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That sounds about right

# ? Sep 25, 2019 00:09

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# ? Jun 1, 2024 08:39

fartknocker: Oct 28, 2012; Damn it, this always happens. I think I'm gonna score, and then I never score. It's not fair.; Wedge Regret

OneMoreTime posted:

I know this won't happen, but if you exclude week 1 and just go by how many yards per game Frank Gore averaged, pretended he missed week 1 and just extrapolate this out 15 games he ends up with a 1000 yard season. He would be the oldest HB to do so, breaking the record set by a then 33 year old...Frank Gore.

John Riggins had 1,300 and 1,200 yard seasons at 34 and 35.

# ? Sep 25, 2019 00:12

kiimo: Jul 24, 2003

Can I throw some rules in

4. John Dorsey will draft and acquire incredible players for your team
5. John Dorsey will butt heads with anybody who challenges him
6. John Dorsey will assemble a team that has major flaws
7. John Dorsey will then gently caress your cap up
8. Andy Reid will never win the big one because of clock management

# ? Sep 25, 2019 00:13

Ches Neckbeard: Dec 3, 2005; You're all garbage, back up the truck BACK IT UP!

The majority of NFL coaches would've stunted Mahomes so hard he'd have been maybe Jay Cutler under them and despite his career's longevity he wasn't good. He was a good meme. On top of the footwork stuff (which yeah he can pull off) he looked wildly overconfident with poor judgement that put up huge numbers on crap defenses.

sourdough posted:

One of them completed 56% of his passes and had a 1800-16-6 final year, the other had a 66% completion percentage and went for 5000-41-10, guess which was considered more raw

So college stats are the predictor now?

Guess the QB: 3 years over 5k yards, career 155td's and 46 picks, average completion rate of 69%

Edit:
ok I'll drop at this

kiimo posted:

Okay let's just let this go but specifically we were arguing if he'd bust not that Reid didn't have a huge part in creating the monster.

# ? Sep 25, 2019 00:13

kiimo: Jul 24, 2003

I'm not going to look up stats and just wildly guess

Ryan Leaf?

# ? Sep 25, 2019 00:14

Pron on VHS: Nov 14, 2005; Blood Clots
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Let it go dude Christ, fine, Mahomes would have busted in the imaginary scenarios you have concocted

# ? Sep 25, 2019 00:15

sweet thursday: Sep 16, 2012

Let's get back to some worthwhile discussion. Where does Alex Smith rank in the top 10 all time quarterbacks ?

# ? Sep 25, 2019 00:16

fartknocker: Oct 28, 2012; Damn it, this always happens. I think I'm gonna score, and then I never score. It's not fair.; Wedge Regret

Guys! What is ~~Michael Vick~~ Patrick Mahomes was ~~white~~ Asian?!

# ? Sep 25, 2019 00:17

kiimo: Jul 24, 2003

sweet thursday posted:

Let's get back to some worthwhile discussion. Where does Alex Smith rank in the top 10 all time quarterbacks ?

I think he's #2

in QBs who have had a compound fracture playing for Washington

# ? Sep 25, 2019 00:25

Metapod: Mar 18, 2012

That's Landry Jones

# ? Sep 25, 2019 00:32

hifi: Jul 25, 2012

regular brain: mahomes is good because of andy reid

good brain: alex smith was good because of andy reid

# ? Sep 25, 2019 00:33

hifi: Jul 25, 2012

anyways, I don't think mahomes was raw coming out of college, he was a polished air raid quarterback in the vein of murray and possibly minshew, which sounds like socialism to idiots like tom coughlin.

10 OA is still a good spot to get drafted, and there was a lot of teams ahead that already had a qb, for better or worse (e.g, the jags went 10-6 and won 2 playoff games, cam, rivers). after that draft spot, do the texans take watson over mahomes? cardinals? ravens? etc.

As to busting, I think with the cardinals it's more plausible that he gets kolb'd than actually sucks like skelton. But it's still busting right? Is rosen a bust for the cardinals?

# ? Sep 25, 2019 00:44

Spoeank: Jul 16, 2003; That's a nice set of 11 dynasty points there, it would be a shame if 3 rings were to happen with it

Alex Smith is #1 for not retiring and getting paid tens of millions of Dan Snyder's dollars to rehab

# ? Sep 25, 2019 00:53

Quiet Feet: Dec 14, 2009; THE HELL IS WITH THIS ASS!?

What is Patrick Mahomes was made of barbecue ribs?

Andy? Andy no, don't! Andy noooooo!

# ? Sep 25, 2019 00:55

sweet thursday: Sep 16, 2012

Spoeank posted:

Alex Smith is #1 for not retiring and getting paid tens of millions of Dan Snyder's dollars to rehab

drat, true

# ? Sep 25, 2019 00:56

adaz: Mar 7, 2009

archives check of mahomes hot takes???

ok!

No Butt Stuff posted:

I'm not sure what to think of Mahomes. Guess we will find out in 2019

Strobe posted:

I am pretty happy with Mahomes, but I definitely think he'd still have been there closer to 20 than 10. Still, the Chiefs selling next year's 1st round pick means that they're going to be loving committed to making sure this works, so I expect Andy Reid to pull out all the stops, sit Mahomes for a year, and then unleash a magnificent funslinging machine.

Mahomes 2 Hill

Grittybeard posted:

Welp, I'm terrified. And excited, but also terrified. Here's what I said about Mahomes way back in February:

Grittybeard posted:

He's the toolsiest of tools guys, I love him as a developmental pick. He's probably going to rise up way higher than he should go and not get the chance to sit and develop though, he's going to need time. In addition to everything air raid his footwork in particular is just completely awful, and his arm is good enough that he sees no problem throwing off his back foot across his body, which isn't going to fly at the next level and frankly got him into trouble at Tech way too often.

There's a quote I can't find right now from Patrick Mahomes Sr (his dad, who is a character himself) about one of Aaron Rodgers ridiculous throws: "Holy poo poo there's only two guys on the planet that can make that throw, and I'm proud to say my son is one of those motherfuckers." He might be more right than wrong, the problem is Mahomes is willing to try that poo poo constantly with not great mechanics. The good news is most of his stuff is in theory fixable with good coaching and time to learn.

e: Put it this way, I want the Chiefs to draft him, but if they do I want Alex Smith to finish out his contract that ends after 2018.

I said I wanted to draft him but at the time I was thinking at the Chiefs original pick as a complete overdraft or in the 2nd round. Not Trading 2 firsts and a third to move up for him.

Under no circumstances do I want to see him on the field this year outside of preseason. Even if Alex goes down I want Tyler Bray or whoever the hell to finish out the year. He has so many things to fix. On the bright side I do think KC is the perfect situation to perhaps turn him into an NFL quarterback, and his ceiling in theory is ridiculous.

One way or another poo poo is going to change, because Patrick Mahomes is different from Alex Smith in just about every way other than the fact that they can both move a little bit. But hell even that's different, Alex moves to get the gently caress out and run, Mahomes moves to buy time to throw the ball downfield. It'll be a new world whenever he gets his chance, which hopefully won't be particularly soon.

grittybeard posted:

Sab0921 posted:

Someone please tell me how to feel about the Texans trading two firsts and a second for DeShaun Watson.

E: I guess Nuk Hopkins and JJ Watt thought this was cool, so good I guess?

Worried, but less worried than KC fans? Watson also probably won't be all that good, but his floor is higher than Mahomes.

We should both get used to these comparisons, because we'll be making them a lot over the next few years.

strobe posted:

I think Mahomes definitely has a lower floor, and with anybody but noted QB coach Andy Reid I'd be livid and/or worried sick. But I think Mahomes also has a ceiling best measured in miles and could be a goddamn riot to watch in a couple years, and will take it.

sab0921 posted:

It just feels like such a Browns-ian move. I get that the team is a QB away from being really loving good right now, but that moment is fleeting and we just mortgaged our future -- on the flip side, if Watson really is a top flight NFL QB, the rest of the team being terrible in 3 years is ok.

I watched a ton of Mahomes since he was in the Big XII, and if he gets the Rodgers treatment where he gets to sit behind Smith for a few years to learn how to play in the NFL, he will be great. He will flame out spectacularly if asked to play next year.

the puppy bowl posted:

Oh yeah, Mahomes is the first 1st round QB for the Chiefs in a generation. Well, Brett Farve or Case Keenum it's going to be fun to watch.

jizz denounment posted:

Strobe posted:

I think Mahomes definitely has a lower floor, and with anybody but noted QB coach Andy Reid I'd be livid and/or worried sick. But I think Mahomes also has a ceiling best measured in miles and could be a goddamn riot to watch in a couple years, and will take it.

Agreed. Any other spot and it would be terrible, but Reid is drat good at what he does.

SHOAH NUFF posted:

What's everyones favorite pick from last night, mine is Chiefs taking Mahomes

https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3818639&userid=0&perpage=40&pagenumber=34

Jiminy Christmas! Shoes! posted:

lol you are dumb kansas

Schwack posted:

Mahomes looks like a complete goober. Nobody should take that dude

Tom Sellout posted:

AHHHH FUUUUCK YEEEAAAHHHH MAHOMES IN A REID SYSTEM

Dr_Strangelove posted:

AH gently caress THAT

I WANTED WATSON

kiimo posted:

I'M SO loving HAPPY

Basically everyone liked it?

Everyone hated trubisky.

TFF.... good.. opinions???

e: lol

sean10mm posted:

Serious pick or comedy pick?

Serious pick is the Browns just doing the obvious correct thing and taking Garrett.
Comedy pick is the super turbo hellbad trade-up for Trubisky. He's Mark Sanchez 2.0 from a weaker program with even less games played, going to a team with awful weapons and offensive coaches that are just poo poo.

adaz fucked around with this message at 01:07 on Sep 25, 2019

# ? Sep 25, 2019 01:00

sean10mm: Jun 29, 2005; It's a Mad, Mad, Mad, MAD-2R World

Huh, waddaya know. :v:

# ? Sep 25, 2019 01:11

Kalli: Jun 2, 2001

drat, someone willing to put in even in the minimalist of effort, an argument's one weakness.

# ? Sep 25, 2019 01:15

Amy Pole Her: Jun 17, 2002

Che gonna come back EXTRA sarcastic

# ? Sep 25, 2019 01:19

The Puppy Bowl: Jan 31, 2013; A dog, in the house.

*woof*

Terrible take. Sanchez was way better than Trubisky. He's Kyle Boller 2.0.

# ? Sep 25, 2019 01:19

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Amy Pole Her posted:

Che gonna come back EXTRA sarcastic

Ches Neckbeard posted:

Mahomes was raw coming out and I'd love someone with archives to look at that draft thread. He wasn't a plug and play stud like yall are really working to make him out to have been

I know I said I�d let it go but I�m too petty not to take a victory lap on this guy

# ? Sep 25, 2019 01:26

ParliamentOfDogs: Jan 29, 2009; My genre's thriller... What's yours?

I dunno I think it�s kinda lovely to say an amazing young dude lighting the world on fire owes all his success to someone else and none of it to his own skill and hard work.

# ? Sep 25, 2019 01:34

kiimo: Jul 24, 2003

I mean, fans have been having the Brady / Bill conversation for over a decade it's just one of those things. I mean we know they're inexorably linked but somehow we manage to say so many words about the symbiotic relationship between good coach and good QB

Probably because the alchemy is elusive

# ? Sep 25, 2019 01:38

Vertical Lime: Dec 11, 2004

https://twitter.com/adamschefter/status/1176659040245551104?s=21

# ? Sep 25, 2019 01:47

syzpid: Aug 9, 2014

Vertical Lime posted:

https://twitter.com/adamschefter/status/1176659040245551104?s=21

please trade away another 1st rounder.

# ? Sep 25, 2019 01:51

LiquidFriend: Apr 5, 2005

sweet thursday posted:

Let's get back to some worthwhile discussion. Where does Alex Smith rank in the top 10 all time quarterbacks ?

#1 checkdown machine

Also, this mult page thing about something that's irrelevant over Pat Mahomes has certainly been something.

# ? Sep 25, 2019 01:51

adaz: Mar 7, 2009

never too late to dunk on da bears

# ? Sep 25, 2019 02:04

EmbryoSteve: Dec 18, 2004; Taste~The~Rainbow

My blood sugar is gon' be like

~^^^^*WHOA*^^^^~

Nick vannet is truly not bad. I hope they got a 3rd or 4th for him

# ? Sep 25, 2019 02:13

wandler20: Nov 13, 2002; How many Championships?

EmbryoSteve posted:

Nick vannet is truly not bad. I hope they got a 3rd or 4th for him

A 5th.

# ? Sep 25, 2019 02:15

Ches Neckbeard: Dec 3, 2005; You're all garbage, back up the truck BACK IT UP!

This reads like ringing endorsements for a guy that'll hit no matter the coach? Nobody in that whole thing said he was even plug and play.

Well, Brett Farve or Case Keenum it's going to be fun to watch.

Worried, but less worried than KC fans? Watson also probably won't be all that good, but his floor is higher than Mahomes

I'm not sure what to think of Mahomes. Guess we will find out in 2019

He's the toolsiest of tools guys, I love him as a developmental pick

I think Mahomes definitely has a lower floor, and with anybody but noted QB coach Andy Reid I'd be livid and/or worried sick

I think Mahomes definitely has a lower floor, and with anybody but noted QB coach Andy Reid I'd be livid and/or worried sick. But I think Mahomes also has a ceiling best measured in miles and could be a goddamn riot to watch in a couple years, and will take it.

Agreed. Any other spot and it would be terrible, but Reid is drat good at what he does.

lol you are dumb kansas

AHHHH FUUUUCK YEEEAAAHHHH MAHOMES IN A REID SYSTEM

# ? Sep 25, 2019 02:19

Miss Lonelyhearts: Mar 22, 2003

EmbryoSteve posted:

Nick vannet is truly not bad. I hope they got a 3rd or 4th for him

What do you like about him?

# ? Sep 25, 2019 02:26

Hot Diggity!: Apr 3, 2010; SKELITON_BRINGING_U_ON.GIF

adaz posted:

never too late to dunk on da bears

Lmao

# ? Sep 25, 2019 02:51

Hot Diggity!: Apr 3, 2010; SKELITON_BRINGING_U_ON.GIF

Cool uniforms but bears don't have stripes seems weird

https://twitter.com/CEmma670/status/1176621966838484992?s=19

# ? Sep 25, 2019 02:55

SKULL.GIF: Jan 20, 2017

The rest of it looks great. The shoulder things? Not so much

# ? Sep 25, 2019 02:56

Truther Vandross: Jun 17, 2008

The pick for Vannett was the Jags 5th. So basically the Steelers traded Dobbs for Vannett.

# ? Sep 25, 2019 03:04

Diva Cupcake: Aug 15, 2005

0-3 team trades mid-rounder for 4 year veteran with 67 career targets.

# ? Sep 25, 2019 03:07

Kalli: Jun 2, 2001

Hot Diggity! posted:

Cool uniforms but bears don't have stripes seems weird

https://twitter.com/CEmma670/status/1176621966838484992?s=19

Oh no! Someone got some Bengals in my Bears

# ? Sep 25, 2019 03:08

EmbryoSteve: Dec 18, 2004; Taste~The~Rainbow

My blood sugar is gon' be like

~^^^^*WHOA*^^^^~

Miss Lonelyhearts posted:

What do you like about him?

Generally a sound blocker. Not a bad receiver but can catch. Not going to wow anyone but generally won't be loving up either. Soundly not bad. 5th seems right for him. No world beater but you wont be cursing his name.either

I guess I like how mediocre he is. 5th is just right for him

# ? Sep 25, 2019 03:08

Truther Vandross: Jun 17, 2008

Diva Cupcake posted:

0-3 team trades mid-rounder for 4 year veteran with 67 career targets.

Compared to Zach Gentry and Xavier Grimble, Vannett is basically Tony Gonzalez.

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