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I just remembered in his rookie season Mitch's teammates tried to make "Pretty Boy Assassin" a thing
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So, I didn't pay attention during free agency season at all, but I hadn't heard of either Preston Smith or Za'Darius Smith before the Packers signed them, so I figured they were maybe mid-tier guys who we paid a premium for because they have a little pass-rushing juice and we had to replace Clay Matthews and Nick Perry. I had heard of Adrian Amos before and thought he was an above-average safety, so I was most excited about him. All three, but especially the Smiths, are playing at an amazing level. The Smiths are #3 and #4 overall in OLB rankings according to Pro Football Focus (according to Rotoworld). Like... were they this good on their previous teams? Did people think these were great signings? Are we paying them at a level equivalent to their performance? I feel very behind/surprised by all this.
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surf rock posted:So, I didn't pay attention during free agency season at all, but I hadn't heard of either Preston Smith or Za'Darius Smith before the Packers signed them, so I figured they were maybe mid-tier guys who we paid a premium for because they have a little pass-rushing juice and we had to replace Clay Matthews and Nick Perry. I had heard of Adrian Amos before and thought he was an above-average safety, so I was most excited about him. Basically what happened is Gutekunst gave them contracts appropriate to if they performed, with early outs if they didn't perform. They performed. Preston was very solid for years on the Skins, just didn't get much attention because Washington is a bad team and an even worse franchise. Za'Darius apparently the Packers badly wanted to draft him and had had their eyes on him ever since Baltimore drafted him instead. Another big part of it is that the Smiths are bringing a great culture change to the locker room, which is elevating all the other players, and with Pettine coaching everything came together to be greater than the parts were individually. I think we also have to give a ton of credit to the Packers scouting here between the draft hits of the past couple years and the FA signings.
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Savage has been great too and Gary has come up big often when they blitz. The draft and free agent signings have been great. I'm excited to see if Burks looks good when he comes back.
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Hmm https://twitter.com/RyanHeckmanFS/status/1176581263781707781?s=19
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Sep 25, 2019 16:12
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Leon Einstein posted:Packers need him. Too expensive.
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SKULL.GIF posted:Too expensive.
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ghosthorse posted:does pfr track drops/ints against receiver target? all I can find is that in 2018 Treadwell went 35/53 receptions/targets so I'm not sure if they were all 100% his fault. I assume they were though. probably 80% of those uncaught balls were his fault. it's really hard to emphasize enough how awful he is at just about everything Before the season started I noted that behind the top two guys the Vikings were extremely thin at receiver and what do you know, now they're bringing back proven failures like Treadwell SKULL.GIF posted:Basically what happened is Gutekunst gave them contracts appropriate to if they performed, with early outs if they didn't perform. They performed. I'd like to call back to an argument I had during the offseason here where I told people that the defense had a chance to be really nice, between the FA pickups and the draft they had put a lot of assets there. Some people (beaten down from years of inadequate defensive play from the Packers) didn't want to believe it but yeah, so far the returns are almost startling. It's unlikely to continue quite at this pace, but it's clear the defense is tremendously improved from where it was last year. I hope this happens, I foolishly picked him over guys like Amari Cooper and Keenan Allen in fantasy and I would love to see him catching passes from someone other than Kirk. Seems like the Vikings are unlikely to be keen on it though, given their situation
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Diggs getting no looks has been a problem for at least 2 seasons and Cousins is not gonna suddenly change. But they would have to trade him 1-1 for another good receiver if they don't want to tank this season so I don't know how requesting a trade will actually go for him. Poorly?
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the diggs trade rumors happen every season, ill believe it when it's more concrete
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The Diggs thing is media speculation based on other media speculation. It started on KFAN with a DJ wondering outloud who the Vikings would trade for Ramsey. None of this originating from Diggs or the Vikings, it's just an echo chamber whispering to itself.
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mastershakeman posted:So what's the verdict on Mitch tonight, I missed his first half and really only saw him miss some throws left and then the bad int right He sucks. He missed a bunch of easy throws in the game and that pick near the end zone was horrific. Most of his passes were real short, safe stuff. And the 2 TDs were from the 1. He made one sort of good throw all night. The fact that local media is playing up the guy for throwing 231 yards against one of the worst defenses in the league is terrible. As long as the Bears keep pretending that Mitch is a franchise QB, their ceiling is limited to an early playoff loss.
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To be fair I would say their only option would be to pretend for right now. Good QBs on tolerable contracts don't hit the trade market for reasonable prices Tell Nagy to make it idiot proof, and then don't pick up Mitch's 5th year option. He comes in his 4th year with competition and in a contract year. If he wins and does well then you deal with whatever consequences may come with that lost last year of cost control. If he sucks you let him walk and try and find a QB again. Just don't put long term money into him
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Niwrad posted:As long as the Bears keep pretending that Mitch is a franchise QB, their ceiling is limited to an early playoff loss. PLAYOFFS?! You're talking about PLAYOFFS?!
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Like mitch isn't goig to blunder his way into a mediocre season that last year and get $100 million to suck forever.
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Bears roster has very little cost controlled, cheap, home developed talent due to loss of picks from Trubisky & Mack. If they have to hit reset it might make Miami's tanking look good. I'm not even sure if - in some miracle universe - Trubisky got good how much they could compete in years 5 & 6 of him. e: https://overthecap.com/salary-cap/chicago-bears/ Not as bad as I thought, 138 in 2021 isn't terrible but if they have to add a long term signing of Trubisky that number is pretty bad. Consider packers are roughly the same in 2021 and are paying Rodgers 33 mil a year. Just a lot of money already allocated and will need more for QB + likely FAs without much homegrown talent adaz fucked around with this message at 20:44 on Sep 25, 2019 |
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Trubisky is not as bad as Tebow, he's got that going for him. Unfortunately, he needs an entire offensive gameplan built around him it seems. Tons of screens, short passes, throw in a healthy dose of wildcat. Make the defense stack the box so much when he does throw downfield it's hopefully wide open.
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adaz posted:Bears roster has very little cost controlled, cheap, home developed talent due to loss of picks from Trubisky & Mack. It's definitely a predicament for the Bears. As others have said, you can tell the precise moment when Nagy abandons his gameplan because he doesn't trust Trubisky to not suck, and he's pretty clearly getting tired of having to mask his deficiencies. But at the same time, with the ludicrous trade that the team made to "get" Trubisky (lol he was going to fall to them and everyone knew it), Pace has a ton of political capital invested in him. If Trubisky washes out, then I have to think Pace is going to be on an absurdly short leash.
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R.D. Mangles posted:what if mitch got a cool nickname like "mongoose mitch" maybe then he'd be really good Please do not associate the noble mongoose with garbage QB Mitch Trubisky
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Sep 25, 2019 21:15
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anything coming from kfan is just media speculation because they aren't capable of actual radio discussion/breakdown
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IcePhoenix posted:anything coming from kfan is just media speculation because they aren't capable of actual radio discussion/breakdown Are you implying the adult man who goes by Meatsauce isn't a reputable journalistic source?
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The only decent person on KFAN is Dan Cole because the man perfected trolling before people even realized it was a thing.
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blackmongoose posted:Please do not associate the noble mongoose with garbage QB Mitch Trubisky I'm just spitballin here.
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Timby posted:It's definitely a predicament for the Bears. As others have said, you can tell the precise moment when Nagy abandons his gameplan because he doesn't trust Trubisky to not suck, and he's pretty clearly getting tired of having to mask his deficiencies. But at the same time, with the ludicrous trade that the team made to "get" Trubisky (lol he was going to fall to them and everyone knew it), Pace has a ton of political capital invested in him. If Trubisky washes out, then I have to think Pace is going to be on an absurdly short leash. Pace probably saves himself if he doesn't invest long term in Trubs admits a mistake and gets one more swing at QB. Next year and the year after either in the draft or Free agency.
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I think the other problem is that looking at how guys like fitz and keenum are doing bouncing around the league coaches are probably happier to invest more time into one lovely qb instead of rotating through several. That said, if Luck came back after a year off (not that I think he will) I wouldn't be surprised if someone in the Bear's situation gave him a shot.
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Timby posted:It's definitely a predicament for the Bears. As others have said, you can tell the precise moment when Nagy abandons his gameplan because he doesn't trust Trubisky to not suck, and he's pretty clearly getting tired of having to mask his deficiencies. But at the same time, with the ludicrous trade that the team made to "get" Trubisky (lol he was going to fall to them and everyone knew it), Pace has a ton of political capital invested in him. If Trubisky washes out, then I have to think Pace is going to be on an absurdly short leash. smh that trade. I mean all is forgiven if they go deep into the playoffs despite mediocre QB play after the previous lost decade of the Bears but he definitely went all in this year & next. I do think there's the distinct possibility we'll be looking at Jacksonville 2.0 (except without gardner minshew) here in a few years. Really good defense starts to tail off and a QB that just sucks. RIP team
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It's ok everyone, cam is gonna get cut by the Panthers and come be super healthy for the bears just like the manning/broncos run except with more success
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I feel like Cam’s days of being a rushing threat are at their end.
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i forgot to post about this, which is important because i truly hate the lions, but in the 4th quarter of that lions eagles game on the eagles side of the field the lions went run-run-pass on literally every single drive. i wonder why kerryon johnson is seeing the most 8 man fronts in the entire nfl. nobody could ever know.
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https://twitter.com/RapSheet/status/1176992517222539264 lol good luck to the rest of you idiots
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rabidsquid posted:i forgot to post about this, which is important because i truly hate the lions, but in the 4th quarter of that lions eagles game on the eagles side of the field the lions went run-run-pass on literally every single drive. Is play actionr eally that hard for teams to figure out orrrr
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adaz posted:https://overthecap.com/salary-cap/chicago-bears/ Even if Mitch rebounds and produces at a "fine" level, I think the Bears are in a position where they could try to roll the dice on another young cheap QB to make it easier to retain talent elsewhere. Nagy is supposedly a good offensive coach, rookies are stepping in and producing at acceptable levels more and more frequently these days, paying Mitch would be back-breaking if he doesn't take a huge step forward. If you can find a day two prospect you like (or even trade up into the first!) then I'd take the shot next year and groom him with the assumption he'll take over for Trubs, possibly sooner rather than later
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R.D. Mangles posted:I'm just spitballin here. What about the Titmouse?
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Dexo posted:To be fair I would say their only option would be to pretend for right now. They don't need a good QB. Even someone as lovely as Case Keenum would be a big upgrade. Picking up the 5th year would be terrible but I also think going into the 4th year as the anointed starter would be dumb too. They have to either pick someone up in free agency to compete or draft someone they like. Finding someone better than Mitch shouldn't be hard. Gardner Minshew was a 6th round pick and already looks way ahead of where Mitch is as a QB. Daniel Jones looked good. Heck, the Panthers threw in some guy who I had never heard of that looked better than Mitch has ever looked. I guess I'm down on Mitch because I don't think it's a development issue. He's just not an accurate thrower. And I don't think that magically fixes itself. You either can make the throws or you can't.
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nirwad is right, it's time to bring Clayton Thorson home
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Mitch "carpenter square" trubiski Dorky. Accurate if used correctly Always goes right (angle)
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