UKMT September 2019 - A Fish-Abandoning Government

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OwlFancier: Aug 22, 2013

Half century is more correct for the UK isn't it? Discounting euro coal board or whatever it was that came before.

# ? Sep 23, 2019 21:32

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# ? May 23, 2024 05:33

CoolCab: Apr 17, 2005; glem

A Buttery Pastry posted:

The EU doesn't make it insanely punitive to leave. The punitive nature is literally just losing the upsides of membership, which will naturally be quite harsh after almost a century of economic integration and the outsourcing of your trade delegations. The actual punitive poo poo is directed at weak EU members.

perhaps we have different definitions of "makes"

# ? Sep 23, 2019 21:33

Sanitary Naptime: May 29, 2006; MIWK!

Zero Gravitas posted:

So let me get this straight

Theres already been a vote where Labour has adopted this position of this maybe leave maybe not

But now I'm also hearing that they're going to vote on a motion that any deal has to include freedom of movement

Am I the only one here that can see that situation where it is absolutely insane to support a situation where we leave the EU, but still keep freedom of movement for some nebulous undefined quid pro quo in the future?

Does no one else consider this would look like utter loving madness to your average non university educated voter?

I�m not university educated and I can understand the Labour Party brexit position and think it�s a good tactic. Also, I voted remain and probably would again.

Coohoolin posted:

Jeremy... Tzorbuin?

Lmao this got me too

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Zero Gravitas posted:

So just one last time

You have complete faith in a guy who prior to becoming leader of opposition was known for a heavily Eurosceptic stance

But whose party just maybe dodgily held a vote to sit on the fence even more

To renegotiate the deal to include all the four freedoms

And then put it to a populace of which a significant fraction of whichs piss will be boiling that we didn't leave with no deal

Seems like in your reading that remainers would all vote for it anyway because it would guarantee a remain win so I don�t see what your problem with it is?

# ? Sep 23, 2019 21:35

Spangly A: May 14, 2009; God help you if ever you're caught on these shores

A man's ambition must indeed be small
To write his name upon a shithouse wall

forkboy84 posted:

Fair warning, but with it looking increasingly likely that Labour winning a majority at the next general election isn't going to happen, I'm going back onto my poo poo. Which is to say a mix of relentless pessimist by way of a self-defence mechanism and repeating that the Parliamentary Road to Socialism doesn't exist and the only way we'll get what we want is a word that begins with r and ends with evolution.

every last lie the cowards in corporate media tell only adds to the damage done to the false consciousness they wish to cultivate the second people look at relateable rayner and jam grandad actually talking about real issues during a campaign

if you aren't drunkenly belching your preferred propaganda in the faces of flailing idiots desperate to cling on to their slum properties every time they commission another article about labours cheerfully republican antisemitic race-mixing problem, then that is because the experience of being stomped by the eternal boot is blocking your view of the bright blue sky. stay strong comrade, they bleed as we do and no longer have time or control on their side. c'est la lutte finale

# ? Sep 23, 2019 21:37

Proud Christian Mom: Dec 20, 2006; READING COMPREHENSION IS HARD

does the UK have people like the US does that spend a fortune sending their children to private school and then complain that taxes are killing them

# ? Sep 23, 2019 21:38

Sanitary Naptime: May 29, 2006; MIWK!

Proud Christian Mom posted:

does the UK have people like the US does that spend a fortune sending their children to private school and then complain that taxes are killing them

They�re called the taxpayers alliance, OP

# ? Sep 23, 2019 21:39

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Proud Christian Mom posted:

does the UK have people like the US does that spend a fortune sending their children to private school and then complain that taxes are killing them

It definitely has people who do that and then complain they should get a tax rebate for "saving the country money". See previous discussion in this thread on why this is not a thing.

# ? Sep 23, 2019 21:39

jBrereton: May 30, 2013; Grimey Drawer

Proud Christian Mom posted:

does the UK have people like the US does that spend a fortune sending their children to private school and then complain that taxes are killing them

Yes, also many of those people are american settlers here.

# ? Sep 23, 2019 21:41

OwlFancier: Aug 22, 2013

I wish the internationale didn't have a meter that's all over the loving place.

I know it's hard to write the same song in lots of different languages but it just doesn't slap half as well as the original english songs.

Also i can't sing it without sounding like billy loving bragg.

# ? Sep 23, 2019 21:42

Beefeater1980: Sep 12, 2008; My God, it's full of Horatios!

From across the pond, I quite like �which side are you on?�, but English is definitely underrepresented for stirring socialist music.

# ? Sep 23, 2019 21:48

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OwlFancier posted:

Half century is more correct for the UK isn't it? Discounting euro coal board or whatever it was that came before.

Yeah, I forgot the word "half" when I reworded five decades to half a century.

CoolCab posted:

perhaps we have different definitions of "makes"

The words punitive and makes make it seem intentional. It's like saying saying airlines make it insanely punitive to leave the plane mid flight.

feedmegin posted:

Uhhh the EU didn't originate in the 1920s. If it had history might be VERY different.

You forgot that Brexit has been going on for about 50 years.

# ? Sep 23, 2019 21:48

Dabir: Nov 10, 2012

I kinda feel like singing the Internationale alone is a bit crass, especially if you're a big-name solo singer. Chorus or get to feck.

Singing it as an event, I mean. Singing it to yourself as you stagger home from the pub or whatever is Correct.

# ? Sep 23, 2019 21:49

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haakman posted:

Lots of posts about grammar schools and private schools ITT. Thought I'd dig up my previous post on the matter - since then I have become a course leader for Psych/Sociology degrees at my local Uni and have obtained an Msc in Sociology (studying the sociology of education lmao).

The reason I slightly got my nuts out there was for the person who said private schools aren't that bad. Take the below and times a million. They are one of, if not, the greatest drivers of inequality in this country. The below doesn't really cover the absolutely gigantic distortion a privately educated elite with nepotism and so forth has on a society.

Thank you for this, it's incredibly helpful and well-written.

Could you fix the URLs or link the original post? I would like to read more. :shobon:

# ? Sep 23, 2019 21:51

OwlFancier: Aug 22, 2013

Beefeater1980 posted:

From across the pond, I quite like �which side are you on?�, but English is definitely underrepresented for stirring socialist music.

The wobbly songs are usually very good, and I also really like bread and roses in particular.

Dabir posted:

Singing it as an event, I mean. Singing it to yourself as you stagger home from the pub or whatever is Correct.

In that context the fact that the meter is all over the place is probably fine.

I like having something to sing while I'm working.

# ? Sep 23, 2019 21:52

Coohoolin: Aug 5, 2012; Oor Coohoolie.

OwlFancier posted:

I wish the internationale didn't have a meter that's all over the loving place.

I know it's hard to write the same song in lots of different languages but it just doesn't slap half as well as the original english songs.

Also i can't sing it without sounding like billy loving bragg.

Alistair Hulett does the best version

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PtAfIjRKUak

# ? Sep 23, 2019 21:55

OwlFancier: Aug 22, 2013

Coohoolin posted:

Alistair Hulett does the best version

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PtAfIjRKUak

That is a good version but if I try to sing that then it's going to kick off the next anglo/scots war.

# ? Sep 23, 2019 21:57

thespaceinvader: Mar 30, 2011; The slightest touch from a Gol-Shogeg will result in Instant Death!

Where does Boys on the Docks stand? I only know it from the Dropkick Murphys back catalogue but I think it's pretty Correct.

# ? Sep 23, 2019 21:58

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Bobstar posted:

I guess my criteria for a referendum would be a) clearly defined outcomes b) not on matters of fundamental rights and c) preferably, if there's a status quo option, the person calling the referendum is against it. Otherwise it makes no sense.

Have I got the referendum(s) for you: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015%962016_New_Zealand_flag_referendums

# ? Sep 23, 2019 22:02

Bobstar: Feb 8, 2006; KartooshFace, you are not responding efficiently!

dispatch_async posted:

Have I got the referendum(s) for you: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015%962016_New_Zealand_flag_referendums

I will take it.

Also lol at 'the consensus was that the referendum was "a bewildering process that seems to have satisfied few" '

# ? Sep 23, 2019 22:06

TwoShanks: Feb 27, 2007; Robots of the world unite

OwlFancier posted:

The wobbly songs are usually very good, and I also really like bread and roses in particular.

Utah Phillips does a great version - look for "We have fed you all for a thousand years" on Spotify. Also try Joe Glazer's various albums, I especially like the textile workers album. My 4 year old's favourite track is Solidarity Forever (especially the Pete Seeger version), she likes to sing along.

# ? Sep 23, 2019 22:09

Ratjaculation: Aug 3, 2007

I've got a job interview in 4 hours over Skype for a dream job back in NZ, but considering keeping joggers on and just wearing a smart shirt... difficult

Need to escape Boris Britain

# ? Sep 23, 2019 22:09

Coohoolin: Aug 5, 2012; Oor Coohoolie.

there's loads of great english language socialist stuff but most of it comes from the Irish tradition, or Ewan MacColl's single handed attempts at preserving ALL the folk songs. Nearly all the lefties I know use Irish republican tunes whenever we're drunk and singing something stirring.

# ? Sep 23, 2019 22:10

thespaceinvader: Mar 30, 2011; The slightest touch from a Gol-Shogeg will result in Instant Death!

Ratjaculation posted:

I've got a job interview in 4 hours over Skype for a dream job back in NZ, but considering keeping joggers on and just wearing a smart shirt... difficult

Need to escape Boris Britain

Flex hard, go completely naked from the waist down.

# ? Sep 23, 2019 22:10

feedmegin: Jul 30, 2008

A las barricadas is a bangin' choon, I also like Bella Ciao

# ? Sep 23, 2019 22:12

feedmegin: Jul 30, 2008

Coohoolin posted:

there's loads of great english language socialist stuff but most of it comes from the Irish tradition, or Ewan MacColl's single handed attempts at preserving ALL the folk songs. Nearly all the lefties I know use Irish republican tunes whenever we're drunk and singing something stirring.

Singing songs about the virtues of killing the English doesn't work quite so well south of the border, tbh

# ? Sep 23, 2019 22:13

Alan G: Dec 27, 2003

This album is pretty good and comes with a fanzine/booklet with info on the historical events their songs are about.

No General But Ludd Means The Poor Any Good by 12 Dead in Everett

https://12deadineverett.bandcamp.com/album/no-general-but-ludd-means-the-poor-any-good

# ? Sep 23, 2019 22:19

madey: Sep 17, 2007; I saved the Olympics singlehandedly

So were remain delegates made to go and guard the bee or were the differences between the membership and Corbyn exaggerated by the media?

# ? Sep 23, 2019 22:28

Spangly A: May 14, 2009; God help you if ever you're caught on these shores

A man's ambition must indeed be small
To write his name upon a shithouse wall

feedmegin posted:

A las barricadas is a bangin' choon, I also like Bella Ciao

chumbawumba's version of bella ciao is good, I'm not sold on some of the lyrics but the composition is great

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oSpqj3V0s2E

Wish me luck now, I have to leave you
with my friends now up to the City
we're going to shake the gates of hell

And I will tell them - we will tell them
that our sunlight is not for franchise
and wish the bastards drop down dead

Next time you see me I may be smiling
I'll be in prison or on the TV
and say "the sunlight dragged me here"

Spangly A fucked around with this message at 22:32 on Sep 23, 2019

# ? Sep 23, 2019 22:29

Darth Walrus: Feb 13, 2012

madey posted:

So were remain delegates made to go and guard the bee or were the differences between the membership and Corbyn exaggerated by the media?

Seats looked pretty packed to me, even before a bunch of visitors invaded the delegate area to watch Starmer's speech and had to get kicked out afterwards.

# ? Sep 23, 2019 22:32

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Julio Cruz posted:

great for them but if we're talking about "non-university educated voters" nothing that happens at any party conference has any relevance whatsoever

Is this a bit?

# ? Sep 23, 2019 22:33

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goddamnedtwisto posted:

Is this a bit?

Don't see what's wrong about that, Corbyn clearly doesn't care about what goes on at his party's own conference.

# ? Sep 23, 2019 22:36

Failed Imagineer: Sep 22, 2018

feel like you're overlooking a pretty obvious recent socialist song choice

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mPTCq3LiZSE

# ? Sep 23, 2019 22:38

Coohoolin: Aug 5, 2012; Oor Coohoolie.

feedmegin posted:

Singing songs about the virtues of killing the English doesn't work quite so well south of the border, tbh

i dunno, i reckon you could make the reasonable argument that "the English" and "the Tans" are two different entities.

# ? Sep 23, 2019 22:38

Dabir: Nov 10, 2012

Coohoolin posted:

i dunno, i reckon you could make the reasonable argument that "the English" and "the Tans" are two different entities.

"See there's the blacks, and then there's the loving n-"

# ? Sep 23, 2019 22:45

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Coohoolin posted:

i dunno, i reckon you could make the reasonable argument that "the English" and "the Tans" are two different entities.

You could, but some people not versed in the lore would take that a very different way.

# ? Sep 23, 2019 22:45

Beefeater1980: Sep 12, 2008; My God, it's full of Horatios!

feedmegin posted:

A las barricadas is a bangin' choon, I also like Bella Ciao

Bella Ciao is legit amazing, and No Pasar�n is p good as well.

# ? Sep 23, 2019 22:47

jabby: Oct 27, 2010

madey posted:

So were remain delegates made to go and guard the bee or were the differences between the membership and Corbyn exaggerated by the media?

Peston's entire 'stitch-up' argument is apparently based on a shadow cabinet member telling him that delegate selection was 'organised' to favour Corbyn.

https://twitter.com/Peston/status/1176210253207220227
It's entirely bullshit because CLPs pick their own delegates, but what the gently caress right? Not like he's wildly pushing a baseless conspiracy theory about the official opposition on a national news platform.

Also:

https://twitter.com/iainjwatson/status/1176246581764534272
God will they just gently caress off? Can't they see that the constant demand their voices be heard followed by immediate dismissal of democratic votes when they go the wrong way makes the entire remain camp look terrible?

Having said that, why didn't they just have a card vote? Seriously, don't give the fuckers an inch.

# ? Sep 23, 2019 22:48