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I feel like the CRIME is going to be even weirder than we think
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# ? Sep 26, 2019 02:47 |
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# ? Jun 5, 2024 16:02 |
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https://twitter.com/ProBirdRights/status/1177036893860417536
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# ? Sep 26, 2019 02:48 |
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Zwabu posted:Sorry trying to keep up in a flood of posts - is it verified there is or was a recording of the Ukraine phone call? I've read one or two news items suggesting these calls are no longer recorded and we only have transcripts and notes from other listeners. Not sure about that but the whistleblower complaint apparently indicates that the call to Ukraine has handled and recorded (whatever that means) in a way that drastically deviated from the norm whatever the norm is.
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# ? Sep 26, 2019 02:49 |
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I believe it.
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# ? Sep 26, 2019 02:49 |
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unwantedplatypus posted:I feel like the CRIME is going to be even weirder than we think if its what you say I love it, especially later in summer
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# ? Sep 26, 2019 02:53 |
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All ive got to add that this poo poo is so crazy that it actually broke my ban on cable news watching, because f5ing this thread just aint enough to keep me sated. Cant wait till the 9am hearing tomorrow.
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# ? Sep 26, 2019 02:53 |
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Otteration posted:Thanks to Barr, the Mueller report was much squashed from the public consciousness. It would be nice to see an official impeachment-soepeona dredging into even just that. I only care about what "many idiots" believe in this instance because we need a lot of republicans to vote to remove for this to actually get him out of office and they're not going to do that unless public opinion of their base supports that action. I still think this is a win for us even if he isn't removed due to how bad this recent poo poo is.
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# ? Sep 26, 2019 02:53 |
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Zwabu posted:Sorry trying to keep up in a flood of posts - is it verified there is or was a recording of the Ukraine phone call? I've read one or two news items suggesting these calls are no longer recorded and we only have transcripts and notes from other listeners. The transcript released by the White House was pretty loving bad anyway: https://www.whitehouse.gov/wp-content/uploads/2019/09/Unclassified09.2019.pdf
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# ? Sep 26, 2019 02:55 |
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Farchanter posted:The argument from Democratic leadership was that the surest way to remove Trump from office was to beat him in a fair election— that impeachment will fire up Trump's base like nothing else. Yeah, the bottom line may be as simple as enough Representatives from purple districts were hesitant to pursue impeachment for fear of getting voted out until the recent news changed their conscious or the conscious of their electorate. As the pro-impeachment statements started coming in, quite a few of them quoted yelling from their districts, IIRC.
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# ? Sep 26, 2019 02:56 |
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FZeroRacer posted:Here's my best guess: My wild comedy-slash-hell-nightmare theory is that, after the call we know of, or a similar one, Trump then placed a call or contact of some sort to Putin or other government officials of the Russian Federation, stating that he was putting some pressure on Ukraine to help him with domestic politics, and if Zelensky doesn't play ball... well, the US will indeed stop military aid, and pledges not to intervene if something "happens" between Russia and Ukraine (or, given how dumb he is, just outright says "if you invade"). That'd be it - a President of the Party of Reagan, contacting the successor state to our longest-term antagonist, agreeing to sell one of the states the collapse of the Soviet Union created up the river if said smaller state didn't give Trump what he wanted. There would be no possible defense. Only the hardest core white supremacist fascists would still support him. The cognitive dissonance simply wouldn't hold up for most other folks. His whole administration would become poison. And he'd come out and say he did it right after the intelligence officer testified to the House. Granted, a significant part of me doesn't want this scenario to be true, because the wider geopolitical implications and ramifications would be terrifying. But my gut tells me it's this, or something of similar scope - something so damning concerning his international contacts that no amount of spin or justification can align it with what the party claims to be, both since Reagan and since Trump took office.
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# ? Sep 26, 2019 02:58 |
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A guest on Chris Hayes' show (harvard law prof, can't remember his name) made a pretty succinct point that I think should be pushed further- Regardless of the no quid pro quo argument the CHUDS keep using, the attempt itself undermines our right to self govern. Framing it that way and stating it outright is pretty powerful I think. Btw, have any MSM outlets said anything about the IRS whistleblower? I haven't seen anything about it on CNN or MSNBC
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# ? Sep 26, 2019 03:00 |
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Meanwhile, in The Cruelty Is The PointTM: https://twitter.com/MollyJongFast/status/1176809557970116611
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# ? Sep 26, 2019 03:00 |
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I wonder what the final straw was for whatever toadie blew the whistle. Imagine if Comey or Mueller had a quarter of the stones. Nah. gently caress that. Comey and Mueller are complicit.
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# ? Sep 26, 2019 03:03 |
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:The silence from Republicans who’ve seen the report is deafening. I can’t be the only one to notice right? Right after this story dropped someone said to give it three days for the Republicans to get their ducks in a row. I'm giving it until Friday for them to come out with a unified deflection of some sort. If we don't have anything by Monday then that will be really telling.
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# ? Sep 26, 2019 03:05 |
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Doctor Butts posted:I wonder what the final straw was for whatever toadie blew the whistle. I think it's appropriate that Trump gets done-in by an intel officer after that awful speech he gave on his second day in office at CIA headquarters (cue Greenwald breathlessly jumping in and getting mad about the IC)
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# ? Sep 26, 2019 03:06 |
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ewiley posted:I think it's appropriate that Trump gets done-in by an intel officer after that awful speech he gave on his second day in office at CIA headquarters (cue Greenwald breathlessly jumping in and getting mad about the IC) Now that you mention it GG has been amazingly silent today.
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# ? Sep 26, 2019 03:09 |
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RandomBlue posted:I only care about what "many idiots" believe in this instance because we need a lot of republicans to vote to remove for this to actually get him out of office and they're not going to do that unless public opinion of their base supports that action. I think we should go into this impeachment realizing for now that the Senate Republicans are not going to vote to convict. Might as well dig up some poo poo in the mean time that can improve our country in the future and maybe hope the bad guys might turn in the end for the bonus. I hope the orange poo poo smear survives the whole thing, with gobs of convictions attached to his name, and lives for some extra NY points too. Rikers is lovely this time of year, I hear.
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# ? Sep 26, 2019 03:09 |
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# ? Sep 26, 2019 03:09 |
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Rex-Goliath posted:Right after this story dropped someone said to give it three days for the Republicans to get their ducks in a row. I'm giving it until Friday for them to come out with a unified deflection of some sort. If we don't have anything by Monday then that will be really telling. yeah. i think the issue is its very simple and open case of corruption and crimes and its tied directly to him plus a bunch of other poo poo. its basicaly the war equvilant of open bayonet charge across a flat part of no mans land with dozens of machine guns on the other side. i think they might gently caress him.
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# ? Sep 26, 2019 03:10 |
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Otteration posted:I think we should go into this impeachment realizing for now that the Senate Republicans are not going to vote to convict. Might as well dig up some poo poo in the mean time that can improve our country in the future and maybe hope the bad guys might turn in the end for the bonus. Yeah, I'm expecting him not to be removed but I've got a little hope. I think this hurts his 2020 chances regardless.
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# ? Sep 26, 2019 03:12 |
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RandomBlue posted:Yeah, I'm expecting him not to be removed but I've got a little hope. I think this hurts his 2020 chances regardless. I'm hoping for stroking out on the toilet with his last tweet being PRESIDENTIAL HARASSMENT, but you do you.
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# ? Sep 26, 2019 03:14 |
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Ew, the skin mask is slipping.
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# ? Sep 26, 2019 03:15 |
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https://twitter.com/ShibleyTelhami/status/1177038912751120384
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# ? Sep 26, 2019 03:15 |
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Wistful of Dollars posted:Now that you mention it GG has been amazingly silent today. The dude hates democrats more than he hates Trump. Today was good for democrats, so he was unhappy.
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# ? Sep 26, 2019 03:16 |
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I’m so upset that this complaint isn’t public.
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# ? Sep 26, 2019 03:17 |
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The Republicans have already openly stated that they will not convict Donald regardless of how illegal his actions are, so the Democrats will simply need to rake him and his fellow GOP conspirators over the coals in the public eye. Moscow Mitch is going to try to wrap this up as quickly as possible, because the reality is that the longer these inquiries go on the more illegal activities they're going to uncover, and the worse it will look when the Republicans ignore it all for their own benefit.
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# ? Sep 26, 2019 03:19 |
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https://twitter.com/michaelcrowley/status/1177038787148468225?s=21
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# ? Sep 26, 2019 03:19 |
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Ogmius815 posted:I’m so upset that this complaint isn’t public. To be fair, it probably has something like "our mole Slavov in the Ukrainian government, corroborated some conversation about X" in it which really needs to not be released.
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# ? Sep 26, 2019 03:19 |
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Ogmius815 posted:I’m so upset that this complaint isn’t public. Same. Everyone who's seen the report has come away from it looking like they just stared into the reactor core at Chernobyl, it's apparently that hosed up.
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# ? Sep 26, 2019 03:19 |
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Rex-Goliath posted:Right after this story dropped someone said to give it three days for the Republicans to get their ducks in a row. I'm giving it until Friday for them to come out with a unified deflection of some sort. If we don't have anything by Monday then that will be really telling.
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# ? Sep 26, 2019 03:19 |
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Ogmius815 posted:I’m so upset that this complaint isn’t public. It’ll be given to the entirety of congress in a week or two and the leaks will be massive.
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# ? Sep 26, 2019 03:20 |
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Sundae posted:I'm hoping for stroking out on the toilet with his last tweet being PRESIDENTIAL HARASSMENT, but you do you. Well yeah, obviously.
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# ? Sep 26, 2019 03:21 |
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Well, uh, when does the public get to know?
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# ? Sep 26, 2019 03:22 |
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skylined! posted:It’ll be given to the entirety of congress in a week or two and the leaks will be massive. I hope so. It's fairly clear that the initial stage of each of Trump's scandals has the most opportunity for making an impression on the public.
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# ? Sep 26, 2019 03:22 |
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https://twitter.com/PeteMundo/status/1177017700968751110 https://twitter.com/HNSeal2/status/1177040240739061762
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# ? Sep 26, 2019 03:22 |
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RandomBlue posted:Yeah, I'm expecting him not to be removed but I've got a little hope. I think this hurts his 2020 chances regardless. Pretty sure that right now his 2020 chances look like burnt toast shoved into the disposal with a loud, "gently caress, how did I do that?!"
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# ? Sep 26, 2019 03:22 |
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Ogmius815 posted:I’m so upset that this complaint isn’t public. It will be.
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# ? Sep 26, 2019 03:23 |
SpaceDrake posted:The thing is, I feel like this relates to what other goons were talking about w/r/t Mueller; the investigation for Mueller took for-e-ver, banged on the same points over and over, summarizing it took ages and new developments required following the convoluted thing from the start, et cetera.The Nixon hearings were the same way in that they took ages to fully unravel and there was all the fighting over getting the tapes, chasing down corroboration, etc. Even Billy C's thing was annoying because it got so raunchy and relied a lot on "what did he say or not say". I don't disagree with any of this, but it does make me kinda mad to think that Trump has been right all along by making it all about Ratings
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# ? Sep 26, 2019 03:24 |
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All the reporting I've read so far say that the other committees investigating other crimes are going to keep on trucking, but a consensus may be forming around sending articles of impeachment narrowly focused on Ukraine. There's nothing stopping the House from submitting additional articles of impeachment, but I feel like it's going to be a one- time thing. While putting Trump on trial multiple times going into the election would be hilarious, I think it would be counterproductive for removing him and other Republicans from office. But shooting your shot so soon has the potential for letting impeachment fade from public consciousness before it can affect the Senate races. Hrm.
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# ? Sep 26, 2019 03:26 |
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https://twitter.com/LarryNoble_DC/status/1176980507667652608?s=09
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