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It looks like Merriam-Webster is trolling the impeachment drama, one word at a time Merriam-Webster smells blood! 
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Sep 27, 2019 18:19
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mcmagic posted:What do you mean by hosed? If they are confident they’re doing a great job of hiding it.
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Sep 27, 2019 18:19
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mcmagic posted:She's completely bungling the political strategy as usual. Instead of hearings and new dirt on Trump dominating the news for the next year she wants to get it over quickly.... For what? To pass more bills Mitch McConnell will shred? Trump should be taking a beating like he is this week for the next year and she doesn't seem to want that. The point is to force Republican Senators to vote on it soon so that Gardner, Tillis, Collins and McSally all have to defend their choice to their voters. She might play it differently if support for impeachment continues to grow, but we're in a very different world than we were 4 days ago, and "stringing it out" may not actually be the best strategy.
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Sep 27, 2019 18:20
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Mahoning posted:And honestly, Trump kinda ran on a populist anti-war platform which honestly probably got him a non-zero number of votes from people who knew Hillary was a war hawk. So there’s at least a portion of his base that is anti-war and “America first!” that would be turned off by him starting a war. Ancedotal, but I know of several people first hand who voted for Trump and defend it with the "Donald the Dove, Hillary the Hawk" narrative. There were people on this very forum arguing that narrative as well.
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Sep 27, 2019 18:20
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Rent-A-Cop posted:She is afraid that the Republicans will do it to her because she's crooked as poo poo. She's only crooked as in typical Washington crooked. The main issue is that she's from a different political era which makes her incompetent politically and completely unsuited to the historical moment. She has no idea what she's up against and literally no strategy to win other than short term holds. theflyingorc posted:Yeah, I can see how moving quickly over the last 4-5 days has been disastrous for them, u got it Your logic here makes no sense. D's are politically winning this week (through nothing they themselves did) and Pelosi is trying to make this week's story as short as possible. How could that possibly be a good idea? Your second point makes even less sense. Make them take the vote as close to the election as possible!!!! (If there even is a vote) mcmagic fucked around with this message at 18:23 on Sep 27, 2019 |
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Sep 27, 2019 18:20
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mcmagic posted:She's completely bungling the political strategy as usual. Instead of hearings and new dirt on Trump dominating the news for the next year she wants to get it over quickly.... For what? To pass more bills Mitch McConnell will shred? Trump should be taking a beating like he is this week for the next year and she doesn't seem to want that. If you think that the goal is removal or forcing Trump to resign, then focusing on a narrow "this is obviously illegal" band is more sensible than dragging every little thing out. Like Ukraine might not be the most impeachable thing this administration has done. But it's easily the least defensible, and sufficient grounds on its own. ETA: That's if the goal is removal. Dragging every misdeed out is almost certainly better from a perspective accepting that removal won't happen. Rosalie_A fucked around with this message at 18:24 on Sep 27, 2019 |
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Sep 27, 2019 18:22
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Trasson posted:If you think that the goal is removal or forcing Trump to resign, then focusing on a narrow "this is obviously illegal" band is more sensible than dragging every little thing out. If she thinks he's getting removed or resigning she's even more of an incompetent moron than I thought she was.
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Sep 27, 2019 18:23
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Solaris 2.0 posted:Ancedotal, but I know of several people first hand who voted for Trump and defend it with the "Donald the Dove, Hillary the Hawk" narrative. They might still have been right though, Trump is incredibly cowardly and far too stupid to take the steps required to start a war. Hillary probably would have used our Military more.
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Sep 27, 2019 18:23
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hidden_msg posted:Please tell me there is something preventing us from going to war while the president is actively being investigated. I can't do that, Dave.
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Sep 27, 2019 18:24
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Trump’s insurance policy against impeachment would be making Pence an obvious accomplice. The likelihood that you would get 18 Republican Senators to vote to put Pelosi in the White House is low. If Pence was one of the main actors in this impeachment stuff and Trump immediately throws him under the bus, then the Government reaches an impasse.
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Sep 27, 2019 18:24
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ryde posted:Americans are dumb and war did wonders for Bush's approval ratings in the short term, so I fully suspect the R's to rush headlong into military action. This would be misunderstanding their constituency on a fundamental level. They don't want an external war with external enemies. They want an internal war on what they view as internal enemies. A war wouldn't achieve the results that they want. The American people are war weary.
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Sep 27, 2019 18:25
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mcmagic posted:If she thinks he's getting removed or resigning she's even more of an incompetent moron than I thought she was. I added this in an edit, but I don't really disagree. Though there's a small part of me that hopes anyway.
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Sep 27, 2019 18:25
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Trasson posted:
It's also the easiest to explain.
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Sep 27, 2019 18:25
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mcmagic posted:If she thinks he's getting removed or resigning she's even more of an incompetent moron than I thought she was. She doesn’t think that she can convince the Senate, which is why she wants to get Senate Rs on record saying that this is okay as soon as possible.
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Sep 27, 2019 18:25
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skylined! posted:I have some bad news OUTSTANDING! Because Trump is exactly the kind of idiot that will try to start multiple crisis to pump up his ratings without having any strategy for when he gets over his head other than to point fingers. 
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Sep 27, 2019 18:26
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She just now qualified for the debate in October. She did not want to get wrecked for being the only Democrat on stage opposing impeachment. Her likely primary challenger was also beating her over the head with it.
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Sep 27, 2019 18:26
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mcmagic posted:She's only crooked as in typical Washington crooked.
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Sep 27, 2019 18:26
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mdemone posted:I can't do that, Dave. I legit chuckled.
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Sep 27, 2019 18:27
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Stereotype posted:She doesn’t think that she can convince the Senate, which is why she wants to get Senate Rs on record saying that this is okay as soon as possible. Again, WHY as soon as possible? Make them take that vote as close to the election as possible if a vote even happens.
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Sep 27, 2019 18:27
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Ice Phisherman posted:This would be misunderstanding their constituency on a fundamental level. They don't want an external war with external enemies. They want an internal war on what they view as internal enemies. Extending on that, there was enough cause for war with the bombings in Saudi Arabia and attacks on takers in the Gulf. If Trump didn’t start a war then, either in Iran or Yemen, he’s not going to start a war against Syria.
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Sep 27, 2019 18:27
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It is a good idea to not drag anything else into this guys. Americans are stupid and as soon as you mention another topic their brains will run out of space, explode, and they’ll give up and revert to assuming this is some crazy political stunt that isn’t real. I mean gently caress, Americans think BLM has too many demands even though it only has one.
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Sep 27, 2019 18:28
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mcmagic posted:Again, WHY as soon as possible? Make them take that vote as close to the election as possible if a vote even happens. To be fair, narrow and swift in Congressional investigation land might still be ten plus months.
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Sep 27, 2019 18:29
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Lote posted:Trump’s insurance policy against impeachment would be making Pence an obvious accomplice. The likelihood that you would get 18 Republican Senators to vote to put Pelosi in the White House is low. If Pence was one of the main actors in this impeachment stuff and Trump immediately throws him under the bus, then the Government reaches an impasse. The GOP would not ever be forced into a "both or nothing" situation. Pence is quite obviously far less culpible to anything Trump has done. In this highly unlikely scenario, they would throw out Trump and kiss Pence's ring. Trump's true leverage is an entire year of storming through the country into every red state demanding that the MAGA chuds torch every Republican who betrayed him, Trump would no longer care if the Dems won everything.
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Sep 27, 2019 18:29
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We're down to 12 https://thehill.com/homenews/house/463222-here-are-the-house-democrats-who-arent-backing-trump-impeachment-inquiry 223 Democrats agree with the inquiry. 218 are needed for formal impeachment. (well, 217 + Amash, I guess) Only 12 haven't said they supported, and the majority of those people haven't said anything.
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Sep 27, 2019 18:30
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How are you weird nerds talking about Hillary Clinton and Nancy Pelosi bad at a time like this? Like it's absolutely a new level of broke brain. Trump is simultaneously writing on the walls with poop trying to crash the economy and trying to start a war in Syria Iran and anywhere else to do anything and y'all are arguing that Nancy Pelosi exists and Hillary Clinton would have started more wars.
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Sep 27, 2019 18:30
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Trasson posted:To be fair, narrow and swift in Congressional investigation land might still be ten plus months. They are talking about a vote before Thanksgiving...
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Sep 27, 2019 18:30
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mcmagic posted:Again, WHY as soon as possible? Make them take that vote as close to the election as possible if a vote even happens. Because 70% of the country will assume that all presidents have asked foreign nations for political dirt on their opponents in 9 months if they don’t make a point of it right now. At least if they vote soon Americans will remember something vaguely negative like “Rs support Trump’s corruption”
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Sep 27, 2019 18:31
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mcmagic posted:They are talking about a vote before Thanksgiving... they might. mostly what i hear is December or january/February.
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Sep 27, 2019 18:31
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Rent-A-Cop posted:Which is still illegal, and she doesn't have enough friends left to win that argument if she ends up in the wrong side of a bunch of disgruntled CHUD congressmen. Half of her own caucus loving hates her, and the other half would gladly slide the knife in for a chance at her job. Pelosi is beyond useless, but what exactly has she done that's illegal? Any specific allegations?
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Sep 27, 2019 18:32
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mcmagic posted:Again, WHY as soon as possible? Make them take that vote as close to the election as possible if a vote even happens. The voters would get tired and bored, and go "ugh, we GET IT already. Wrap this up please." The voters were interested in Mueller's investigation for 5-6 months or so.
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Sep 27, 2019 18:33
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Is there anything stopping the Democrats from voting on Articles of Impeachment piecemeal? It's just a majority vote, right? Like they could have hearings on Ukraine and pass Articles of Impeachment to the Senate while still continuing other inquiries and potentially other Articles down the line and rationalize it with wanting to be thorough. Sure, they'd likely get criticized by Republicans and it'd be easier to portray it as a fishing expedition, but GOP gonna GOP anyway
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Sep 27, 2019 18:33
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hidden_msg posted:OUTSTANDING! Because Trump is exactly the kind of idiot that will try to start multiple crisis to pump up his ratings without having any strategy for when he gets over his head other than to point fingers. I actually think his mental pathology will inhibit him from going to war. I don't think he can stand the possibility of losing a military conflict, so he'll avoid it altogether. He's a bully. He will issue some statement about Assad, threaten something or have Pompeo do it on his behalf, and not do anything.
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Sep 27, 2019 18:34
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Rigel posted:The voters would get tired and bored, and go "ugh, we GET IT already. Wrap this up please." The voters were interested in Mueller's investigation for 5-6 months or so. mueller's investigation was behind closed doors with almost no leaks.
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Sep 27, 2019 18:34
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Stereotype posted:Because 70% of the country will assume that all presidents have asked foreign nations for political dirt on their opponents in 9 months if they don’t make a point of it right now. Yeah I think this analysis is 100% wrong. There is clearly a cover up going on in the white house and clearly more illegal activity going on that would drip out in a real investigation and that would be damaging to Trump. And you still haven't answered why the “Rs support Trump’s corruption” headlines shouldn't be as close to the election as possible.
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Sep 27, 2019 18:35
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twice burned ice posted:Pelosi is beyond useless, but what exactly has she done that's illegal? Any specific allegations? I don't really care if she's not doing anything illegal. What I care about is that it took someone from the CIA to pull the trigger on this rather than her doing her loving job and launching impeachment inquiries for Trump's many, MANY crimes in office and out. If she can't do her job she shouldn't be speaker. If she has to be dragged and shamed into doing her job she shouldn't be speaker. She's literally a Reagan democrat and needs to gently caress off forever.
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Sep 27, 2019 18:35
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mcmagic posted:They are talking about a vote before Thanksgiving... That puts it in the timeframe where impeachment would have the country’s undivided attention. Once you push it into primary season, it becomes a complete shitshow where people are gonna want to tune out politics altogether. I’m not sure I agree with the strategy or not. But I can certainly understand that reasoning.
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Sep 27, 2019 18:35
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bird cooch posted:How are you weird nerds talking about Hillary Clinton and Nancy Pelosi bad at a time like this? A turnip could've accomplished what pelosi did. She didn't do anything and she had to be dragged kicking and screaming into doing the bare minimum. the takeaway from this episode isn't 'pelosi, not bad??' it's 'hold your loving politicians feet to the fire if you want them to do even the basics of their constitutionally mandated job'
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Sep 27, 2019 18:35
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mcmagic posted:Yeah I think this analysis is 100% wrong. There is clearly a cover up going on in the white house and clearly more illegal activity going on that would drip out in a real investigation and that would be damaging to Trump. and the dems are gonna use the those crimes to add on to impeachment because its part of the trail.
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Sep 27, 2019 18:36
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With the Democrats finally doing what so many people angrily demanded they do, the time has come to once again shift the goalposts and yell "YOU'RE DOING IT WRONG" lest they ever admit the Dems are in fact, not bad.
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Sep 27, 2019 18:36
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negativeneil posted:Is there anything stopping the Democrats from voting on Articles of Impeachment piecemeal? It's just a majority vote, right? Like they could have hearings on Ukraine and pass Articles of Impeachment to the Senate while still continuing other inquiries and potentially other Articles down the line and rationalize it with wanting to be thorough. Sure, they'd likely get criticized by Republicans and it'd be easier to portray it as a fishing expedition, but GOP gonna GOP anyway I've got to imagine that gives McConnell an easy out of "i'm waiting until all the impeachments happen before we bring it to the Senate" and then he will just claim that he isn't sure if the house is done yet or not
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