple pages back so I apologize if the conversation has moved on, but it's loving staggering to me that there are still gendered schools in the UK. Tradition is like a magic word in this country to make people stick with bad ideas for ever and ever. We like nothing more than "but they did it like that in the 19th century and we had an Empire then"
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D. Ebdrup posted:I know this is a couple pages back so I apologize if the conversation has moved on, but it's loving staggering to me that there are still gendered schools in the UK. They are mostly gone from state schools now, but it's fairly recent - 20 years ago many more existed and some, especially grammars still exist.
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There is no reason, money-wise, why everyone in the country couldn't have an education as good as the best private schools, including small classes, playing fields, a sumptuous buffet of extra-curricular activities, and enough personal attention to help everyone attain whatever they're best at and/or like doing. Anyone who tells you there is either doesn't understand money, or pretends not to (i.e. Tories). So something is obviously holding this state of affairs back, and I think the private school - conservative government axis has something to do with it.
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I imagine the people "scrimping and saving" to send their kids to private school have a different definition of the phrase to those deciding whether to have the lights on or eat this week.
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Nothingtoseehere posted:You'd have to at least double the education budget for that - state schools get around 6k per student, private schools charge between 10k-35k depending on area and poshness. Not that it's a bad thing per say, but it's pretty hard to do, even ignoring the educational benefit of " the school actually has an ability to get rid of disruptive children and very few to begin with", a bigger benefit than the budget (and the reason many of the best state schools do well) True but also state schools have been bogged down by deliberate shite pushed on them by the Tories since 2010 which has made teaching a hellscape of paperwork so they can't focus on giving kids a quality education. Also austerity ruining the general well being of children causing problems for them in school.
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Jedit posted:When I was at school the final submission date for Oxbridge was before the opening of UCAS submissions. So you were not just discouraged but actually blocked from applying if you went to school in Scotland unless you took all your Highers in S5 and were doing CSYS. Scottish cunts were expected to go to St Andrews. Funny, that's exactly what my uncle (who went to a private school in Crieff on scholarship & then St Andrews!) told my sister when she was looking at universities. He loathed it and just about everyone he met there.
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all schools are just work camps for indentured children
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Dead Goon posted:I imagine the people "scrimping and saving" to send their kids to private school have a different definition of the phrase to those deciding whether to have the lights on or eat this week. look buddy having to have one's second family holiday in France rather than the Caribbean is a real hardship alright
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forkboy84 posted:I am going to be very generous here and not just bite your head off. Which I will warn you is against my instincts so I might slip, I guess because my povvo school never instilled me with excellent values towards people of other social backgrounds.  Tesseraction posted:True but also state schools have been bogged down by deliberate shite pushed on them by the Tories since 2010 which has made teaching a hellscape of paperwork so they can't focus on giving kids a quality education. Counterpoint (and I post this with slight wariness of being dogpiled but want to air my view): I went to a private restaurant and really enjoyed my meals there.
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forkboy84 posted:Tradition is like a magic word in this country to make people stick with bad ideas for ever and ever. We like nothing more than "but they did it like that in the 19th century and we had an Empire then" s/country/species
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Also guillotine the private school liberals.
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OneSizeFitsAll posted:Respectful, good faith discussion? Very naive, I now realise. I am probably on the same page as most of you on most issues, so that probably coloured my expectations. Did you want us to discuss this in the marketplace of ideas?  But seriously, when we live in a country where class mobility has been stagnant for 5 years, where financial inequality is directly linked to educational inequality and where society's leadership roles are predominantly filled by private school graduates you are actively defending a system designed to enforce rigid class structures because you and your family personally benefit from them. Which says to me that end of the day you only give a poo poo about the disadvantaged in as far as it doesn't effect your life in any way. Rarity fucked around with this message at 16:45 on Sep 23, 2019 |
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OwlFancier posted:Also guillotine the private school liberals. Hey its perfectly ok to agree with the majority of this thread about everything but to also want poor kids to know their loving place, the despicable pond scum that they are. If they want a good education their parents should have worked a bit harder, shouldn't they?
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Anyone know anything about class sizes? I assume the poshest private schools have small classes. I seem to remember reading a thing that was presented as a "debunking" of smaller class sizes being wonderful, but it was something like reducing a class from 30 to 22 doesn't make much difference, and you have to go down to like 12-15 to see improvements. Which to me is a normal class size (coming from a tiny country) - I couldn't imagine sitting in a class of 30, let alone trying to teach one! How much more school would we need to educate everyone in the country in a class of 15?
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thespaceinvader posted:23 September is Bi Visibility Day. forkboy84 posted:Tradition is like a magic word in this country to make people stick with bad ideas for ever and ever. We like nothing more than "but they did it like that in the 19th century and we had an Empire then" Nothingtoseehere posted:They are mostly gone from state schools now, but it's fairly recent - 20 years ago many more existed and some, especially grammars still exist. Also, I must be blessed today, to have two dog avatar'd posters reply to me. Those are some adorable dogs  EDIT: I've been wanting to make this joke for some time, and now's my chance: Rarity, more like Rightity posted:Did you want us to discuss this in the marketplace of ideas? BlankSystemDaemon fucked around with this message at 16:45 on Sep 23, 2019 |
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Rarity posted:you are actively defending a system designed to enforce rigid class structures because you and your family personally benefit from them. Which says to me that end of the day you only give a poo poo about the disadvantaged in as far as it doesn't effect your life in any way. Ah, so he does vote Lib Dem!
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D. Ebdrup posted:Denmark had an empire too. Didn't do us much good in the end. That scene from Crocodile Dundee but with "You call that a knife?" replaced with "you call that an empire?  "
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If you send your kids to private school you make them a target for me to fight in both political aims and to eat once the brexit famine begins.
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Bobstar posted:Anyone know anything about class sizes? I assume the poshest private schools have small classes.
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i love the middle-upper class affectation for using their idea of the working man's terms as a way to assuage their guilt, like if they talk with enough of a fake cockney accent that'll make them one of the good ones, completely unrelated to their actual political actions, it's so in line with their probable job in marketing or PR
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forkboy84 posted:That scene from Crocodile Dundee but with "You call that a knoife?" replaced with "you call that an empire?
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The headstart you give them as you entrench systemic bias in our society only lasts until i crack their skull open and scoop out the jelly for sustenance
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The guy who claimed opposing slum lords was exactly like being a rapist also tried the "apart from this one issue I agree with most of you on most issues" gambit, you do have to wonder when it's the thing where people genuinely believe it because they haven't really thought through what left wing beliefs actually are beyond being in opposition to open right wingers who they view as uncouth and when it's the smooth brained right winger trick that all the tedious fash youtubers try where they claim to be "on the left"
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Personally I find it slightly weird that you could possibly agree with most of this thread without having a pretty marx-ish view of the world.
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OwlFancier posted:Personally I find it slightly weird that you could possibly agree with most of this thread without having a pretty marx-ish view of the world. TinTower only got run out after she did racism
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Yeah but tintower didn't agree with the thread about most things either. She was mostly single issue LGBT stuff as far as I can remember, didn't seem to give much of a poo poo about anything else, which sort of makes sense for a lib dem.
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Can't believe I remembered the Crocodile Dundee line so wrong: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xnww12a6W8o (Still the greatest scene in cinematic history, don't at me) OwlFancier posted:Yeah but tintower didn't agree with the thread about most things either. She was mostly single issue LGBT stuff as far as I can remember, didn't seem to give much of a poo poo about anything else, which sort of makes sense for a lib dem. And student politics. loving incessantly boring & irrelevant student politics poo poo.
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Continuity RCP posted:TinTower only got run out after she did racism Tintower was the coconut hating lib dem right?
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OwlFancier posted:Yeah but tintower didn't agree with the thread about most things either. She was mostly single issue LGBT stuff as far as I can remember, didn't seem to give much of a poo poo about anything else, which sort of makes sense for a lib dem. She was extremely into pointless student politics drama iirc
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Continuity RCP posted:TinTower only got run out after she did racism TingeTower.
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D. Ebdrup posted:Oh, I didn't know this! I'm one of "those people", with bi meaning my-gender and not-my-gender. I am also bisexual, and I am also of the firm understanding that that means 'attracted to people of all genders'. I'm also only visible in that respect as of today so
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thespaceinvader posted:AFAIK that's not so much a 'those people' thing as a 'original definition of the word' thing, but there's been a lot of Discourse around it recently, much of which seems to have been spawned by terfs trying to make it trans-sexist which is some bullshit. I was wondering a bit about that too, I understood bisexual to be what is apparently now pansexuality? I mean pansexual makes sense cos if I don't believe in binary gender then it seems like a better word, but I had hitherto thought pansexuality was like, being attracted to rocks or something. The terms seem to have moved while I wasn't looking.
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I remember she spent a lot of time defending faron from accusations of homophobia. To her credit, she did seem genuinely shocked when he resigned and was all "I'm a massive homophobe lol"
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forkboy84 posted:And student politics. loving incessantly boring & irrelevant student politics poo poo. ThomasPaine posted:She was extremely into pointless student politics drama iirc Ehhh, given that the other day saw the streets overrun with angry gen z cannibals I really don't get the dislike for student politics. If more people were politically active as students that would be a good thing, and politics is relative to one's environment, so it's going to heavily feature stuff that isn't relevant to the outside world. But it's good practice, I think.
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