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It's worth reading the article Bloomberg did about Shokin and Biden. They speak to Shokin's former deputy prosecutor who says Shokin was actually doing the opposite of what Trump is mad about.quote:Shokin became prosecutor general in February 2015. Over the next year, the U.S. and the International Monetary Fund criticized officials for not doing enough to fight corruption in Ukraine.
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Wow, this impeachment is going to be easy.
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evilweasel posted:eh i think the senate is gonna ride this out and see how much bad poo poo/worse it gets. my guess is if its bad enough, they will try to push trump to resign for pence or some poo poo.
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So this is kinda like if Nixon just gave up his tapes voluntarily, convinced that they would exonerate him? Donald J Trump is the stupidest man alive, lmao
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This is so dumb
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Imagine being a Ukrainian and knowing the only thing between you and violent subjugation by the Russians is how well your leaders can kiss Trump's rear end
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Barry Foster posted:So this is kinda like if Nixon just gave up his tapes voluntarily, convinced that they would exonerate him? I honestly cannot tell if he is trying to bluff his way out of this or if he actually thinks that he didn't do anything wrong.
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Barry Foster posted:So this is kinda like if Nixon just gave up his tapes voluntarily, convinced that they would exonerate him? its kinda more blatant than the nixon tapes.
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hobbez posted:The echo chamber in here is incredible. Just a little diversity of opinion. I can be convinced I’m incorrect This "transcript" was edited down. The reporting on this is that Trump asked Ukraine to investigate Joe Biden eight times. He more than likely was very explicit on a quid pro-quo the other 7 times, they edited it down to just this as their least-bad option, and its still loving terrible. The white house doesn't want the whistleblower to testify to congress because they will likely tell congress about the other 7 times.
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CuddleCryptid posted:I honestly cannot tell if he is trying to bluff his way out of this or if he actually thinks that he didn't do anything wrong. i think its the latter. he legit believes he can do no wrong.
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This is just from one call. There were multiple calls. Trump even met with the Ukrainian President last night in person. This doesn't even include the whistleblower info yet. I think this might actually be bad for Trump. Actual consequences are yet to be determined, though.
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:Wow, So if this is what they were willing to release what are they hiding? yeah seriously, this is what they tried to release to block the need to release the whistleblower report
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Flip Yr Wig posted:This probably doesn't motivate the disaffected voters who the Democrats need to mobilize with economic populism, but it also likely has a marginal impact on medium information suburbanites who aren't in the Fox hole. yeah man. thats why im worried that the MSM is pushing biden and pushing warren as the compromise candidate. this wont get people out to vote because everyone is sick of the neo liberalism that has captured both parties. Warren is goiing to pull an obama. She is going to talk a mean game about hope and change (progressive policy) but if she gets into office its going to be moderate republican governance.
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Dapper_Swindler posted:its kinda more blatant than the nixon tapes. As mentioned before, this is the final exam for Fox News. If Trump avoids impeachment with this poo poo, it accomplished its job of making sure a GOP president never gets impeached again.
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Dapper_Swindler posted:its kinda more blatant than the nixon tapes. Hahaha, well that's really saying something.
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FlamingLiberal posted:Dems need to drag Rudy’s old rear end in front of this committee ASAP I shot JFK. 9/11? I let it happen. The Lindbergh baby? That was me. I faked my own death. Jacob Wohl paid me $5 to whack Seth Rich. So what? Those aren't crimes, and anyway there's no evidence. Except these documents here, take a look they completely exonerate me, and I have copies if you're unsure.
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"Sources have released the talking points" Well that's just silly, why would they do that "The White House sent their talking points directly to the Dems" LMAO. WHAT IS EVEN HAPPENING
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CuddleCryptid posted:I honestly cannot tell if he is trying to bluff his way out of this or if he actually thinks that he didn't do anything wrong. It's both. It's always both.
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Dapper_Swindler posted:i think the senate is gonna ride this out and see how much bad poo poo/worse it gets. my guess is if its bad enough, they will try to push trump to resign for pence or some poo poo. i think the first part is right. anyone outside a deep red state gains nothing by opening their mouth now. they can just wait and see what happens. if it peters out they can come out in support of dear leader, if it gets worse they can calibrate their statements to the precise level of "well i don't approve of that but i think we should just let the voters decide" nonsense i see basically no world in which they can push trump to resign even though i bet there are 67 people in the senate who, if they could cast anonymous votes, would have him tossed in a second
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Barry Foster posted:Hahaha, well that's really saying something. it kinda is. the big smoking guns were nixon semi vaguely talking about how they should pay off the burglers and stuff.
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hobbez posted:Uhhhh is not a counter argument That's because you didn't make an actual argument. You made a patently and obviously objectively absurd assertion which is worthy of nothing more than mockery.
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Pollyanna posted:As mentioned before, this is the final exam for Fox News. If Trump avoids impeachment with this poo poo, it accomplished its job of making sure a GOP president never gets impeached again. Oh the way things are going there’s no chance in hell he avoids impeachment the question is he if avoids conviction. He will if his support among the public can remain stable at his 40% level which will be Fox’s job to maintain.
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https://twitter.com/joshtpm/status/1176887364347711488 well that's new the DNI is leaking that he didn't do it, please don't throw him in jail - throw Bill Barr in jail instead
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Dapper_Swindler posted:it kinda is. the big smoking guns were nixon semi vaguely talking about how they should pay off the burglers and stuff. I thought with the Nixon tapes it was less about the crime discussions and more about how it made clear, for the first time to a lot of Americans, that the president and his inner circle were all colossal assholes.
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Barry Foster posted:So this is kinda like if Nixon just gave up his tapes voluntarily, convinced that they would exonerate him? Nixon released doctored transcripts too. (I believe they inserted Nixon saying "but that would be a crime" or something else to limit his culpability) The whistleblower's testimony is likely to contain even more damning poo poo.
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also re: the bill barr coverup https://twitter.com/brhodes/status/1176887571428909056
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Mahoning posted:Nixon released doctored transcripts too. (I believe they inserted Nixon saying "but that would be a crime" or something else to limit his culpability) i have never heard of the doctoring, besides the famous 18.5 minutes that was erased which, presumably, had even more brazen criming than the rest
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evilweasel posted:i think the first part is right. anyone outside a deep red state gains nothing by opening their mouth now. they can just wait and see what happens. if it peters out they can come out in support of dear leader, if it gets worse they can calibrate their statements to the precise level of "well i don't approve of that but i think we should just let the voters decide" nonsense yeah, i doubt they will convict ever. at best, it will be alot closer than they would hope. i think if its very bad, some will try to push trump to resign at least behind closed doors. i don't think it will fizzle out at least for right now.
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evilweasel posted:also re: the bill barr coverup is there a way to make this poo poo public. i mean can't the whistleblower just go full snowden/manning?
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evilweasel posted:yeah seriously, this is what they tried to release to block the need to release the whistleblower report Like showing a disembodied leg to mollify the cops demanding to search your basement.
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Barry Foster posted:So this is kinda like if Nixon just gave up his tapes voluntarily, convinced that they would exonerate him? Nixon tried to have his tapes transcribed for public release by a guy who had terrible hearing. This would be Nixon releasing the tape himself claiming it cleared him.
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Dapper_Swindler posted:is there a way to make this poo poo public. i mean can't the whistleblower just go full snowden/manning? the law specifically allows the whistleblower to contact congress, and they have done so the report's coming out one way or another at this point, which is why the white house is going to try the hail mary of a "redacted" version
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Dapper_Swindler posted:is there a way to make this poo poo public. i mean can't the whistleblower just go full snowden/manning? They do so at great peril to their safety and livelihood but I think today's events gives them a lot of cover to do so.
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this is literally the agenda, just have Fox/the republicans (tautology I know) say 'well ok sure he went right from 'you need this poo poo I have' to 'I need a favor' but he didn't directly say 'I AM DOING A QUID PRO QUO NOW' so who's to say?' It's not gonna work.
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Dapper_Swindler posted:is there a way to make this poo poo public. i mean can't the whistleblower just go full snowden/manning? Don’t they want to testify and everything? I’m sure there’s a process for that, and I can understand why anything personal would be secret right now
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